For those of you who haven't heard the news from Jenny, yet: Open Garden
decided to publicly release the original white paper "Multi-hop Wi-Fi
Offload <https://opengarden.com/Multi-hop_Wi-Fi_Offload.pdf>" by CTO,
Stanislav Shalunov.
Hopefully this brings some inspiration and answers some questions (ex.
Mitar: Why Bluetooth?)
Also, please excuse my lack of participation this past month - I'll be
back in the action next month. I'm also going to a festival called
Libertopia <http://libertopia.org> this weekend in San Diego where I'll
attempt to spread the word. These people are really into alternative,
decentralized services.
I'm starting my drive down tonight so have a great meeting and enjoy the
weekend everyone!
Peace.
-Paige
Hi everybody,
I kept notes that maybe we can expand on and add to the wiki. My notes are
mostly bullet points, but it's a decent summary of the meeting. I was going
to expand on a few points, but I don't have the time right now. Also,
where's the diagram that Marc had during the meeting? I didn't see it on
the wiki. Do we have any other information that would help new people
understand how to get involved? Max mentioned layers, maybe we can focus
the project into different layers and have separate meetings for those
layers.
Take care,
Jeremy
Low Bandwidth (disaster)
----------------------------------------------------------
-Using legal frequencies (900-928Mhz, Flutter, citizen band, amateur band)
-ISM bands
-Website for frequencies: Unwanted emissions > spectrum wiki > allocations
by service
-No encryption is legal
-Hack RF, Blade RF
-Maxim Chip, Iridium Modem 9601 (
http://www.iridium.com/products/iridium9601.aspx)
-IQ, External D/A modulator (sampling rate 10x)
-San Leandro is selling wifi to public
-1W and EIRP
-LCOM has cheap attennas
-LEO birds
High Bandwidth (standard)
-----------------------------------------------------------
-No flashing individually
-SSH generated by decentralized server
-Protocols (no cjds, Batman advanced, tunnel digger for internet, VPN,
LEADBAT, openWRT)
-500mW LUA
-3 SSIDS
-Authentication, encryption
-Protection of nodes by Section 230 of CDA (EFF)
-Server returns fake captive portal
-Firmware pages: internet usage, connected, testing the node (RSSI), change
password
-No using MD5 or broken encryption, no auto-authentication of other
certificates
-Open Garden uses Bluetooth
Per our agreement at last Thursday's meeting, we decided to drop the idea
of flashing nodes with individualized firmware images (since flashing is a
hassle and easier to do in bulk).
Instead, all nodes will be flashed with the same firmware and will then be
booted on a LAN where they will talk to a node configuration server that
will give them their individualized files (such as securely generated SSH
keys). This will also serve as verification that the firmware images have
been successfully flashed.
The node configuration server is controlled via a web interface that Rhodey
is currently writing.
The code is not ready yet, but here's what we have so far:
https://github.com/sudomesh/node-configurator
Also, with the gen_certificates.sh script, we are beginning to lay the
ground-work for a sudomesh.fork() script that will allow easy forking of
the entire project, including rebranding and generation of new
certificates, such that groups in other areas (e.g. SF) can join
peoplesopen.net by starting their own organization.
--
juul
Hey mesh team!
Open Garden is starting a series of social events in the interest of
sparking great conversations, sharing ideas and projects, and co-learning.
I can't be there for the first one, sadly, as it will be a great
opportunity to meet more folks interested in peer-to-peer applications,
mesh networking, decentralized and distributed tech. Also beer.
The first one is next Wednesday at Biergarten:
http://www.meetup.com/Tech-Garden-SF/events/139596332/
Jenny
http://jennyryan.nethttp://thepyre.orghttp://thevirtualcampfire.orghttp://technomadic.tumblr.com
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-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
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I've set up a $6 a month VPS (vpscheap.net) and configured mail for our
domains peoplesopen.net and sudoroom.org (and all variations).
I've also set up apache with free SSL certificates (still waiting for the
sudoroom.org certificates) for the domains and installed wordpress for both
domains (we don't have to use wordpress, it's just easy).
