21 Mar
2014
21 Mar
'14
2:51 a.m.
Hey all,
First version of the network diagram for technical documentation. Hopefully
folks can use a derivative of this to create other graphic diagrams and
drawings for paper manuals, online instructions, etc.
The font is Anaheim, it's open source and online.
// Matt
21 Mar
21 Mar
10:27 a.m.
(resending to incl. mesh)
Excellent drawing, Matt.
I'm not sure how best to represent the VPN part. I thought it extended
from the 2.4GHz nodes all the way to the exit nodes; kind of like a wrapper
(or tunnel; based on perspective). Based on color and location, it looks
like the VPN only extends from relay nodes to the exit nodes.
Maybe that's the way it is and I've got it all wrong. Wouldn't be the
first time. ;)
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On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hey all,
First version of the network diagram for technical documentation.
Hopefully folks can use a derivative of this to create other graphic
diagrams and drawings for paper manuals, online instructions, etc.
The font is Anaheim, it's open source and online.
// Matt
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10:39 a.m.
I'm not sure how best to represent the VPN part. I thought it extended
from the 2.4GHz nodes all the way to the exit nodes; kind of like a wrapper
(or tunnel; based on perspective). Based on color and location, it looks
like the VPN only extends from relay nodes to the exit nodes.
I intended to make the lines thicker to denote that it's a "stronger" or
"bolder" connection since it is taking place through the internet,
(although unencrypted), but via a vpn tunnel. I've updated that part and
can post after more feedback changes. The nodes that do not have lines to
the relay nodes do not have internet connections, and demonstrate how only
some of the nodes on the network need internet connections. This doesn't
currently show traffic moving along the network, but I'll be making a
second diagram animation for that.
Did that accurately address your question?
// Matt
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Matthew Senate
<mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hey all,
First version of the network diagram for technical documentation.
Hopefully folks can use a derivative of this to create other graphic
diagrams and drawings for paper manuals, online instructions, etc.
The font is Anaheim, it's open source and online.
// Matt
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11:05 a.m.
Yes. Thanks.
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(510) 409-0003 - mobile
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I'm not sure how best to represent the VPN part.
I thought it extended
from the 2.4GHz nodes all the way to the exit
nodes; kind of like a wrapper
(or tunnel; based on perspective). Based on color and location, it looks
like the VPN only extends from relay nodes to the exit nodes.
I intended to make the lines thicker to denote that it's a "stronger" or
"bolder" connection since it is taking place through the internet,
(although unencrypted), but via a vpn tunnel. I've updated that part and
can post after more feedback changes. The nodes that do not have lines to
the relay nodes do not have internet connections, and demonstrate how only
some of the nodes on the network need internet connections. This doesn't
currently show traffic moving along the network, but I'll be making a
second diagram animation for that.
Did that accurately address your question?
// Matt
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Matthew Senate
<mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hey all,
First version of the network diagram for technical documentation.
Hopefully folks can use a derivative of this to create other graphic
diagrams and drawings for paper manuals, online instructions, etc.
The font is Anaheim, it's open source and online.
// Matt
_______________________________________________
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12:27 p.m.
Hey guys, I've been absent for this whole time, but I would be super
excited to sit and talk about graphics!
That said, I think you've handled it splendidly.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Chris Jefferies <chris(a)freeranger.com>wrote;wrote:
Yes. Thanks.
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I'm not sure how best to represent the VPN
part. I thought it extended
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from the 2.4GHz nodes all the way to the exit
nodes; kind of like a wrapper
(or tunnel; based on perspective). Based on color and location, it looks
like the VPN only extends from relay nodes to the exit nodes.
I intended to make the lines thicker to denote that it's a "stronger" or
"bolder" connection since it is taking place through the internet,
(although unencrypted), but via a vpn tunnel. I've updated that part and
can post after more feedback changes. The nodes that do not have lines to
the relay nodes do not have internet connections, and demonstrate how only
some of the nodes on the network need internet connections. This doesn't
currently show traffic moving along the network, but I'll be making a
second diagram animation for that.
Did that accurately address your question?
// Matt
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Matthew Senate
<mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hey all,
First version of the network diagram for technical documentation.
Hopefully folks can use a derivative of this to create other graphic
diagrams and drawings for paper manuals, online instructions, etc.
The font is Anaheim, it's open source and online.
// Matt
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9:32 p.m.
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I like the graphic also! It's very nice.
I have one suggestion...
