Below you'll find the SudoMesh meeting minutes from Tues, 11 September 2018.
The notes are also viewable online:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/11_September_2018
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https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/11_September_2018)
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'''People's Open Network Weekly Meeting - 11 September 2018
7:30pm-9pm'''
*
https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy
=== Agenda ===
* Introductions and Meeting Roles (10 mins)
* Check in on previous action items (5 mins)
* Updates & Reportbacks (20 mins)
* Next Sunday (5 mins)
* Discussion: Consensus group membership (15 mins)
* Action Items (5 mins)
* Breakout Groups
=== Introductions ===
Introduce yourself: Name; Preferred Pronoun; Icebreaker Response; BRIEF Announcements
* Icebreaker question: what is your favorite licorice?
* grant: he/they/whatever - hello, the one that I've tried. the green one
** anarchist book fair is this saturday in the ballroom! second year it's been here.
** cassady - before that it was at the humanist hall
* benny: i'm benny, he him. i like the sweet licorice
* null: them/they: i only tried one, the really salty one, more salty than sunflower
seeds
* marc - he/him, i like the super piratosty
* Stacktaker:
* Timekeeper:
* Notetaker/s: juul
** URL of this pad:
https://peoplesopen.net/notes
== announcement ==
* Grant: Anarchist book fair is here Saturday (9/15) in the ballroom. Some sudo mesh folks
will be hanging out in sudo room to talk to people who are interested.
** jenny: swag-making partay friday night? ^_^
** (about being able to make it for swag-making) maybe: grant says maybe, benny says I
cannot. marc says possibly.
** benny - I can't make it :-((
== Check in on previous action items ==
Check previous meeting minutes at
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Minutes and past action
items below:
* follow up w/ chuck again (benny)
** he is out of town but gets back. benny will follow up with him. he needs to patch his
node (tunneldigger patch)
* airfiber mount ideas/status (marc)
** marc - we tested the 24ghz airfibers on sunday and it was a success. now we have to the
next step--figure out what we need to mount at paxio location. we don't know if we
need a free standing mount, a poe box, etc.
** jehan - where is it going to connect?
** marc - here because the building we thought was going to block us is not actually going
to block us.
** grant - thinking the best mounting point will be the superstructure back there with a
mast attached to it.
** marc - we need a 3-4in pipe to bolt onto our building. something solid. let's do it
next sunday! mai and I will reach out to paxio and figure out what they need from us. I
think we can do that in parallel. This week we can order all the stuff we find out we need
for their mount. If they reply quickly, we could have the iink up in less than two weeks.
** jehan - i heard that there might be a taller building going up behind the macarthur
commons--maybe should check bulding plans.
** benny - how do you figure out what buildings are going up where?
** jehan - go to city hall
** null - planning comittee?
*** jenny: can also check using the online parcel map and accela records database:
https://aca.accela.com/OAKLAND/Default.aspx
** mai - yayyyyyyyy! let me know how you'd like to reach out to Paxio / tim pozar
@juul.
** marc - ok wll do
** jenny - brilliant. see benny's excellent blog post:
https://peoplesopen.net/blog/testing-24ghz-air-fibers/ (for test mounting newayz)
* make a loomio thread re: donating to Aspiration (jenny)
** will do this week
** when is aspiration tech?
*** November 14-16 -
https://aspirationtech.org/events/devsummit18
* send out email requesting AirFiber hosting - jenny (nextdoor), eve (hams), ?
** will do this week - sorry!
** mai: think we decided to hold off anyway since there needed to be some discussion re:
airfibers post-Sunday's test?
* draft press release - jenny, you??
**
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nmocVa7zTuLkWniObF2jikGoL5MI8MD7n2InSD…
** will write this week
** mai: still hope to contribute! sweet ^_^
* add new project proposal process proposal to Loomio as a poll (mai)
**
https://www.loomio.org/d/YuC1wIps/how-we-make-decisions
** lesley - i mostly really supported the proposal, but i there were two major problems i
saw. it felt weird that in loomio there wasn't a way to collaborate on suggestions
besides saying yay or nay.
** marc - maybe the discussion we're having right now is how it's supposed to
work?
** lesley - i liked bengo's idea of putting it on github.
** marc - I think github is kind of hard to work with for new folks.
*** eenblam - +1. I think Github is critical for software contributions (and documentation
for said software), but I don't want people to be shut out unnecessarily for stuff the
wiki suffices for.
** mai - As we'd decided to do last week, the proposal was put forth in loomio to get
a temperature reading on it since folks weren't engaging on the discussion besides a
few people. It's still up for comment/critique, which we hoped would happen on loomio
so we could keep track of people's points and have documentation re: why we decided to
move forward with whatever process we decided to give a try.