Who wants to design / help design our websites and content?
We can do something super simple like a single-page site that links to the
wiki for now, or just find a nice wordpress theme and tweak it, but we
should have _something_ up before the community wireless summit :)
--
Marc
Hi everybody,
I'm new to town and I'm interested in helping with the project. I'll be at
the meeting on Thursday. I wanted to focus more on the hardware aspect side
of things. I have a background as an EE and I haven't had much field
experience with radios and networking, but it's one of the three projects I
will be focusing on in Oakland. One detail that I can't figure out if it's
built into the cjdn nodes bridge to the internet. I'm guessing yes, but I
can't find anything that specifies it.
Maybe somebody will be willing to catch me up with some of the local
project details.
See you tomorrow,
Jeremy
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> 4. Re: mail and web operational (rhodey)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:17:07 -0500
> From: charles(a)thefnf.org
> To: Mitar <mitar(a)tnode.com>,Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>
> Cc: Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk>, mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> Subject: Re: [Mesh] mail and web operational
> Message-ID: <75d8a78d-8425-4c0e-9959-d7b66de6be51(a)email.android.com>
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> Mitar <mitar(a)tnode.com> wrote:
> >Hi!
> >
> >So, maybe you should talk with people behind the freifunk.net site and
> >see what is their vision is? Probably they are just around the corner.
> >:-)
> >
> >As I said, there could be two domain names pointing to the same page,
> >meshthepla.net having different theme and different (English) locale.
> >
> >
> >Mitar
> >
> >> Mitar and all,
> >>
> >> The idea with meshthepla.net is to create a campaign site that is
> >agnostic
> >> toward any particular network. Freifunk.net by and large points to
> >and
> >> promotes itself, which is really all the argument needed.
> >>
> >> Also, I'm intending to use the site for documenting the workshop I'll
> >be
> >> leading at the wireless summit, one output of which is a global
> >community
> >> asset map of free networks and a communications framework for
> >continuing
> >> the conversation. :)
> >>
> >> I do like the Freifunk site a lot and am hoping I can grok more of it
> >after
> >> spending a few weeks immersed in German!
> >> On Sep 25, 2013 6:53 AM, "Mitar" <mitar(a)tnode.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>>> As far as global directories, I don't see any reason for freifunk
> >to be
> >>> the
> >>>> only front end for all this open data - in part because "freifunk"
> >is a
> >>>> much better name for german speakers than for everyone else. As
> >long as
> >>> we
> >>>> are dealing with open data and open source, it shouldn't be a
> >problem for
> >>>> motivated folks to throw up their own translated/localized version,
> >>>> experiment with visualizations, etc. if they want to
> >>>
> >>> Yes. So providing your own interface to the same API is probably
> >>> reasonable. But I got a feeling that Marc was arguing for doing some
> >>> other API and another directory?
> >>>
> >>> Of course another idea could be that we just translate freifunk.net
> >>> webpage, point meshtheplanet.net to that site and make so that when
> >it
> >>> is visited through meshtheplanet.net, an English version (with
> >whatever
> >>> logo) appears. And if we want some additional feature, we extend
> >current
> >>> website with it and both freifunk.net and meshtheplanet.net then
> >have
> >>> it. This is open source as well. Don't fork if not necessary. Have
> >you
> >>> tried to contribute to freifunk.net? Was it proven to be impossible?
> >>> That they didn't accept your contributions with your translations
> >and
> >>> visualizations? If not, why fork?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mitar
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --mark B.