Some minutes later: I decided that instead of giving the suggestion on
words, I worked on the image instead. See what my suggestion is. :)
The part that is needed is the keys. That's how is it called?
Thanks!
On 3/21/14, 12:27 PM, Ryan Evans wrote:
Hey guys, I've been absent for this whole time,
but I would be
super excited to sit and talk about graphics!
That said, I think you've handled it splendidly.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Chris Jefferies
<chris(a)freeranger.com <mailto:chris@freeranger.com>> wrote:
Yes. Thanks.
-- Chris Jefferies (510) 409-0003 <tel:%28510%29%20409-0003> -
mobile
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Matthew Senate
<mattsenate(a)gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm not sure how best to represent the VPN part. I thought it
extended from the 2.4GHz nodes all the way to the exit nodes; kind
of like a wrapper (or tunnel; based on perspective). Based on
color and location, it looks like the VPN only extends from relay
nodes to the exit nodes.
I intended to make the lines thicker to denote that it's a
"stronger" or "bolder" connection since it is taking place through
the internet, (although unencrypted), but via a vpn tunnel. I've
updated that part and can post after more feedback changes. The
nodes that do not have lines to the relay nodes do not have
internet connections, and demonstrate how only some of the nodes on
the network need internet connections. This doesn't currently show
traffic moving along the network, but I'll be making a second
diagram animation for that.
Did that accurately address your question?
// Matt
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Matthew Senate
<mattsenate(a)gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey all,
First version of the network diagram for technical documentation.
Hopefully folks can use a derivative of this to create other
graphic diagrams and drawings for paper manuals, online
instructions, etc.
The font is Anaheim, it's open source and online.
// Matt
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9:37 p.m.
Ryan,
Excellent. It's just the beginning. I hope this encourages folks to spin
out more descriptive diagrams, ones that would demonstrate what Chris is
talking about (i.e. that the vpn connection extends from the node you're
connected through, which is then passed on to the next node with an
internet connection), but also ones that are simply more accessible, or
coupled with descriptions, documentation, etc.
Somebody,
Interesting suggestion. Thanks for hacking! I can see why you would want to
invert the graphic, but what value does it provide? I intentionally started
the diagram with the local network at the top. Why start with the internet?
// Matt
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Somebody <somebody(a)riseup.net> wrote:
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I like the graphic also! It's very nice.
I have one suggestion...
Some minutes later: I decided that instead of giving the suggestion on
words, I worked on the image instead. See what my suggestion is. :)
The part that is needed is the keys. That's how is it called?
Thanks!
On 3/21/14, 12:27 PM, Ryan Evans wrote:
Hey guys, I've been absent for this whole
time, but I would be
super excited to sit and talk about graphics!
That said, I think you've handled it splendidly.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Chris Jefferies
<chris(a)freeranger.com <mailto:chris@freeranger.com>> wrote:
Yes. Thanks.
-- Chris Jefferies (510) 409-0003 <tel:%28510%29%20409-0003> -
mobile
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Matthew Senate
<mattsenate(a)gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm not sure how best to represent the VPN part. I thought it
extended from the 2.4GHz nodes all the way to the exit nodes; kind
of like a wrapper (or tunnel; based on perspective). Based on
color and location, it looks like the VPN only extends from relay
nodes to the exit nodes.
I intended to make the lines thicker to denote that it's a
"stronger" or "bolder" connection since it is taking place through
the internet, (although unencrypted), but via a vpn tunnel. I've
updated that part and can post after more feedback changes. The
nodes that do not have lines to the relay nodes do not have
internet connections, and demonstrate how only some of the nodes on
the network need internet connections. This doesn't currently show
traffic moving along the network, but I'll be making a second
diagram animation for that.
Did that accurately address your question?
// Matt
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Matthew Senate
<mattsenate(a)gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey all,
First version of the network diagram for technical documentation.
Hopefully folks can use a derivative of this to create other
graphic diagrams and drawings for paper manuals, online
instructions, etc.
The font is Anaheim, it's open source and online.
// Matt
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In my mind see the Mesh Network come from ground up, from the home's
walls and roofs showering the streets and then taking off to the sky.
Well, that is how my mind sees the Mesh. :)
On 3/21/14, 9:37 PM, Matthew Senate wrote:
Ryan,
Excellent. It's just the beginning. I hope this encourages folks to
spin out more descriptive diagrams, ones that would demonstrate
what Chris is talking about (i.e. that the vpn connection extends
from the node you're connected through, which is then passed on to
the next node with an internet connection), but also ones that are
simply more accessible, or coupled with descriptions,
documentation, etc.
