Sorry for not showing up for a time, I have this awful cold. This must
be at least the 4th this season, what the hell is going on?
Anyway, I'll be back as soon as I can shake it. See you there.
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Yes dhcp now. Each node is assigned a /26 at birth by makenode. It uses the
first ip for itself and the next four for extender nodes then hands out the
rest to clients on short leases. If we want ipv6 then we could get the
nodes to self-assign a random small subnet within a specified larger
subnet. We will then want to use dhcpv6 to hand out ips to clients for a
few reasons but a big one is that most operating systems embed their MAC
address in their self-assigned ipv6 address which would turn the mesh into
a huge tracking network just by traceroute'ing continuously to a
predictable set of ips for a know MAC for e.g. someone's phone. Windows is
the only major OS that "does it right" and uses the alternate strategy for
ipv6 self-assignment which was added to the standars later, namely
"randomly generate". Linux folks are being stubborn and want to stick to
the default that is specified in the standars as the default. This is
terrible for privacy. Using dhcpv6 means we can ensure that client MAC
addresses are not embedded in assigned IPs
On Thursday, April 27, 2017, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Oops, yea not link local, but random. How do client devices get ipv4
> addresses now? Not dhcp, right?
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:44 PM, Mitar <mitar(a)tnode.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mitar(a)tnode.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Ah, for nodes. Yes, nodes could have automatic IPv6 addresses (and not
>> even link-local, but global).
>>
>> For clients is trickier.
>>
>> But we could do some automatic IPv6 address subnets for nodes. :-)
>>
>>
>> Mitar
>>
>> > Well, I'm not an expert on all the details, but I imagine we'd generate
>> > them randomly during makenode (or whenever). Then routes to addresses
>> would
>> > be propagated by babel in the same way that ipv4 addresses are now. I'm
>> not
>> > sure if the exit server would need an ipv6 address or if it would be
>> good
>> > to switch existing nodes over.
>> >
>> > -Jehan
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Mitar <mitar(a)tnode.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mitar(a)tnode.com');>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi!
>> >>
>> >> I was asking for the "IPv6 randomly generated link-local
>> >> addresses" idea. How would that route?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mitar
>> >>
>> >>>> And how would you route that over L3 network?
>> >>>
>> >>> Off the top of my head:
>> >>>
>> >>> - Packet headed somewhere on the internet with an ipv4 address comes
>> >> from a
>> >>> client device to the home node.
>> >>> - Home node pops that packet into an ipv6 packet bearing the ipv6
>> address
>> >>> of the exit server which is then routed over the mesh network
>> >>> - Exit server takes the ipv4 packet out and does NAT on it (switches
>> the
>> >>> source address to public IP) and sends it out to the internet.
>> >>> - Response from internet comes back to exit server, the exit server
>> does
>> >>> NAT again (switches the destination address to private IP)
>> >>> - Exit server puts the packet into an ipv6 packet with the ipv6
>> address
>> >> of
>> >>> the home node and sends it onto the mesh (it needs to have kept track
>> of
>> >>> the ipv6 address)
>> >>> - Home node receives the ipv6 packet, takes the ipv4 packet out and
>> sends
>> >>> it to the client.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not an expert, so there might be some issues with this. Here's an
>> RFC
>> >>> which might be similar:
>> >>>
>> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7040
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','juul(a)labitat.dk');>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Mitar <mitar(a)tnode.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mitar(a)tnode.com');>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> IMO, we should put everything on ipv6 randomly generated link-local
>> >>>>>> addresses to avoid the whole makenode centralized IP assignment
>> >>>>> business.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And how would you route that over L3 network?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It would work over L2 Batman network. But not over L3.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Have you looked into AHCP:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> https://www.irif.fr/~jch/software/ahcp/
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ssssh! Why did you have to tell them about AHCP?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ... *OBLIVIATE!*
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> marc/juul
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >>
>> >
>>
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>
>
so if this is the case, will home nodes still be able to give out IPV4
addresses or will the mesh exclude equipment which doesn't support IPV6?
-jake
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 Jehan wrote:
> So let me get this straight- home nodes advertise their /26, which is how
> the network knows how to get return traffic back to any given client?
