Here are the SudoMesh meeting minutes from Tues, 12 June 2018.
Viewable online here:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/12_June_2018
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https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/12_June_2018)
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'''People's Open Network Weekly Meeting - 12 June 2018
7:30pm-9pm'''
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https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy
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https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy)
=== Agenda ===
* Introductions and Meeting Roles (10 mins)
* Check in on previous action items (5 mins)
* Updates & Reportbacks (20 mins)
* Next Sunday (5 mins)
* Discussion: Re-cap from meeting with lawyer (15 mins)
* Action Items (5 mins)
* Breakout Groups
== Pre-Meeting ==
* Detroit: RocketFiber does not donate bandwidth ($600/mo $400 for bandwidth and $200 for
roof rental) - Donated connectivity, prolly not if we were a for-profit - 123net is
donating bandwidth and also donating an IP block
** Right now, pay $600/mo for bandwidth - airfiber between 2 bui;ldings - $200 for roof,
$400 for internet
** Dan Gilbert "shadow mayor" of detroit, owner of cavaliers, owns many of the
big buildings in =town
** services within the communities?
=== Introductions ===
Introduce yourself: Name; Preferred Pronoun; Icebreaker Response; BRIEF Announcements
* Icebreaker question: favorite summer food
* uri heru house - boston cooler, ginger ale + ice cream, blended fluffy
* mai - she/her/they/them - japanese ice dish, green tea and whatnot on it
** We sent the specs for Storquest for the mount on their building on Friday. We also
presented the possibility of listing them as a "community partner" if they would
be open to negotiating the rental fee down or away entirely.
* eve - pistachio ice cream
* sierk - no english name for it, salad w/ iceberg lettuce, romaine lettuce, leek, onion,
and raw herring. yesterday i had poke nachos.
* robb - i like corned beef. i love corned beef.
* marc - he/him. i like mango.
* jenny - she/her. ahi nachos were good. cold things are good. dot icecream.
** Asked similar questions of LOLspace. Sent them a proposal for the mount. Can reuse for
future contact w/ consensus-based orgs.
** They supposedly met last week. I saw people active on the doc, but haven't heard
anything back yet. I think it's a really busy time for them.
* ben - he/they - really like blueberries. growing up in mississippi we just had them
around. go out and eat unlimited blueberries.
* jehan - he/him - i guess pistachio ice cream is probably good. the one with the dots
sounds good too.
* benny - he/him - The other day, I had a homemade granita that was delicious. I would eat
that again.
** Next week I'm going to start teaching kinda parttime in the mornings at Mission
Bit. They're a nonprofit that does afterschool web programming classes for high school
students at no cost.
** I'm hoping that I'm not totally exhausted every day and will keep showing up to
meetings.
* blake - I like New Orleans style (with cream) snow cones. If you know where I can get a
snow cone in the bay, let me know.
* angela - I love watermelon in the summer.
* max - Hotdogs!
** I brought this basket of stuff! Hardhats, construction vests, a small drill, etc. Be
sure to scuff up your new hardhat in advance so folks know you're legit.
=== Meeting Roles ===
* Facilitator/s: Blake
* Stacktaker: Mai
* Timekeeper: Jenny
* Notetaker/s: Ben, Benny
** URL of this pad:
https://peoplesopen.net/notes (
https://peoplesopen.net/notes)
== Check in on previous action items ==
Check previous meeting minutes at
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Minutes
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https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Minutes) and past action items below:
* schedule mozilla hackathon
* scrounge up things to add to newsletter (everyone)
* meet in a group and draft a security FAQ / put security info on the FAQ on the website
(benny + ?)
** ben - this is something I'm also trying to address in my current wiki updating
campaign. hmu?