Somebody,
Interesting suggestion. Thanks for hacking! I can see why you would
want to invert the graphic, but what value does it provide? I
intentionally started the diagram with the local network at the
top. Why start with the internet?
// Matt
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Somebody <somebody(a)riseup.net
<mailto:somebody@riseup.net>> wrote:
I like the graphic also! It's very nice.
I have one suggestion...
Some minutes later: I decided that instead of giving the suggestion
on words, I worked on the image instead. See what my suggestion is.
:)
The part that is needed is the keys. That's how is it called?
Thanks!
On 3/21/14, 12:27 PM, Ryan Evans wrote:
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Hey guys, I've been absent for this whole
time, but I would be
super excited to sit and talk about graphics!
That said, I think you've handled it
splendidly.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Chris Jefferies
<chris(a)freeranger.com <mailto:chris@freeranger.com>
<mailto:chris@freeranger.com <mailto:chris@freeranger.com>>>
wrote:
Yes. Thanks.
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<tel:%28510%29%20409-0003> -
mobile
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Matthew Senate
<mattsenate(a)gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>
<mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>>>
wrote:
I'm not sure how best to represent the VPN
part. I thought it
extended from the 2.4GHz nodes all the way to the exit nodes;
kind of like a wrapper (or tunnel; based on perspective). Based
on color and location, it looks like the VPN only extends from
relay nodes to the exit nodes.
I intended to make the lines thicker to denote
that it's a
"stronger" or "bolder" connection since it is taking place
through the internet, (although unencrypted), but via a vpn
tunnel. I've updated that part and can post after more feedback
changes. The nodes that do not have lines to the relay nodes do
not have internet connections, and demonstrate how only some of
the nodes on the network need internet connections. This doesn't
currently show traffic moving along the network, but I'll be
making a second diagram animation for that.
Did that accurately address your question?
// Matt
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Matthew Senate
<mattsenate(a)gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>
<mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>>>
wrote:
Hey all,
First version of the network diagram for
technical
documentation. Hopefully folks can use a derivative of this to
create other graphic diagrams and drawings for paper manuals,
online instructions, etc.
The font is Anaheim, it's open source and
online.
// Matt
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22 Mar
11:42 a.m.
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On Fri 21 Mar 2014 09:43:30 PM PDT, Somebody wrote:
In my mind see the Mesh Network come from ground up,
from the home's
walls and roofs showering the streets and then taking off to the sky.
Well, that is how my mind sees the Mesh. :)
<3 Gotta concur with somebody, here :)
from the bottom up!
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://sudomesh.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
- -Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
- -Stéphane Mallarmé
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5:58 p.m.
That would be a simple top to bottom flip of the image, right?
Another way to imagine it would be that the home (the individual) is at the
top. Each individual personal connection is at the top and below it is all
the infrastructure.
The node near my house is in the sky, but as soon as it connects to the
internet it's going underground in fiber tubes buried next to the highways
that criss-cross the nation and the world.
I suppose that in a pure wifi-mesh system, unconnected to the internet, it
could be considered an air only, connected from above, system.
However we look at it, I think it is important that we find a way to impart
a meaningful, shared conceptual model of what we're building. Only with a
model that people can understand quickly and at a high level will it get
traction. We don't want to mislead or pander only to the lowest common
denominator but we want it to be right sized, if you will, to our goal of
educating the public.
I think, that when we are looking for the balance of high level
abstractions to low level technical details, that we should ere a bit on
the side of technical. I know I get frustrated with descriptions of
technology that use a false abstraction in an attempt to make a challenging
idea accessible to those who are unfamiliar with those ideas.
My 4c... ;)
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(510) 409-0003 - mobile
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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On Fri 21 Mar 2014 09:43:30 PM PDT, Somebody wrote:
In my mind see the Mesh Network come from ground
up, from the home's
walls and roofs showering the streets and then taking off to the sky.
Well, that is how my mind sees the Mesh. :)
<3 Gotta concur with somebody, here :)
from the bottom up!
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://sudomesh.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
- -Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
- -Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
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7:45 p.m.
All of this up or down discussion doesn't make much sense to me.
Network diagrams are either completely abstract with no up or down, or
they relate to real-world topographies as seen from above, usually
with the top being North.
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Chris Jefferies <chris(a)freeranger.com> wrote:
That would be a simple top to bottom flip of the
image, right?
Another way to imagine it would be that the home (the individual) is at the
top. Each individual personal connection is at the top and below it is all
the infrastructure.
