1 Feb
2013
1 Feb
'13
9:03 p.m.
Hi. Im new to meshing. Ive been scouring the web though since November. ;)
Im currently purchasing 2 WNDR3800's to flash with OpenWrt and use either
batman-adv or olsr.
I am having trouble choosing between batman and olsr. Discussions online
seem to suggest development for olsr ongoing whereas its implied that
batman dev has gone stagnant? But batman is preinstalled on byzantium live
cds.
Also, I've been hanging out on efnet irc (#cjdns, #seattlemeshnet, etc)
with folks involved with cjdns. Pretty happening project. They got some
tunneled network called (#)Hyperboria. The way that network works is with
pgp key exchanges and you gotta actually approach some one to get in. Also
ipv6 native.
Im hoping to set up a linux box as a cjdns node and expose people to it via
nat66??? But my main objective is to (educate how to) install/modify
consumer routers to link up a olsr (or batman) network. Lots more work
ahead.
I also ran into open-mesh on my quest. I understand 510open encourages use
of their routers. Also from what I understand their older models (which I
believe are [broken-]linked to on their website) are preinstalled with
Robin, which I have no knowledge of but willing to explore. The newer
models (online discussions suggest) use NG, with which I am also
unfamiliar. Perhaps Mark D has more info?
Im hopin my energy here in Exelsior, SF can mesh well with whats going on
at 510pen. Perhaps more compatibilty in the future? Im definitely hoping to
bridge the gap with Seattles cjdns eventually. Though they already got a
decent following of testers internationally.
Anyway, cheers everyone!
Alcides Gutierrez
VaporOne.com
6 Feb
6 Feb
4:19 p.m.
Hi Alcides,
BATMAN is still very much under development - batman-adv 2013.0.0 was
released on Jan. 15th, see
http://www.open-mesh.org/projects/open-mesh/wiki/2013-01-15-batman-adv-2013….
open-mesh's NG firmware uses batman-adv kernel module.
As far as routers go, I have set up folks with open-mesh equipment because
it works off the shelf. However I am not (yet) committed to any particular
hardware or software or protocol, I consider 510pen to be a research and
development project - mixed with as much real-world deployment in the
community as we have volunteers to work on!
By the way - I'm curious how excited folks are about meeting up this week.
I was also thinking about attending Cory Doctorow's book reading -
https://www.eff.org/event/cory-doctorow-booksmith and having the next
meetup next Thursday - unless a lot of folks were planning to be there :)
--mark B.
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Alcides Gutierrez <alcides888(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi. Im new to meshing. Ive been scouring the web
though since November. ;)
Im currently purchasing 2 WNDR3800's to flash with OpenWrt and use either
batman-adv or olsr.
I am having trouble choosing between batman and olsr. Discussions online
seem to suggest development for olsr ongoing whereas its implied that
batman dev has gone stagnant? But batman is preinstalled on byzantium live
cds.
Also, I've been hanging out on efnet irc (#cjdns, #seattlemeshnet, etc)
with folks involved with cjdns. Pretty happening project. They got some
tunneled network called (#)Hyperboria. The way that network works is with
pgp key exchanges and you gotta actually approach some one to get in. Also
ipv6 native.
Im hoping to set up a linux box as a cjdns node and expose people to it
via nat66??? But my main objective is to (educate how to) install/modify
consumer routers to link up a olsr (or batman) network. Lots more work
ahead.
I also ran into open-mesh on my quest. I understand 510open encourages use
of their routers. Also from what I understand their older models (which I
believe are [broken-]linked to on their website) are preinstalled with
Robin, which I have no knowledge of but willing to explore. The newer
models (online discussions suggest) use NG, with which I am also
unfamiliar. Perhaps Mark D has more info?
Im hopin my energy here in Exelsior, SF can mesh well with whats going on
at 510pen. Perhaps more compatibilty in the future? Im definitely hoping to
bridge the gap with Seattles cjdns eventually. Though they already got a
decent following of testers internationally.
Anyway, cheers everyone!
Alcides Gutierrez
VaporOne.com
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4:37 p.m.
Nice. I did find out that both olsr and batman-adv are ongoing efforts. I
dropped by #batman on freenode and feel like batman-adv is a good option
for me to start with. Good to see that NG also uses batman. I have been
reading as many docs on batman to get up to speed.
Hoping different firmwares wont be a major issue if batman is the common
protocol. Im gonna test out DDwrt on my e2000 and OpenWrt on two
wndr3800's. See how traffic flows.
Im meeting with Jenny tomorrow at sudo aboit 530. I would enjoy making it
out every Thursday if there's a gathering. Basically, what I do everyday
with my free time is explore what I can with mesh networking.
We can meet up next week if you like. Or if people wanna meet tomorrow, Im
cool with that too!
Alcides Gutierrez
http://e64.us
On Feb 6, 2013 4:20 PM, "mark burdett" <mark(a)510pen.org> wrote:
Hi Alcides,
BATMAN is still very much under development - batman-adv 2013.0.0 was
released on Jan. 15th, see
http://www.open-mesh.org/projects/open-mesh/wiki/2013-01-15-batman-adv-2013….
open-mesh's NG firmware uses batman-adv kernel module.
