(with a major lapse in not actually providing access control mechanisms as is the point of most VPN software),

Yes. Though it is so far less anonymous from inside the local mesh (we're working on this). Also, we should emphasize that this is not a good anonymity solution and that people should use Tor. For those who may be new to sudomesh: The only real purpose of the tunneldigger VPN is to make it much more likely that the mesh organization will be contacted about abuse complaints instead of the individual sharing their Internet connection.

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Jenny Ryan &lt;tunabananas(a)gmail.com <mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com>> wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon 21 Apr 2014 12:28:46 AM PDT, David Keenan wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/21/us/us-promotes-network-to-foil-digital-sp… > lets apply for some of that USAID to fight spying at home? This article is seriously disturbing. I didn't realize OTI was promoting mesh networks as a secure alternative to the Internet. In the Middle East. Maybe someone from the Commotion team is on this list and wants to speak to the actual goals of the project and ways in which the messaging around it could have been miscommunicated by the NYT? "The technology is built from the ground up to be resistant to outside snooping," Mr. Meinrath said... I wonder what he was referring to. If he was referring to mesh networking as used by OTI as the article implies then he's either an idiot or an asshole. I think it's really important we all understand and emphasize to new folks that mesh networks are not by default more secure than other kinds of networks, though they are more resilient. This is why we have monthly cryptoparties at sudo, so we can teach good end-user security hygiene. We can further level up by promoting the use of more trustworthy services, such as Riseup for email and OwnCloud for storage, on the mesh splash page or some such. One bonus point for SudoWRT is that it uses wlan-slovenija's tunneldigger, routing all connections on the public network through a VPN. So actually, our mesh will be more anonymous (insofar as being unable to pin an IP to a specific identity) than most networks. Yes. Though it is so far less anonymous from inside the local mesh (we're working on this). Also, we should emphasize that this is not a good anonymity solution and that people should use Tor. For those who may be new to sudomesh: The only real purpose of the tunneldigger VPN is to make it much more likely that the mesh organization will be contacted about abuse complaints instead of the individual sharing their Internet connection. We are also not funded by the State Dept. - -- Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://sudomesh.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." - -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." - -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` _______________________________________________ mesh mailing list mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:mesh@lists.sudoroom.org> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh _______________________________________________ mesh mailing list mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh

On Sun 27 Apr 2014 03:43:22 PM PDT, brad gaffney wrote: Hey so it's two part: 1. After the node is finished flashing (the green lights are no longer moving up adn ddown the node), take it to the server closet and look for an ethernet cable that has a piece of blue tape with the words node configurator (or something like that). Connect the node to that ethernet cable. The node's power light should turn on. 2. Go to any machine on the sudoroom network (we tend to use the terminal that's directly opposite the server closet) and go to: https://nodeconf.local:8080/

hmm ok try: https://nodeconf.local/ (without the :8080 at the end) On 04/27/2014 04:03 PM, brad gaffney wrote: > Hey, Max. Thanks, we weren't using that cable. When we access the > link we only see the images, and we already downloaded and flashed > the new one. > > > On 04/27/2014 03:55 PM, Max B wrote: >> On Sun 27 Apr 2014 03:43:22 PM PDT, brad gaffney wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Daniel and I are in the sudoroom right now and we are trying to >>> access the configurator so that we can finish reflashing my >>> router. >>> >>> Can someone help us find our way to it, please? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> On 04/21/2014 05:38 PM, Marc Juul wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Jenny Ryan >>>> &lt;tunabananas(a)gmail.com <mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> > On Mon 21 Apr 2014 12:28:46 AM PDT, David Keenan wrote: > > >>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/21/us/us-promotes-network-to-foil-digital-sp… > >> lets apply for some of that USAID to fight spying at home? > This article is seriously disturbing. I didn't realize OTI was > promoting mesh networks as a secure alternative to the Internet. In > the Middle East. Maybe someone from the Commotion team is on this >>>>> list and > wants to speak to the actual goals of the project and ways in which > the messaging around it could have been miscommunicated by the > NYT? > > >>>>> "The technology is built from the ground up to be resistant >>>>> to outside snooping," Mr. Meinrath said... >>>>> I wonder what he was referring to. If he was referring to >>>>> mesh networking as used by OTI as the article implies then >>>>> he's either an idiot or an asshole. > I think it's really important we all understand and emphasize >>>>> to new > folks that mesh networks are not by default more secure than other > kinds of networks, though they are more resilient. This is why we >>>>> have > monthly cryptoparties at sudo, so we can teach good end-user >>>>> security > hygiene. We can further level up by promoting the use of more > trustworthy services, such as Riseup for email and OwnCloud for > storage, on the mesh splash page or some such. > > One bonus point for SudoWRT is that it uses wlan-slovenija's > tunneldigger, routing all connections on the public network >>>>> through a > VPN. So actually, our mesh will be more anonymous (insofar as >>>>> being > unable to pin an IP to a specific identity) than most networks. > > >>>>> Yes. Though it is so far less anonymous from inside the >>>>> local mesh (we're working on this). Also, we should >>>>> emphasize that this is not a good anonymity solution and >>>>> that people should use Tor. For those who may be new to >>>>> sudomesh: The only real purpose of the tunneldigger VPN is >>>>> to make it much more likely that the mesh organization will >>>>> be contacted about abuse complaints instead of the >>>>> individual sharing their Internet connection. > > We are also not funded by the State Dept. > >>>> _______________________________________________ mesh mailing >>>> list mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> <mailto:mesh@lists.sudoroom.org> >>>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ mesh mailing >>>> list mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ mesh mailing >>> list mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh >> Hey so it's two part: 1. After the node is finished flashing (the >> green lights are no longer moving up adn ddown the node), take it >> to the server closet and look for an ethernet cable that has a >> piece of blue tape with the words node configurator (or something >> like that). Connect the node to that ethernet cable. The node's >> power light should turn on. >> >> 2. Go to any machine on the sudoroom network (we tend to use the >> terminal that's directly opposite the server closet) and go to: >> https://nodeconf.local:8080/ >

On Mon 21 Apr 2014 12:28:46 AM PDT, David Keenan wrote: This article is seriously disturbing. I didn't realize OTI was promoting mesh networks as a secure alternative to the Internet. In the Middle East. Maybe someone from the Commotion team is on this list and wants to speak to the actual goals of the project and ways in which the messaging around it could have been miscommunicated by the NYT? I think it's really important we all understand and emphasize to new folks that mesh networks are not by default more secure than other kinds of networks, though they are more resilient. This is why we have monthly cryptoparties at sudo, so we can teach good end-user security hygiene. We can further level up by promoting the use of more trustworthy services, such as Riseup for email and OwnCloud for storage, on the mesh splash page or some such. One bonus point for SudoWRT is that it uses wlan-slovenija's tunneldigger, routing all connections on the public network through a VPN. So actually, our mesh will be more anonymous (insofar as being unable to pin an IP to a specific identity) than most networks. Mitar, do you know of other networks using tunneldigger? We are also not funded by the State Dept. _______________________________________________ mesh mailing list mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh