1 Nov
2017
1 Nov
'17
2:21 a.m.
Hi,
We are starting a mesh in Paris and we are looking for hardware
recommendations. We have been looking at the Ubiquity devices so far. Do
you have any other brand to recommend ?
Which antennas/device would you recommend for the following scenarios
(each scenario being independent):
* Outdoor Long-range connection (>1km) between two devices with Line of
Sight
* Outdoor Area covering: one device (AP) at high altitude proving access
to multiple end-points in a square/park/building
What do you usually use the following for:
* Picostation
* NanoBean
* NanoStation
Have you ever played with the Unify Mesh hardware ?
Thank you,
Keoma
1 Nov
1 Nov
4:52 a.m.
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 2:21 AM, keoma <keoma(a)kbl.netlib.re> wrote:
Hi,
We are starting a mesh in Paris and we are looking for hardware
recommendations.
Cool! There are many more mesh networks in Europe so you may want to ask
some of the people from e.g. Guifi about what's available and affordable in
Europe.
We have been looking at the Ubiquity devices so far.
Do
you have any other brand to recommend ?
If you are looking for OpenWRT/LEDE support then that limits you quite a
bit, especially since new versions of Ubiquiti AirOS prevent reflashing
(though you should be able to bypass this). There is also limited support
for 802.11ac devices. If you don't care about running open source on these
devices then Ubiquiti AirMax 802.11ac stuff is great for the price. You
might also want to look at the Ubiquiti AirFiber stuff for backhaul and
then there is Mikrotik and Mimosa. Alpha networks also has some outdoor
stuff but I haven't tried any of it:
http://www.alfa.com.tw/product_category.php?pc=1
Which antennas/device would you recommend for the
following scenarios
(each scenario being independent):
* Outdoor Long-range connection (>1km) between two devices with Line of
Sight
Anything very directional, e.g. NanoBridge or NanoBeam or anything with a
dish. There are some affordable 60 GHz stuff hitting the market soon but
that is not really usable above 1 km range as far as I understand.
* Outdoor Area covering: one device (AP) at high
altitude proving access
to multiple end-points in a square/park/building
You will want TDMA so probably not a good idea to run OpenWRT/LEDE on these
as I don't think there are any drivers with stable TDMA support yet (unless
I missed something). Use a device with a high-gain sector antenna on 5 GHz
(assuming line of sight) and aim a bunch of highly directional devices like
NanoBeams at it.
Be careful if using Ubiquiti gear with the official firmware as you cannot
just mix and match devices freely. Make sure the two devices you want to
link are compatible.
What do you usually use the following for:
* Picostation
We don't really use these anymore.
* NanoBean
Directional links over a few miles or less.
* NanoStation
Point to multipoint with only a few nodes and over shorter distances. Also
to give access to devices in public areas like parks by placing them in
windows (usually 2.4 GHz model).
Have you ever played with the Unify Mesh hardware ?
I haven't personally.
Thank you,
Keoma
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4:56 a.m.
Thank you very much for the answer. I will contact Guify and Freifunk
shortly.
Have a nice day !
On 01/11/2017 12:52, Marc Juul wrote:
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 2:21 AM, keoma <keoma(a)kbl.netlib.re
<mailto:keoma@kbl.netlib.re>> wrote:
Hi,
We are starting a mesh in Paris and we are looking for hardware
recommendations.
Cool! There are many more mesh networks in Europe so you may want to ask
some of the people from e.g. Guifi about what's available and affordable
in Europe.
We have been looking at the Ubiquity devices so far. Do
you have any other brand to recommend ?
If you are looking for OpenWRT/LEDE support then that limits you quite a
bit, especially since new versions of Ubiquiti AirOS prevent reflashing
(though you should be able to bypass this). There is also limited
support for 802.11ac devices. If you don't care about running open
source on these devices then Ubiquiti AirMax 802.11ac stuff is great for
the price. You might also want to look at the Ubiquiti AirFiber stuff
for backhaul and then there is Mikrotik and Mimosa. Alpha networks also
has some outdoor stuff but I haven't tried any of it:
http://www.alfa.com.tw/product_category.php?pc=1
Which antennas/device would you recommend for the following scenarios
(each scenario being independent):
* Outdoor Long-range connection (>1km) between two devices with Line of
Sight
Anything very directional, e.g. NanoBridge or NanoBeam or anything with
a dish. There are some affordable 60 GHz stuff hitting the market soon
but that is not really usable above 1 km range as far as I understand.
* Outdoor Area covering: one device (AP) at high altitude proving access
to multiple end-points in a square/park/building
You will want TDMA so probably not a good idea to run OpenWRT/LEDE on
these as I don't think there are any drivers with stable TDMA support
yet (unless I missed something). Use a device with a high-gain sector
antenna on 5 GHz (assuming line of sight) and aim a bunch of highly
directional devices like NanoBeams at it.
Be careful if using Ubiquiti gear with the official firmware as you
cannot just mix and match devices freely. Make sure the two devices you
want to link are compatible.
What do you usually use the following for:
* Picostation
We don't really use these anymore.
* NanoBean
Directional links over a few miles or less.
* NanoStation
Point to multipoint with only a few nodes and over shorter distances.
Also to give access to devices in public areas like parks by placing
them in windows (usually 2.4 GHz model).
Have you ever played with the Unify Mesh hardware ?
I haven't personally.
Thank you,
Keoma
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2 Nov
2 Nov
6:58 a.m.
Hi,
There are a wide range of manufacturers, Ubiquiti is known as the most
affordable option. Many people find that Cambium is more reliable, but
there are others as well, some of which Marc has mentioned. For
point-to-multipoint setups you will generally have the easiest time buying
the base unit and all the CPE's (customer premise equipment) from the same
manufacturer. I've also heard good things about IgniteNet, although they
are not as well known as some of the others.
I think it's not a great idea to try to flash your long range transmitters,
as the manufacturer firmware often has great features and is very heavily
tested. Instead, have the equipment with the custom firmware be a
standardized model of linux router. We have a bunch of MyNnet n600's at
Sudomesh, although we also still flash the long range hardware. Some
manufacturers also have their own physical layer protocols which work
better for specific use cases than WiFi. I wish that all manufacturers
committed all firmware improvements to OpenWRT, but that's not what they do
and you shouldn't let it slow down your network.
I would also recommend you seek out advice from wireless ISP operators for
advice in addition to community mesh networks. Wireless ISPs are active all
over the world and serve many millions of users. The vast majority of
wireless equipment out there is operated by wireless ISPs. I can add you to
a group on Facebook (called "WISP Talk") where you can ask these questions
to a few hundred independent American wireless ISPs. Message me off list to
coordinate. I'm not a huge fan of Facebook, but that's where this group is.
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 4:21 AM, keoma <keoma(a)kbl.netlib.re> wrote:
Hi,
We are starting a mesh in Paris and we are looking for hardware
recommendations. We have been looking at the Ubiquity devices so far. Do
you have any other brand to recommend ?
Which antennas/device would you recommend for the following scenarios
(each scenario being independent):
* Outdoor Long-range connection (>1km) between two devices with Line of
Sight
* Outdoor Area covering: one device (AP) at high altitude proving access
to multiple end-points in a square/park/building
What do you usually use the following for:
* Picostation
* NanoBean
* NanoStation
Have you ever played with the Unify Mesh hardware ?
Thank you,
Keoma
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