As far as routers go, I have set up folks with open-mesh equipment because
it works off the shelf. However I am not (yet) committed to any particular
hardware or software or protocol, I consider 510pen to be a research and
development project - mixed with as much real-world deployment in the
community as we have volunteers to work on!
By the way - I'm curious how excited folks are about meeting up this week.
I was also thinking about attending Cory Doctorow's book reading -
https://www.eff.org/event/cory-doctorow-booksmith and having the next
meetup next Thursday - unless a lot of folks were planning to be there :)
--mark B.
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Alcides Gutierrez <alcides888(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi. Im new to meshing. Ive been scouring the web
though since November.
;) Im currently purchasing 2 WNDR3800's to flash with OpenWrt and use
either batman-adv or olsr.
I am having trouble choosing between batman and olsr. Discussions online
seem to suggest development for olsr ongoing whereas its implied that
batman dev has gone stagnant? But batman is preinstalled on byzantium live
cds.
Also, I've been hanging out on efnet irc (#cjdns, #seattlemeshnet, etc)
with folks involved with cjdns. Pretty happening project. They got some
tunneled network called (#)Hyperboria. The way that network works is with
pgp key exchanges and you gotta actually approach some one to get in. Also
ipv6 native.
Im hoping to set up a linux box as a cjdns node and expose people to it
via nat66??? But my main objective is to (educate how to) install/modify
consumer routers to link up a olsr (or batman) network. Lots more work
ahead.
I also ran into open-mesh on my quest. I understand 510open encourages
use of their routers. Also from what I understand their older models (which
I believe are [broken-]linked to on their website) are preinstalled with
Robin, which I have no knowledge of but willing to explore. The newer
models (online discussions suggest) use NG, with which I am also
unfamiliar. Perhaps Mark D has more info?
Im hopin my energy here in Exelsior, SF can mesh well with whats going on
at 510pen. Perhaps more compatibilty in the future? Im definitely hoping to
bridge the gap with Seattles cjdns eventually. Though they already got a
decent following of testers internationally.
Anyway, cheers everyone!
Alcides Gutierrez
VaporOne.com
_______________________________________________
mesh mailing list
mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh
5:02 p.m.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Alcides Gutierrez <alcides888(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Nice. I did find out that both olsr and batman-adv are
ongoing efforts. I
dropped by #batman on freenode and feel like batman-adv is a good option for
me to start with. Good to see that NG also uses batman. I have been reading
as many docs on batman to get up to speed.
There are several other protocols out there. The main one I'm seeing
in use other than OLSR and batman-adv is Babel. Babel is apparently
really easy to work with. I asked the Project Byzantium people why
they chose it, and they said there was only one reason: simplicity of
deployment.
Jenny and I have gathered some relevant facts about meshing protocols
here: http://thepyre.org/wiki/Mesh#Meshing_protocols_and_algorithms
Hoping different firmwares wont be a major issue if
batman is the common
protocol. Im gonna test out DDwrt on my e2000 and OpenWrt on two wndr3800's.
See how traffic flows.
Cool. Maybe you already know this, but DD-WRT is not really open
source / free software. There are add-in modules that they want you to
pay for, and it's apparently very difficult to compile from source. I
tried using it once, and ran into a showstopper when I realized
there's no way to disable console output on the primary serial port
(meaning you can't use it for anything else).
Im meeting with Jenny tomorrow at sudo aboit 530. I
would enjoy making it
out every Thursday if there's a gathering. Basically, what I do everyday
with my free time is explore what I can with mesh networking.
We can meet up next week if you like. Or if people wanna meet tomorrow, Im
cool with that too!
I'm also ok either way.
--
Marc Juul
5:14 p.m.
Hi. I bumped into the three protocols about the same time along my journey.
Didnt really explore babel as much as the other two. Later noticed WDS and
a roster of others, but like you implied, these three were most popular.
I was trying to steer clear of DD-WRT for the reason you stated about open
source. But OpenWrt seems to be at a standstill when it comes to Linksys
e2000 because of Broadcom proprietary mumbo jumbo... ;)
I thought about Tomatoes but that seems like a world of worlds... Im still
trying to get adjusted to linux (debian flavors).
Thanks for the link. I love links! :) I look forward to meeting folks.
Alcides Gutierrez
http://e64.us
On Feb 6, 2013 5:02 PM, "Marc Juul" <marcjc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Alcides Gutierrez
<alcides888(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Nice. I did find out that both olsr and
batman-adv are ongoing efforts. I
dropped by #batman on freenode and feel like batman-adv is a good option
for
me to start with. Good to see that NG also uses
batman. I have been
reading
as many docs on batman to get up to speed.
There are several other protocols out there. The main one I'm seeing
in use other than OLSR and batman-adv is Babel. Babel is apparently
really easy to work with. I asked the Project Byzantium people why
they chose it, and they said there was only one reason: simplicity of
deployment.