The node near my house is in the sky, but as soon as it connects to the
internet it's going underground in fiber tubes buried next to the highways
that criss-cross the nation and the world.
I suppose that in a pure wifi-mesh system, unconnected to the internet, it
could be considered an air only, connected from above, system.
However we look at it, I think it is important that we find a way to impart
a meaningful, shared conceptual model of what we're building. Only with a
model that people can understand quickly and at a high level will it get
traction. We don't want to mislead or pander only to the lowest common
denominator but we want it to be right sized, if you will, to our goal of
educating the public.
I think, that when we are looking for the balance of high level abstractions
to low level technical details, that we should ere a bit on the side of
technical. I know I get frustrated with descriptions of technology that use
a false abstraction in an attempt to make a challenging idea accessible to
those who are unfamiliar with those ideas.
My 4c... ;)
--
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(510) 409-0003 - mobile
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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In my mind see the Mesh Network come from ground
up, from the home's
walls and roofs showering the streets and then taking off to the sky.
Well, that is how my mind sees the Mesh. :)
<3 Gotta concur with somebody, here :)
from the bottom up!
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://sudomesh.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
- -Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
- -Stéphane Mallarmé
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11:14 p.m.
I think everyone's comments have been helpful. Attached is an updated
version of the diagram, though you can see that there are really only minor
tweaks and not a major reorganization. I decided that for the purposes of
this diagram, since the eye comes across it more or less from the top that
the primary focal point should be the Local Area Network, even if
emotionally we know it to be a bottom-up concept. Graphically, having the
internet at the top doesn't come off as legible to me without other
elements, say dirt, grass and such. The subtlety is that essentially,
outside the LAN bubble of this diagram is the open space of other networks,
namely including connections that go to and include the global internet.
I think what Chris points out is helpful too since we can basically shake
this diagram from any particular node, in order to orient our view toward a
particular topic, purpose, point of view, end user, developer, etc.
However, that can take place in additional diagrams, and I really want this
to be a basic reference. As for the end users, I completely agree and plan
to make a diagram from the perspective of the home router, showing how
traffic passes into and out of your home. I think the pair of these
diagrams tells a whole story: how I fit in at home, and how the network
functionally works on a fundamental level.
Any diagrams to explain the rest of the internet itself would be swell. Any
links? This one is a bit much:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Internet_map_1024_-_tra…
this
one not enough:
http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/tubes.jpg
// Matt
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
All of this up or down discussion doesn't make
much sense to me.
Network diagrams are either completely abstract with no up or down, or
they relate to real-world topographies as seen from above, usually
with the top being North.
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Chris Jefferies <chris(a)freeranger.com>
wrote:
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That would be a simple top to bottom flip of the
image, right?
Another way to imagine it would be that the home (the individual) is at
the
top. Each individual personal connection is at
the top and below it is
all
the infrastructure.
The node near my house is in the sky, but as soon as it connects to the
internet it's going underground in fiber tubes buried next to the
highways
that criss-cross the nation and the world.
I suppose that in a pure wifi-mesh system, unconnected to the internet,
it
could be considered an air only, connected from
above, system.
However we look at it, I think it is important that we find a way to
impart
a meaningful, shared conceptual model of what
we're building. Only with
a
model that people can understand quickly and at a
high level will it get
traction. We don't want to mislead or pander only to the lowest common
denominator but we want it to be right sized, if you will, to our goal of
educating the public.
I think, that when we are looking for the balance of high level
abstractions
to low level technical details, that we should
ere a bit on the side of
technical. I know I get frustrated with descriptions of technology that
use
a false abstraction in an attempt to make a
challenging idea accessible
to
those who are unfamiliar with those ideas.
My 4c... ;)
--
Chris Jefferies
(510) 409-0003 - mobile
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
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In my mind see the Mesh Network come from ground
up, from the home's
walls and roofs showering the streets and then taking off to the sky.
Well, that is how my mind sees the Mesh. :)
<3 Gotta concur with somebody, here :)
from the bottom up!
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://sudomesh.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
- -Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
- -Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
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27 Mar
12:05 a.m.
Updates, clarifying what we mean by "local area network" which was too
generic, hence just using the actual name is fine "The People's Open
Network" which indeed is "(local)"
Also updated the Relay Node description, replacing "Virtual Private
Network" with the term "Virtual Public Network" or VPuN, which has roots
in
GNUnet https://gnunet.org/gnunet-vpn and is situated in this historical
piece
http://www.isaca.org/Journal/Past-Issues/2001/Volume-3/Pages/Virtual-Privat…
I also updated the language to denote Relay Nodes as "Tunnel Server &
Client" because this is accurate based on the software used on these
servers, an IP tunnel package developed by WLAN-Slovenija folks:
TunnelDigger.