>
> Wouldn't giving clients ipv6 addresses result in the problems with many of
> the ipv4 only protocols that were mentioned at the start of the thread?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:24 AM, Mitar <mitar(a)tnode.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>>> Windows is the only major OS that "does it right" and uses the
>>> alternate strategy for ipv6 self-assignment which was added to the
>>> standars later, namely "randomly generate".
>>
>> This is called:
>>
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3041
>>
>>> Linux folks are being stubborn and want to stick to the default that
>>> is specified in the standars as the default.
>>
>> Seems Ubuntu fixed this in 2011 or 2012:
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/176125
>>
>>
>> Mitar
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Hello Folks,
Just you are on the know.
My friend Mike Wilson (not a Sudoer, but kindly building us the gate at the
server area) has planed to come this Friday to do the wire fencing.
Thanks, and please let me know if you have any questions.
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From: "Mitar" <mitar(a)tnode.com>
To: "Jehan Tremback" <jehan.tremback(a)gmail.com>, "Marc Juul" <juul(a)labitat.dk>
Cc: "mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org" <mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: [Mesh] Source of gigabits
Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2017 7:37 PM
Hi!
Maybe instead of Cloyne try CZ (Casa Zimbabwe). Last time I checked
quite a bit of Berkeley and large Oakland buildings were visible from
there. And we have then internal WiFi links from CZ to Cloyne and other
houses.
There are also some photos from roofs if it helps.
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bz0lCyRxvUUTflpZSTBYY2UwVUR0ODV…
Mitar
> I was poking around on Google Earth, and getting to Cloyne seems pretty
> dicey, even from the lowest altitude that google earth can go which was
> probably ~20 feet above the LMI roof. It's in a somewhat low lying and
> heavily vegetated area.
>
> -Jehan
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
>
>> We may have an opportunity to get affordable gigabits from LMI.
>>
>> They may allows us to put an AirFiber node on their roof. I haven't gotten
>> the quote yet but I'm expecting it to be around $1000 per month +/- 50%.
>>
>> We'd need somewhere with line of sight to the LMI rooftop where we can
>> mount a few rooftop node.
>>
>> Does anyone on this list live near this address or know someone who does?
>>
>> One obvious peer would be one of the Berkeley Student Coops, e.g. Cloyne.
>>
>> Can someone use e.g. Google Earth to check line of sight from the LMI roof
>> to the surrounding student coops?
>>
>> The LMI address is:
>>
>> 1700 Martin Luther King Jr Way
>> Berkeley, CA 94709
>>
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I've been reading this:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=B96257CF84CE1CBD7D1E544B431F74E5
and while that book is a lot less to the point than I'd like, it got me
thinking about how the internet is structured in the bay area with regards
to stakeholders, their relationships and their physical connections.
I would like to begin an effort to map this out on our wiki. Who's
interested in helping out?
Here are some of my questions:
Exactly who owns the fiber?
How much do those companies pay the cities/counties to lay the fiber?
Is it mostly run on phone poles or in the ground?
Is it a recurring monthly fee or all up front?
Can anyone lay down fiber?
When someone is laying down fiber, do those companies have to provide an
opportunity for other companies to lay down fiber at the same time
(apparently some cities require this in order to prevent the same street
from being repeatedly dug up)?
Why exactly did Google Fiber give up on the bay area?
Was it too expensive for them to lay down fiber? If so, why is Comcast
special? (they are currently laying down massive fiber in Oakland and
starting to offer 2 GB to the home)
Which internet exchanges exist here and where are they located?
Are the exchanges for-profit companies?
What are the requirements to have a presence at an exchange?
Do the exchanges charge per rack-mounted unit?
Do they charge per peered connection?
How do small ISPs get peering agreements with Level 1 ISPs?
What do those agreements look like?
How do the agreements between AT&T and Comcast resellers work?
Where do wireless ISPs like Unwired get their bandwidth?
How do they physically bring it to their towers?
Where are the major data centers?
Where do data centers get their bandwidth?
How physically separate is Internet2?
Would it make sense for us to get on Internet2?
How would we go about that?
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