== Hackathon updates ==
* Google doc with draft:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jaMwjvCEiNETpSZRHJlmGPBWgi6vErHHTNoXVBO…
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jaMwjvCEiNETpSZRHJlmGPBWgi6vErHHTNoXVBO…)
** benny - mai + jenny + others? wrote script for video. need to make video.
** ben -
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Category:Stale
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https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Category:Stale) is underway now. Contributions to fix these
pages are greatly appreciated, but especially
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Network_Topology
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https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Network_Topology) and
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Technical_Overview
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https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Technical_Overview)
** Mai - we wrote a bunch, most of the questions are the same as last time
== Updates & Reportbacks ==
=== Bugs/Technical ===
Priority bugs we need help with are located at:
http://peoplesopen.net/helpwanted
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http://peoplesopen.net/helpwanted) - For a high-level overview of recent Github activity,
see the Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/r9l5ouQ4/3b2eecd83bb9e7a57a339cf1ee038288/sudo-…
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https://trello.com/invite/b/r9l5ouQ4/3b2eecd83bb9e7a57a339cf1ee038288/sudo-…)
* Mary Jo + Terry's internet is down — does it have to do with recent exit node
upgrades?
** ben - I can't ping Chuck's place from either exit node (19:51:41 12/06/2018)
*** I just hit Chuck up via RocketChat and email (CC'd Mai)
=== Node Mounts & Outreach ===
Node Mounts Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/DtzngKaM/49e1c21fc9da199fcdeceb8623b5117a/node-…
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https://trello.com/invite/b/DtzngKaM/49e1c21fc9da199fcdeceb8623b5117a/node-…)
* Update from Archive Tower mount
** jenny: sent e-mail to brewster + jonah, who said pief's not really involved
anymore. there is going to be activity on the tower soon, so it might be a good time to
install stuff. richmond open wifi? they want to come to a meeting and figure something out
with us. they also want to be able to turn off their services w/o repercussions. their
happy to say that we're working together.
* LolSpace
** waiting to hear back. seems to be a busy time.
=== Communications & Events ===
Comms Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/f3ugMPNU/94033ee6c2cef93fc1b1637b727c902a/sudo-…
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https://trello.com/invite/b/f3ugMPNU/94033ee6c2cef93fc1b1637b727c902a/sudo-…)
// Events Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/Y3XfDK85/2b6fcb4fa92788609692a53a96fb4614/peopl…
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https://trello.com/invite/b/Y3XfDK85/2b6fcb4fa92788609692a53a96fb4614/peopl…)
* Send things for newsletter
=== Internal Logistics / Finance ===
Internal Logistics & Bureaucracy Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/LzVQlW3X/1bb8bd543c8633688175365d2554c2c2/inter…
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https://trello.com/invite/b/LzVQlW3X/1bb8bd543c8633688175365d2554c2c2/inter…)
* See our notes from meeting with lawyer:
== Next Sunday ==
=== Node Mount ===
We try to arrange a rooftop node mount every Sunday afternoon. Ongoing spreadsheet is
located at:
https://peoplesopen.net/sundays (
https://peoplesopen.net/sundays)
* Next Sunday's mount:
** ~~ben - propose we work on WINS~~ nevermind cryptoparty happening
=== Office Hours ===
We host office hours every Sunday from 1-2pm in Sudo Room. To sign up for a shift, fill in
your name here:
https://ethercalc.org/byoi_office_hours
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https://ethercalc.org/byoi_office_hours)
* Next Sunday's volunteer:
* Notes from this past Sunday's session:
== Discussion: Meeting with Jesse ==
* we went around the table and cehcked what kinds of questions we had:
** worker owned coop vs. member/consumer owned coop
** when to have separate legal entitites vs. one legal entity
* we took take-away notes:
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* max: don't think it's a good idea to start paying people to do mesh work. seems
like you could start burning people who have already put in a lot of effort and who are
not going to get paid. I wanted to get into this as a fun thing to do, not as a second
job.
*mai: one of the things jessie clarified for us. there's different things that need to
be done: making the firmware, updating it, going out and mounting gear on roofs. sudo mesh
has already been very open. if there's people in the community that feel like
something needs to be done there's nothing stopping them from going to start a worker
owned coop or similar. it definitely makes it more exclusive if it's volunteer based
because it excludes people who don't have lots of free time to work on it. what jessie
recommended is retaining the sudo mesh organization and then whoever is interested can
create a different spinoff entity (or entitites) - especially for different types of
liability (eg; installing, running a VPN, etc) - and lots of different types of
skills/interest levels. it seems like there's enough interest from people in the group
that want to build some kind of spin-off organization (like for worker co-operative) that
would be willing to do work for peoples open
this meeting really clarified
* max: i used to work in an observatory, where there were paid staff that would clean the
bathrooms, and volunteers would teach kids. then some volunteers started getting paid, and
the rest of the volunteers disappeared. i don't see how we can pay people w/ just a
10k grant.