> >>>> On Sep 24, 2013 6:47 PM, "Mitar" <mitar(a)tnode.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> That site is completely freifunk-specific.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Because it is starting from there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am probably biased though. :-) But in the past they had already
> >a nice
> >>>>> planet (blog aggregator) and I know few networks (including wlan
> >>>>> slovenija) who were part of that. So I don't have a feeling it is
> >just
> >>>>> freifunk specific.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Site appears to be in german only.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Currently. This is called international diversity. :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> No easy way to add your own community to the mesh (need to use an
> >>>>>> api).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pull request against:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >
> https://github.com/freifunk/api.freifunk.net/blob/master/directory/director…
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is easier?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> No info on the different meshes except for a link.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you checked the schema?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >https://github.com/freifunk/api.freifunk.net/blob/master/specs/0.1.json
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And of course, schema can be worked on by communities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> This does not even seem to be an attempt at a global community
> >site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Interesting, I got a feeling that they are trying to be. They were
> >eager
> >>>>> to translate into English the GitHub README, once I told them that
> >this
> >>>>> would help others. :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Yeah, but maybe forking hackerspaces.org would be better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As you want. I am just saying that some people are already working
> >on
> >>>>> that and that it is really hard to maintain such lists. I know
> >because I
> >>>>> tried one:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://interop.wlan-si.net/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is then simply:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wireless_community_networks_by_region
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Which was viewed by many as good enough.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And now freifunk is trying to improve on situation. So making a
> >site
> >>>>> which uses the same API and same directory is probably reasonable.
> >But
> >>>>> doing one new directory is probably not. Because the question is
> >who
> >>>>> will maintain that directory.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mitar
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> http://mitar.tnode.com/
> >>>>> https://twitter.com/mitar_m
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> mesh mailing list
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> >>>>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://mitar.tnode.com/
> >>> https://twitter.com/mitar_m
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> >>
>
> I think Mitar is really on to something here and i tend to agree with his
> position. I think we have a great list of his points/position.
>
> Guifi.us has a very specific goal: take the wndw.net site and turn it
> into a simple process: plan, fund, procure, build. It will scrape from
> existing map sources for its map. The less to scrape from the better!
>
> Jenny/all,
>
> Do you have a spec/goals/motivations etc page up somewhere for
> meshthepla.net?
> --
> Charles Wyble
> (818) 280-7059 charles(a)knownelement.com
> CTO Free Network Foundation (thefnf.org)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:20:36 -0500
> From: charles(a)thefnf.org
> To: Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>
> Cc: Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk>, mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> Subject: Re: [Mesh] mail and web operational
> Message-ID: <33cd0fed-c796-4f49-9ff9-eda78202d056(a)email.android.com>
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>
> Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >Charles,
> >
> >Can you link to a guifi.net page that demonstrates this global map?
> >Something in English, preferably. I'd love to know more about this
> >project
> >and its roadmap.
> >On Sep 25, 2013 3:55 AM, <charles(a)thefnf.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
> >> >On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I've set up a $6 a month VPS (vpscheap.net) and configured mail
> >for
> >> >our
> >> >> domains peoplesopen.net and sudoroom.org (and all variations).
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >I must have been pretty tired when I wrote this. I of course meant
> >> >sudomesh.org
> >> >
> >> >I'm also not sure that this has been officially announced on the
> >> >mailing
> >> >list, but our final naming decisions are in.
> >> >
> >> >The network is:
> >> >
> >> > Peoples Open Network
> >> > peoplesopen.net
> >> >
> >> >The SSID of the wifi/mesh is:
> >> >
> >> > peoplesopen.net
> >> >
> >> >The organization is:
> >> >
> >> > sudomesh.org
> >> >
> >> >and then we are thinking about using meshtheplanet.net (and
> >> >meshthepla.net)
> >> >as a campaign to get more people involved or a map of all community
> >> >networks (like hackerspaces.org)
> >> >
> >> >We decided to change the decision from last week and not use the
> >name
> >> >peopleswifi.org as the SSID so as not to have two different names
> >for
> >> >the
> >> >network.
> >>
> >> Would you be willing to work with the Free Network Foundation and our
> >> guifi.us effort for the mapping?
> >>
> >> Also look at guifi.net (they are working closely with global mesh
> >> networks to map everything).
> >> --
> >> Charles Wyble
> >> (818) 280-7059 charles(a)knownelement.com
> >> CTO Free Network Foundation (thefnf.org)
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> mesh mailing list
> >> mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh
> >>
>
> I would browse the site and also talk to Roje/Pau at the summit. They know
> the site far better than I.
