[Mesh] Fwd: Notes from Network Commons License mtg @ IS4CWN2013

Notes from tonight's meeting re: Network Commons Licensing :) Please give feedback in the next 24 hours if you have any questions for folks! We have also created a temporary list here, which was spawned during our meeting with Pau, Roger and Isaac some weeks ago: lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/tmpcommonsnet Follow #is4cwn, the talks are streaming live and there's some excellent tweeting going on! Cheers from Berlin! Jenny ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:04 PM Subject: Notes from Network Commons License mtg @ IS4CWN2013 To: tmpcommonsnet <tmpcommonsnet(a)lists.sudoroom.org> Greetings comrades! A pleasure to participate in a most excellent roundtable discussion moving toward a network commons license this evening at c-base! Here are the notes off the etherpad, for documentation and sharing with our friends across the pond. I will also shortly start a thread for a round of introductions :-) ------- This pad is meant to just as an index. Discussions must be kept in individual pads (tmp) mailing list http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/tmpcommonsnet name http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-org-name vision and mission http://etherpad.guifi.net/L2-mission initial pad THAT MUST BE REWORKED http://etherpad.guifi.net/C4EU-orgs ======================================================= rought notes of meeting at IS4CWN 2013 *) we continue the discussion via the tmp mailing list pls send any update, no matter from where *) international organisations ISOC RIRs (e.g. RIPE-NCC, ) *) international actions lobbyingg policy making *) license *) network map to have a big picture *) define what a CN is => which/who can be accepted at the L2org FNF proposal: https://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Free_network_definition 0. Freedom to participate and to make others participate L2 access vs L3 access => access the network vs peering with the network => joining th commons vs extending the commons 1. Freedom to communicate using the network for any purpose without interception or interference - and free of charge 2, The freedom to modify and improve the network, including the ability to access, author and distribute information about how the network functions. ? non-(private?)-profit with the network itself not really sure if this must be at this level (could/should be placed in the licence) Fair profit [guifi] - can be legally enforced Transit inside the network should be free Guifinet: Difference between Network and content. Access to the Internet is content internally must be free. to get outside might be charged Precaution that we maintain actual freedom - problem with Creative COmmons is that much that is licensed under CC is not actually free (non-commercial) Additional concerns (very likely not to go to the def/license but as recommendations) The freedom to know the ecologial impact of the hardware? The right to ask for the information about the hardware? fairness as a restriction? running free software? distribured property (multistakeholder) is not a request, but it is recommended Cannot charge a fee to interconnect the commons. Access to knowledge as a fundamental principle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_to_knowledge_movement Three themes here: Free Network Community Network - owned by the community Profit / Non-profit overlay net. vs physical net we are talking about phy what about mixed overlay+phy networks (e.g. fon)? difference between the picopeer agr and our efforts *)*) licence FNF proposal http://commons.thefnf.org/index.php/Network_Commons_License creative-commons-like incremental license proposed by Mitar at Oakland (?) suggestion: confront with statistics of CC in terms for flavours used examples of additional clauses: - free software only - ecological footprint - not for profit - owned by the users? Membership ??? =Action Items= * Isaac: Take 'owned by its users' out of the preamble * Annemarie will pass around suggestions for legal frameworks * Isaac: compare the picopeer agr and our def * roger: rewrites these notes and sends them to the ml * christian: contacts a RIPE college * jenny: send notes to the list ------- Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://thepyre.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`