* ben: re: convo with jesse - compartmentalization of things was also discussed. no one in
the group has to make the decision to make a group / org / worker coop. nothing to stop
people from organizing to get people online, or start another 501c3, etc - nothing
preventing a plurality of entities existing. eg; an org dedicated to the backbone (eg
working with paxio) - we can have many of those - not a decision task of sudo mesh but
rather the decentralized nature of the mesh itself encourages it. Discussion with Jesse
included how can we leverage this to reduce our liability, increase our resiliency, and
give ourselves more options moving forward.
* jenny: along those same lines. one of the educational services that sudo mesh can
provide in staying as a fully volunteer organization is how to build out coops or
non-profits and documenting how to build coalitions around building out e.g. a bayt area
wide network. documenting different organizational models / entity structures /
organizational sustainability.
* jehan: i think the core characteristic of a mesh is that people own their own hardware.
so it makes a lot of sense that there would be professionals that know how to service the
hardware. i don't know how much it needs to be in the official venue of sudomesh, but
at the same time there are a lot of different related projects that people bring to the
group auxiliary (garden mesh)
* marc: how we're talking about structuring is just recapitlating how the internet
works already in practice - has been twisted in this weird corporate way in the US, but
other orgs (eg Guifi) already had this model and are a good example. Why we separated the
network from the nonprofit - on advice from wlan-slovenia to allow other non- or
for-profits to form and join / extend the network.
* benny: Jesse cited other instances of all-volunteer nonprofits who started paying people
and failed. Also mentioned Riseup as an org that grew to a size that they simply had to
start paying people
* mai: non profit has a public purpose, and everything it does have to meet that purpose.
the non-profit can apply for funding to support different projects that align with their
public purpose goals. whereas the worker coop can do things specifically for its workers.
how to have these two models work together, and what the pros and cons are, is something I
think we should think about. how to get them to work together beneficially.
* sierk: meeting wasn't about how we start paying people - rather, if we do, pros and
cons of different strategies. decision would be made in a convo with this group. one
takeaway is that a worker coop is not always the solution, can sometimes be better as an
llc. since our mission is specific to educational activities. as a non-profit, we can
provide recommended business models or ways of working with our materials or contracting
with us that we would support.
** jenny - can actually provide paid services and even services outside the scope - just
capped at a certain %age of income and may have to pay Unrelated Business Income Tax
* robb - we should figure out our scope - do we want to provide for Oakland, CA, the USA?
Can we provide a roadmap for what will get us there?
** Seemed like he felt strongly from separating the educational aspect from the
infrastructure aspect
** Had a lot to say about being a nonprofit and paying people / maintaining
infrastructure. Felt like a worker coop might be riskier / more unknowns.
* eve - does everyone know about the east bay broadband consortium?
** jenny - seemed like it was maybe out of date? i contacted them a while ago fairly
formally, but I don't think they responded. but that was a while ago.
** jenny - two last bullet points from jesse meeting -- might want to minimize the
sudomesh board to 3 people with no assets, and change model to use a membership governance
structure. the members can vote to remove the board at any time (they're like a puppet
board that's just there to be liable). and that we should probably get officers
liability insurance asap.
** ben - next steps for me were going to be to write up what one possible worker coop or
other entity might really look like and how it would interact with sudomesh. have a more
concrete strategy for what we would do as an organization, for instance, we could talk
about what kinds of insurance sudomesh wants to have, etc.
** sierk - maybe after we get this grant in, let's plan a barbecue and chat about this
more! i definitely want to hear more from max, and I think leslie too had some
reservations. thinking we should hang out and chat more and get on the same page.
** jenny - also, action item: talk to an OSHA consultant for an hour or two. We shoulid do
that anyway. Maybe someone in the community would do it pro bono; I wouldn't mind
paying someone, either.