While TunnelDigger technically qualifies as "Virtual Private Network"
software (with a major lapse in not actually providing access control
mechanisms as is the point of most VPN software), this label is actually
more generic than what we need (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VPN#Unencrypted_tunnels), especially when
there is a socially and historically situated alternative that is both more
descriptive and mission-consistent with sudo mesh's work: Virtual Public
Network (VPuN).
So, who wants to write the Wikipedia article on Virtual Public Networks? ;)
Many thanks to Marc, Mitar, and everyone for drawing this out, I think we
have a good labeling system and sufficient justification for all names.
Cheers!
// Matt
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I think everyone's comments have been helpful.
Attached is an updated
version of the diagram, though you can see that there are really only minor
tweaks and not a major reorganization. I decided that for the purposes of
this diagram, since the eye comes across it more or less from the top that
the primary focal point should be the Local Area Network, even if
emotionally we know it to be a bottom-up concept. Graphically, having the
internet at the top doesn't come off as legible to me without other
elements, say dirt, grass and such. The subtlety is that essentially,
outside the LAN bubble of this diagram is the open space of other networks,
namely including connections that go to and include the global internet.
I think what Chris points out is helpful too since we can basically shake
this diagram from any particular node, in order to orient our view toward a
particular topic, purpose, point of view, end user, developer, etc.
However, that can take place in additional diagrams, and I really want this
to be a basic reference. As for the end users, I completely agree and plan
to make a diagram from the perspective of the home router, showing how
traffic passes into and out of your home. I think the pair of these
diagrams tells a whole story: how I fit in at home, and how the network
functionally works on a fundamental level.
Any diagrams to explain the rest of the internet itself would be swell.
Any links? This one is a bit much:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Internet_map_1024_-_tra…
this
one not enough:
http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/tubes.jpg
// Matt
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
All of this up or down discussion doesn't
make much sense to me.
Network diagrams are either completely abstract with no up or down, or
they relate to real-world topographies as seen from above, usually
with the top being North.
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Chris Jefferies <chris(a)freeranger.com>
wrote:
_______________________________________________
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That would be a simple top to bottom flip of the
image, right?
Another way to imagine it would be that the home (the individual) is at
the
top. Each individual personal connection is at
the top and below it is
all
the infrastructure.
The node near my house is in the sky, but as soon as it connects to the
internet it's going underground in fiber tubes buried next to the
highways
that criss-cross the nation and the world.
I suppose that in a pure wifi-mesh system, unconnected to the internet,
it
could be considered an air only, connected from
above, system.
However we look at it, I think it is important that we find a way to
impart
a meaningful, shared conceptual model of what
we're building. Only
with a
model that people can understand quickly and at a
high level will it get
traction. We don't want to mislead or pander only to the lowest common
denominator but we want it to be right sized, if you will, to our goal
of
educating the public.
I think, that when we are looking for the balance of high level
abstractions
to low level technical details, that we should
ere a bit on the side of
technical. I know I get frustrated with descriptions of technology
that use
a false abstraction in an attempt to make a
challenging idea accessible
to
those who are unfamiliar with those ideas.
My 4c... ;)
--
Chris Jefferies
(510) 409-0003 - mobile
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
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> In my mind see the Mesh Network come from ground up, from the home's
> walls and roofs showering the streets and then taking off to the sky.
>
> Well, that is how my mind sees the Mesh. :)
>
<3 Gotta concur with somebody, here :)
from the bottom up!
Jenny
http://jennyryan.net
http://sudomesh.org
http://thevirtualcampfire.org
http://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
- -Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
- -Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Updates, clarifying what we mean by "local area
network" which was too
generic, hence just using the actual name is fine "The People's Open
Network" which indeed is "(local)"
Also updated the Relay Node description, replacing "Virtual Private
Network" with the term "Virtual Public Network" or VPuN, which has roots
in
GNUnet https://gnunet.org/gnunet-vpn and is situated in this historical
piece
http://www.isaca.org/Journal/Past-Issues/2001/Volume-3/Pages/Virtual-Privat…
I also updated the language to denote Relay Nodes as "Tunnel Server &
Client" because this is accurate based on the software used on these
servers, an IP tunnel package developed by WLAN-Slovenija folks:
TunnelDigger.