** mini-discussion about how we make decisions
** proposed change 1 - if there's a proposal that would give you money, you have to
abstain from voting
** everyone consensed
** proposed change 2 - you shouldn't have to be there in person the following week
after blocking--should just have to justify your block in language on loomio or in the pad
notes
** actual text for proposed change - Existing language -> If blocked, person who
blocked must present their reasoning at the following Tues meeting. Add this text ->
This can be done remotely.
*** jenny - mebbe reframe just as "must engage in discussion around reasons for
block"?
*** eenblam - I think jorrit's push to reframe blocks was good. I like the idea of
focusing on *building consensus*, even if there is some initial disagreement.
*** mai - +1 to jorrit's suggestion, particularly if there's broad agreement and
only one or two who disagree. It probably wouldn't make sense for everyone to try to
build consensus around something in which a majority of people voting don't think
it's a project worth investing in.
*** mai - Can we add something about having blocks be done remotely? I've seen this
problem where people who are not involved in a project get involved in decisions without
showing up or engaging with the folks who are more newly involved. Like if they do block
remotely, they should try to meet up with the person who's proposing at another time
if the following Tues meeting isn't convenient?
*** marc: I feel like it doesn't matter which way we go because if we run into a
failure mode then we'll just change the process
*** (broad agreement to keep the ability to offline block and bring it up and change it if
we run into problems)
*** null: (asking about relationship between existing process for spending money)
*** scott - i think we should keep the propose remotely change
*** lesley - i agree and think it makes the process less ableist (e.g. people with social
anxiety)
*** scott - I am interested in seeing a clearer definition or guideline of what kind of
interaction is expected when you block a proposal to keep the proposal moving forward
(e.g. e-mail? loomio? phone?)
* add item to agenda re: consensus list membership (mai)
** done, see below
* grant - #somebodyshould make a new newsletter
** @seth here are some examples/templates
***
https://peoplesopen.net/pad/p/pon-newsletter-2018-04
***
https://peoplesopen.net/pad/p/pon-newsletter-2018-03
== Updates & Reportbacks ==
=== Bugs/Technical ===
Priority bugs we need help with are located at:
http://peoplesopen.net/helpwanted - For a
high-level overview of recent Github activity, see the Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/r9l5ouQ4/3b2eecd83bb9e7a57a339cf1ee038288/sudo-…
* grant - the monitor acts funny
* grant - been working on disaster radio routing stuff,
https://github.com/sudomesh/disaster-radio/wiki/Protocol
** decided to work on it in the github wiki, there are also some other resources here,
https://github.com/sudomesh/disaster-radio/tree/master/research
=== Node Mounts & Outreach ===
Node Mounts Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/DtzngKaM/49e1c21fc9da199fcdeceb8623b5117a/node-…
* Jenny - Jonah got back to me today. o/ We can meet him onsite at the tower on Thursday
and/or he'll come to next Tuesday's meeting to discuss logistics :)
** full reply: "Currently, we have towers on both 2512 Florida Ave and 380 Carlson,
but our tower on the Carlson location isn't yet wired up/operational (We got conduit
installed recently and I'm currently collecting a few quotes from folks we've
worked with before to get a couple radios up there -- if you have recs for east bay folks
who can do tower work, I'd love a referral).
I'll be onsite at both locations this Thursday (Sept 13) if anyone from your crew is
in the area and wants to check out what we've currently got and what it would take to
get some new stuff up and running? Otherwise I will plan on making it next Tuesday, Sept
18 for the meeting at Omni Commons and we can chat about strategies for finally getting
this thing going!"
** Can anyone make a site survey this Thursday and/or commit to being at meeting on Tues?
Marc and I are leaving for denmark on the 18th. matthew from sudo has a videodrone we can
borrow..
** Benny - I could go on thursday and ill be here next tuesday too.
** Juul - I want to go on thursday. (He may not show up on the following tuesday.)
** jenny will reply to jonah and pin down a good time ^_^
* grant - reed brothers is open whenever for us to come by. would be great learning
experience for people. this could happen any time during the week.
** anybody for friday or next week?
* benny - i would go next week
* marc - should we buy non-pentrating roof mounts to have in stock?
* grant - yes!
=== Communications & Events ===
Comms Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/f3ugMPNU/94033ee6c2cef93fc1b1637b727c902a/sudo-…
// Events Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/Y3XfDK85/2b6fcb4fa92788609692a53a96fb4614/peopl…
* grant: #somebodyshould make a new newsletter maybe once press release is written
* benny:
https://peoplesopen.net/blog/testing-24ghz-air-fibers/
* lesley: institute for the future thing that a lot of people were going to be out of town
for. i was thinking of going. anybody else interested?
** jnny: note to check in with nic about whether we can use the 2 tix interchangeably over
the 3 days
** marc : whoever goes will be responsible for being near the disaster radio exhibit
(which we havent finalized yet). fitz might be able to go. also hotel stay is included.
*** lesley: id be interested in learning more about disaster radio for the event, but give
priority to people who are already more involved.
* seth - I'd be up for working on the next newsletter if people show me some links /
where to find things
* grant - (sends links to seth)
=== Internal Logistics / Finance ===
Internal Logistics & Bureaucracy Trello:
https://trello.com/invite/b/LzVQlW3X/1bb8bd543c8633688175365d2554c2c2/inter…
* Mai came across this community broadband accelerator. Should we apply?
https://neighborly.com/broadband-accelerator Deadline is end of the month so we can chat
about this next week.
** Co-edit the application here:
https://peoplesopen.net/pad/p/cba-apply
* Quickbooks Online Training workshop is this Thursday, 3-5pm @ Omni. Ping jenny if you
want to come but didnt participate in previous Doodle/email thread :)
* jenny has a serious block around following up with getting an insurance quote. anyone
willing to handhold/take over?
** What type of insurance?
*** jnny: general liability and directors & officers. gunner recommended the Nonprofit
Insurance Alliance:
https://secure.insurancefornonprofits.org/GetAQuote.cfm
** mai - since we didn't have accounting wg meeting this week so could work on this
next week?
*** jnny: partly also we need to update our budget and business plan
**** budget:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QJetruKfHrO5bpaLDk_smXYpLSvGlzytda_…
(but can now generate on quickbooks instead. new feature.)
**** biz plan:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H8x3JnbGEkoeE3CwMzrCC0MD1tIAhb6O8JjLsiC…
== Next Sunday ==
=== Node Mount ===
We try to arrange a rooftop node mount every Sunday afternoon. Ongoing spreadsheet is
located at:
https://peoplesopen.net/sundays
* Next Sunday's mount: AirFiber on Omni?
=== Office Hours ===
We host office hours every Sunday from 1-2pm in Sudo Room. To sign up for a shift, fill in
your name here:
https://ethercalc.org/byoi_office_hours
* Next Sunday's volunteer:
* Notes from this past Sunday's session:
** We tested airfibers!!! See:
https://peoplesopen.net/blog/testing-24ghz-air-fibers/
== Discussion: Consensus Group Membership ==
* What should the process be for adding & removing members from the consensus group?
** marc - outline for process. removal does not need consensus because that's
impossible. needs 3/4 to agree instead. process for adding--in sudo room it used to be
that you have to come to a meeting and answer some questions so people can get to know
you. then there's four weeks, and if nobody blocks, then you're a member. sudo
added a thing where you can get 3 people to sign off on you, and then you don't have
to come to meetings, but it hasn't really been working.
** lesley - maybe some number of node mounts?
** grant - some contributors don't do node mounts. time seems good.
** benny - maybe you should have to come to more than one meeting?
** marc - one thing (e.g. office hours) and one meeting?
** benny - maybe more, like 5 or 6?
* Whats a better name than "Consensus Group"?
** jnny - 'consensos'? 'decisores'? 'counsel'?
** jehan - the ministry
** marc - the tribunal
*** lesley - yes on tribunal (laughing)
** marc - the wheel
** benny - the decision wheel
** grant - we're all spokes in the wheel
** nanomonkey - meshy dis-members
** grant - let's make a loomio ranked choice
== Action Items ==
* check in with nic about whether we can use the 2 tix interchangeably over the 3 days -
juul
* reply to jonah and pin down a good time for thursday site survey & coordinate w/
benny / marc / robb - jenny
* submit budget request for non-penetrating roof mounts - grant? juul?
* iterate on packet needed for getting an insurance quote - accounting wg
* loomio poll on consensus group name
== Breakout Groups ==
At the end of the meeting, break out into small groups to hack on or discuss specific
topics.
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== Last Meeting Notes ==
*
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/04_September_2018
== End of Meeting ==
* please archive these meeting notes by copying the entire pad contents onto the sudomesh
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* then please erase the contents of this pad
* then please cut & paste a blank template from here:
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* previous meeting notes are archived here:
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September 10, 2018 4:33 PM, mai(a)peoplesopen.net (mailto:mai@peoplesopen.net) wrote:
Hey there,
This is a reminder to add any topics you'd like to be discussed at the People's
Open Network meeting on Tues 11 September 2018, 7:30 - 9:00 PM PT.
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