*** jehan - i used to do construction and we did not abide by the OSHA rules, but we
should here!
** robb - are we putting the cart ahead of the horse? i.e. what if we don't get the
grant money.
** sierk - yeah but we might have another grant coming up in three months. we want to be
on the same page before the money is there. then people really might walk away because
they're upset. i think we can be on the same page, but im not sure if we are right
now.
** mai - i think there's a lot of potential to do crowdfunding. i don't think
it's just going ot be grant money dropped on us. there's a lot of people in
silicion valley who make al ot of money and realize how broken the internet is, and they
want to be involved in a project to fix it. and they want to be involved is to throw money
at it. and if we can be there to accept that, it could be good. i think we can't just
wait for a grant--there's a lot of interest in this project, there's a lot of
people that want to be involved. fundraising isn't just about taking people's
money, it's about finding ways to help people be involved in something they believe
in. the narrative about how we're doing it, our organizational structure, etc. is tied
to how we raise money.
** jehan - monkey brains did a kickstart. they were offering their existing ISP service,
but in a kickstarter format. they definitely pulled that off.
** sierk - one of the things in the mozilla thing that seemed is important is being open
with our code and resources, as well as the code of conduct. not necessarily the content,
but that a code exists, so that if they run into an issue, they know where to go. i heard
from jenny that we adopted the sacred space policy from the omni. would be good if we have
something. treat people w/ respect, no racism, bullying. a place where people can
anonymously report behavior. maybe next week we can decide on a temporary formulation of
that. if people want to help out making a proposal we could do that on saturday or
sunday.
** blake - id be open if you just choose one yourself and then we can ammend it next
week.
** sierk - i already linked one standard one. maybe we can just add a link somewhere.
it's not on our wiki or our website.
** ben: temperature check--would people be okay with asking on social media what people
would want to see in a community network? what they're interested in, etc.? blog
posts.
== Accessibility / Code / Code of Conducts / Contributer Files etc ==
via Sierk:
* Assuming we have no "code of conduct" yet, I couldn't find one on our wiki
nor website. I (=Sierk) propose to adopt a "code of conduct" for contributors to
Sudo Mesh projects.
A version that is commonly used by open source communities (including by Mozilla for
example) is the "Contributor Covenant".
We could use it as-is, adapt it to our missions/values, but we could also write our own.
UPDATE: According to Jenny, Sudo Mesh already adopted Omni's Statement of Solidarity,
if this is sufficient as code of conduct***, this proposal might turn out to be
superflucious.
Instead, the proposal would be to adding references/links, to what we already adopted, on
our website and in the README files in our git repos, etc.
(**what about, for example, about the Safer Space Policy, did we adopt those also? do we
want/need to adopt that or something like that?)
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* Contributor Covenant:
https://www.contribu (
https://www.contribu)
tor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct
* Omni's Statement of Solidarity:
https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Founding_Document#Statement_of_Solidarity
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https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Founding_Document#Statement_of_Solidarity)
* Omni's Safer Space Policy:
https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy
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https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy)
* '''Consenso?'''
** General consenso (Mai, Jenny, Ben, others..?)
*
https://github.com/sudomesh/codeofconduct (
https://github.com/sudomesh/codeofconduct)
exists now! Hack away!
== Action Items ==
* meet in a group and draft a security FAQ / put security info on the FAQ on the website
(benny + ?)
== Breakout Groups ==
At the end of the meeting, break out into small groups to hack on or discuss specific
topics.
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== Last Meeting Notes ==
* link to previous meeting minutes
== End of Meeting ==
* please archive these meeting notes by copying the entire pad contents onto the sudomesh
wiki with the correct date format:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/DD_MM_YYYY
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https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/DD_MM_YYYY)
* then please erase the contents of this pad
* then please cut & paste a blank template from here:
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https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/Mesh_Meeting_Notes_Temp…)
* previous meeting notes are archived here:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Minutes
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https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Minutes)
June 8, 2018 12:37 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net (mailto:mai@peoplesopen.net) wrote:
Hey there,
This is your reminder to add any topics you'd like to be discussed at the People's
Open Network meeting on Tues 12 June 2018, 7:30 - 9:00 PM PT.
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