2 Aug
2013
2 Aug
'13
6:35 p.m.
Hey y'all!
Just a quick intro: I'm the Community Manager at Open Garden, a company
making a mesh networking app for Android based in SF. I'm also a
decentralization enthusiast and liberty activist.
I'm interested in discussing potential collaborations between the Open
Garden community and Oakland mesh outreach. The first idea that comes
to mind for me is holding local events based on education about mesh
networking both in Oakland and SF. Oakland is obviously the most
important community to focus on for the Oakland mesh (duh), however
there can be a lot of benefit from marketing the project to a wider
audience - especially since SF is right next door.
How awesome would it be to do a basic demo using Internet from somewhere
like the TechShop and sending it to Yerba Buena Gardens for example?
There could also be a chance at leveraging the marketing from the
Google/SF WiFi initiative... something that says "Hey... we're trying to
do something similar over here but even better!" Of course while trying
to avoid pissing off Goog or SF.
Anyways... I know some (probably most) of you may have some reservations
about collaboration with a company making proprietary software on a
moral ground but I'm interested in discussion on mutual benefit - both
for outreach and as complementary solutions for meshing the planet! ;)
Be well,
Paige Peterson
13 Aug
13 Aug
3:55 a.m.
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Paige <veeforvoluntary(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey y'all!
Just a quick intro: I'm the Community Manager at Open Garden, a company
making a mesh networking app for Android based in SF. I'm also a
decentralization enthusiast and liberty activist.
I'm interested in discussing potential
collaborations between the Open
Garden community and Oakland mesh outreach. The first idea that comes to
mind for me is holding local events based on education about mesh
networking both in Oakland and SF. Oakland is obviously the most important
community to focus on for the Oakland mesh (duh), however there can be a
lot of benefit from marketing the project to a wider audience - especially
since SF is right next door.
How awesome would it be to do a basic demo using
Internet from somewhere
like the TechShop and sending it to Yerba Buena Gardens for example? There
could also be a chance at leveraging the marketing from the Google/SF WiFi
initiative... something that says "Hey... we're trying to do something
similar over here but even better!" Of course while trying to avoid
pissing off Goog or SF.
I think pissing off Google or SF would be a great success for our mesh
project. Maybe we should look into this.
Anyways... I know some (probably most) of you may have
some reservations
about collaboration with a company making proprietary software on a moral
ground but I'm interested in discussion on mutual benefit - both for
outreach and as complementary solutions for meshing the planet! ;)
There are several problems for me. One is what you mention. Another problem
is that Open Garden is a for-profit company. Then there is the fact that,
while Open Garden's technology is free, it is controlled by a small
centralized organization with a hierarchical power structure. This creates
a split between a small group of powerful producers of technology, and the
rest of the world as consumers that have only what magic the powerful
wizards on the mountain decide to grant them. If we had the ability to fork
the codebase, that would be somewhat less of a problem. This split between
producer and consumer is worsened by the fact that Open Garden has decided
to provide only limited and abstract documentation on their technology.
Curious users will have a hard time figuring out exactly how the software
works. I do not like black boxes. I like things that encourage human
curiosity and ingenuity.
My opinion is that the mesh group should not become officially associated
with Open Garden, nor any proprietary technology to the extent that it can
be avoided (We're using ubiquiti routers, with atheros chipsets, ugh, but
we're still some ways away from truly open hardware platforms. Still I
would not want to do an event with ubiquiti either).
This is my opinion only. I would like to hear how the rest of the crew
feels about this. I will bring it up at the next meeting.
--
Marc Juul
14 Aug
14 Aug
4:03 p.m.
Hi Marc,
Your concerns seem reasonable to me. For me the mesh project has always
been about being as truly open as possible, everything from documentation
and discussion and decision-making to software and hardware. And by open, I
mean libre :)
On the outreach and collab tip, I do think educating our communities about
mesh networks is really vital. For me this mainly means partnering w/
community organizations in Oakland so we can support the important work
they're already doing in the community and work w/ them to add another tool
- decentralized, community run, open access networks - to their toolbox.
We could look to folks like Paulo Freire (popular education and
participatory action research) for models of how this might happen in
practice. (btw, I'm also super-interested in working in a
popular-education angle on how surveillance affects our communities and how
communities can fight back - hopefully mesh networks could play into this :)
--mark B.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Paige
<veeforvoluntary(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey y'all!
Just a quick intro: I'm the Community Manager at Open Garden, a company
making a mesh networking app for Android based in SF. I'm also a
decentralization enthusiast and liberty activist.
I'm interested in discussing potential
collaborations between the Open
Garden community and Oakland mesh outreach. The first idea that comes to
mind for me is holding local events based on education about mesh
networking both in Oakland and SF. Oakland is obviously the most important
community to focus on for the Oakland mesh (duh), however there can be a
lot of benefit from marketing the project to a wider audience - especially
since SF is right next door.
How awesome would it be to do a basic demo using
Internet from somewhere
like the TechShop and sending it to Yerba Buena Gardens for example? There
could also be a chance at leveraging the marketing from the Google/SF WiFi
initiative... something that says "Hey... we're trying to do something
similar over here but even better!" Of course while trying to avoid
pissing off Goog or SF.
I think pissing off Google or SF would be a great success for our mesh
project. Maybe we should look into this.
Anyways... I know some (probably most) of you may
have some reservations
about collaboration with a company making proprietary software on a moral
ground but I'm interested in discussion on mutual benefit - both for
outreach and as complementary solutions for meshing the planet! ;)
There are several problems for me. One is what you mention. Another
problem is that Open Garden is a for-profit company. Then there is the fact
that, while Open Garden's technology is free, it is controlled by a small
centralized organization with a hierarchical power structure. This creates
a split between a small group of powerful producers of technology, and the
rest of the world as consumers that have only what magic the powerful
wizards on the mountain decide to grant them. If we had the ability to fork
the codebase, that would be somewhat less of a problem. This split between
producer and consumer is worsened by the fact that Open Garden has decided
to provide only limited and abstract documentation on their technology.
Curious users will have a hard time figuring out exactly how the software
works. I do not like black boxes. I like things that encourage human
curiosity and ingenuity.
My opinion is that the mesh group should not become officially associated
with Open Garden, nor any proprietary technology to the extent that it can
be avoided (We're using ubiquiti routers, with atheros chipsets, ugh, but
we're still some ways away from truly open hardware platforms. Still I
would not want to do an event with ubiquiti either).
This is my opinion only. I would like to hear how the rest of the crew
feels about this. I will bring it up at the next meeting.
--
Marc Juul
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