>
> Guifi.us is a 2.0 version of that site/concept and also more US centric.
> --
> Charles Wyble
> (818) 280-7059 charles(a)knownelement.com
> CTO Free Network Foundation (thefnf.org)
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:42:40 -0400
> From: The Doctor <drwho(a)virtadpt.net>
> To: mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> Subject: Re: [Mesh] Open Garden white paper!
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> On 09/24/2013 06:33 PM, Marc Juul wrote:
>
> > I would also guess that bluetooth still consumes significantly
> > less power than wifi even if wifi is set to lower power, but I
> > don't actually know.
>
> http://www.diffen.com/difference/Bluetooth_vs_Wifi
>
> tl;dr - Bluetooth uses less power, but has significantly less range.
>
> - --
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:43:07 -0700
> From: rhodey <rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org>
> To: mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> Subject: Re: [Mesh] mail and web operational
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> Guifi.us looks great and is something I would support us at least trying.
>
> On a general note I'm highly skeptical of any database built on top of
> JSON. My hope is for an API to be built for this dataset such that
> individual mesh networks are not forced into using this one size fits
> all biz.
>
> -- rhodey
>
> On 09/25/2013 06:20 AM, charles(a)thefnf.org wrote:
> > Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Charles,
> >>
> >> Can you link to a guifi.net page that demonstrates this global map?
> >> Something in English, preferably. I'd love to know more about this
> >> project
> >> and its roadmap.
> >> On Sep 25, 2013 3:55 AM, <charles(a)thefnf.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I've set up a $6 a month VPS (vpscheap.net) and configured mail
> >> for
> >>>> our
> >>>>> domains peoplesopen.net and sudoroom.org (and all variations).
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I must have been pretty tired when I wrote this. I of course meant
> >>>> sudomesh.org
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm also not sure that this has been officially announced on the
> >>>> mailing
> >>>> list, but our final naming decisions are in.
> >>>>
> >>>> The network is:
> >>>>
> >>>> Peoples Open Network
> >>>> peoplesopen.net
> >>>>
> >>>> The SSID of the wifi/mesh is:
> >>>>
> >>>> peoplesopen.net
> >>>>
> >>>> The organization is:
> >>>>
> >>>> sudomesh.org
> >>>>
> >>>> and then we are thinking about using meshtheplanet.net (and
> >>>> meshthepla.net)
> >>>> as a campaign to get more people involved or a map of all community
> >>>> networks (like hackerspaces.org)
> >>>>
> >>>> We decided to change the decision from last week and not use the
> >> name
> >>>> peopleswifi.org as the SSID so as not to have two different names
> >> for
> >>>> the
> >>>> network.
> >>>
> >>> Would you be willing to work with the Free Network Foundation and our
> >>> guifi.us effort for the mapping?
> >>>
> >>> Also look at guifi.net (they are working closely with global mesh
> >>> networks to map everything).
> >>> --
> >>> Charles Wyble
> >>> (818) 280-7059 charles(a)knownelement.com
> >>> CTO Free Network Foundation (thefnf.org)
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> mesh mailing list
> >>> mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh
> >>>
> >
> > I would browse the site and also talk to Roje/Pau at the summit. They
> know the site far better than I.
> >
> > Guifi.us is a 2.0 version of that site/concept and also more US centric.
> >
>
>
>
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>
Hey all,
Last night I finished our current budget based on the income we received
through the crowdfunding campaign and our expenditures thus far. You can
view it here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao_Q7DQvNFT-dGE0a3hSRnVlck1xVH…
Currently, the funds exist in my and Marc's joint bank account. Once we
incorporate and begin the non-profit process, we'll open a bank account in
the name of the organization.
Websites should all be up by the end of the weekend; ping me if you'd like
an account to work on the sites with your preferred username (they're
Wordpress installs).
Mesh the planet!
Jenny
http://jennyryan.nethttp://thepyre.orghttp://thevirtualcampfire.orghttp://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