While TunnelDigger technically qualifies as "Virtual Private Network"
software (with a major lapse in not actually providing access control
mechanisms as is the point of most VPN software), this label is actually
more generic than what we need (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VPN#Unencrypted_tunnels), especially when
there is a socially and historically situated alternative that is both more
descriptive and mission-consistent with sudo mesh's work: Virtual Public
Network (VPuN).
So, who wants to write the Wikipedia article on Virtual Public Networks? ;)
Many thanks to Marc, Mitar, and everyone for drawing this out, I think we
have a good labeling system and sufficient justification for all names.
Cheers!
// Matt
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I think everyone's comments have been
helpful. Attached is an updated
version of the diagram, though you can see that there are really only minor
tweaks and not a major reorganization. I decided that for the purposes of
this diagram, since the eye comes across it more or less from the top that
the primary focal point should be the Local Area Network, even if
emotionally we know it to be a bottom-up concept. Graphically, having the
internet at the top doesn't come off as legible to me without other
elements, say dirt, grass and such. The subtlety is that essentially,
outside the LAN bubble of this diagram is the open space of other networks,
namely including connections that go to and include the global internet.
I think what Chris points out is helpful too since we can basically shake
this diagram from any particular node, in order to orient our view toward a
particular topic, purpose, point of view, end user, developer, etc.
However, that can take place in additional diagrams, and I really want this
to be a basic reference. As for the end users, I completely agree and plan
to make a diagram from the perspective of the home router, showing how
traffic passes into and out of your home. I think the pair of these
diagrams tells a whole story: how I fit in at home, and how the network
functionally works on a fundamental level.
Any diagrams to explain the rest of the internet itself would be swell.
Any links? This one is a bit much:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Internet_map_1024_-_tra…
this
one not enough:
http://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/tubes.jpg
// Matt
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
All of this up or down discussion doesn't
make much sense to me.
Network diagrams are either completely abstract with no up or down, or
they relate to real-world topographies as seen from above, usually
with the top being North.
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Chris Jefferies <chris(a)freeranger.com>
wrote:
That would be a simple top to bottom flip of the
image, right?
Another way to imagine it would be that the home (the individual) is
at the
top. Each individual personal connection is at
the top and below it
is all
the infrastructure.
The node near my house is in the sky, but as soon as it connects to the
internet it's going underground in fiber tubes buried next to the
highways
that criss-cross the nation and the world.
I suppose that in a pure wifi-mesh system, unconnected to the
internet, it
could be considered an air only, connected from
above, system.
However we look at it, I think it is important that we find a way to
impart
a meaningful, shared conceptual model of what
we're building. Only
with a
model that people can understand quickly and at a
high level will it
get
traction. We don't want to mislead or pander
only to the lowest common
denominator but we want it to be right sized, if you will, to our goal
of
educating the public.
I think, that when we are looking for the balance of high level
abstractions
to low level technical details, that we should
ere a bit on the side of
technical. I know I get frustrated with descriptions of technology
that use
a false abstraction in an attempt to make a
challenging idea
accessible to
those who are unfamiliar with those ideas.
My 4c... ;)
--
Chris Jefferies
(510) 409-0003 - mobile
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
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> On Fri 21 Mar 2014 09:43:30 PM PDT, Somebody wrote:
> > In my mind see the Mesh Network come from ground up, from the home's
> > walls and roofs showering the streets and then taking off to the
sky.
> >
> > Well, that is how my mind sees the Mesh. :)
> >
>
> <3 Gotta concur with somebody, here :)
> from the bottom up!
>
> Jenny
> http://jennyryan.net
> http://sudomesh.org
> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>
> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
> - -Laurie Anderson
>
> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
> it."
> -Hannah Arendt
>
> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
> - -Stéphane Mallarmé
> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
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5:38 p.m.
Instead of Virtual Prival Network, I think it should be VPN: Virtual
Public Network, or VPM: Virtual Public Mesh.
I also really think we should change Local Area Network, to Local
Network or Local Public Network or Local Free Network, since the term
Local Area Network means something even more local in a lot of
people's minds. It may be confusing because this is what we call the
private tiny networks in peoples' houses and many routers have LAN
ports. These LAN ports will not be connected to the LAN in this image.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
First version of the network diagram for technical documentation. Hopefully
folks can use a derivative of this to create other graphic diagrams and
drawings for paper manuals, online instructions, etc.
The font is Anaheim, it's open source and online.
// Matt
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