Jenny and I have gathered some relevant facts about meshing protocols
here: http://thepyre.org/wiki/Mesh#Meshing_protocols_and_algorithms
Hoping different firmwares wont be a major issue
if batman is the common
protocol. Im gonna test out DDwrt on my e2000 and OpenWrt on two
wndr3800's.
See how traffic flows.
Cool. Maybe you already know this, but DD-WRT is not really open
source / free software. There are add-in modules that they want you to
pay for, and it's apparently very difficult to compile from source. I
tried using it once, and ran into a showstopper when I realized
there's no way to disable console output on the primary serial port
(meaning you can't use it for anything else).
Im meeting with Jenny tomorrow at sudo aboit 530.
I would enjoy making it
out every Thursday if there's a gathering. Basically, what I do everyday
with my free time is explore what I can with mesh networking.
We can meet up next week if you like. Or if people wanna meet tomorrow,
Im
cool with that too!
I'm also ok either way.
--
Marc Juul
5:24 p.m.
One of these days, hackers need to start boycotting proprietary broadcom
hardware - including raspberry pi! otherwise we'll never arrive at the
open hardware future :)
--mark B.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Alcides Gutierrez <alcides888(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi. I bumped into the three protocols about the same
time along my
journey. Didnt really explore babel as much as the other two. Later noticed
WDS and a roster of others, but like you implied, these three were most
popular.
I was trying to steer clear of DD-WRT for the reason you stated about open
source. But OpenWrt seems to be at a standstill when it comes to Linksys
e2000 because of Broadcom proprietary mumbo jumbo... ;)
I thought about Tomatoes but that seems like a world of worlds... Im still
trying to get adjusted to linux (debian flavors).
Thanks for the link. I love links! :) I look forward to meeting folks.
Alcides Gutierrez
http://e64.us
On Feb 6, 2013 5:02 PM, "Marc Juul" <marcjc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Alcides Gutierrez
<alcides888(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Nice. I did find out that both olsr and
batman-adv are ongoing efforts.
I
dropped by #batman on freenode and feel like
batman-adv is a good
option for
me to start with. Good to see that NG also uses
batman. I have been
reading
as many docs on batman to get up to speed.
There are several other protocols out there. The main one I'm seeing
in use other than OLSR and batman-adv is Babel. Babel is apparently
really easy to work with. I asked the Project Byzantium people why
they chose it, and they said there was only one reason: simplicity of
deployment.
Jenny and I have gathered some relevant facts about meshing protocols
here: http://thepyre.org/wiki/Mesh#Meshing_protocols_and_algorithms
Hoping different firmwares wont be a major issue
if batman is the common
protocol. Im gonna test out DDwrt on my e2000 and OpenWrt on two
wndr3800's.
See how traffic flows.
Cool. Maybe you already know this, but DD-WRT is not really open
source / free software. There are add-in modules that they want you to
pay for, and it's apparently very difficult to compile from source. I
tried using it once, and ran into a showstopper when I realized
there's no way to disable console output on the primary serial port
(meaning you can't use it for anything else).
Im meeting with Jenny tomorrow at sudo aboit 530.
I would enjoy making
it
out every Thursday if there's a gathering.
Basically, what I do everyday
with my free time is explore what I can with mesh networking.
We can meet up next week if you like. Or if people wanna meet tomorrow,
Im
cool with that too!
I'm also ok either way.
--
Marc Juul
5:41 p.m.
Marc, I've switched to http://wiki.tidepools.co as I continue research for
OTI, so will need to update the pyre wiki as we move forward. The mesh
protocol/hardware/firmware etc research is in the Mesh Projects Directory
link on the sidebar. :)
I will be at sudo tomorrow since there's an Oakland Digital Divide mtg at 7
and will be meeting with Alcides beforehand. Mark, if you can't make it
that's fine - I would love to hear Doctorow speak, myself! We'll see who
shows up and go from there.
As part of my internship with the Open Technology Institute, I'm designing
use cases for a mobile mapping application designed to run on community
mesh networks. While discussions of the technology that mesh runs on are
interesting and pertinent, so too is the issue of community adoption and
engagement. There's a whole world of possibilities for providing services
beyond just connectivity to folks on the mesh -mapping community resources,
neighborhood bulletin boards for local job listings and events, hooking up
with sensor data from seismometers and Geiger counters, community crime
watch, emergency response tools, etc;
Excited to talk more with y'all tomorrow!
On Feb 6, 2013 5:25 PM, "mark burdett" <mark(a)510pen.org> wrote:
One of these days, hackers need to start boycotting
proprietary broadcom
hardware - including raspberry pi! otherwise we'll never arrive at the
open hardware future :)
--mark B.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Alcides Gutierrez <alcides888(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Hi. I bumped into the three protocols about the
same time along my
journey. Didnt really explore babel as much as the other two. Later noticed
WDS and a roster of others, but like you implied, these three were most
popular.
I was trying to steer clear of DD-WRT for the reason you stated about
open source. But OpenWrt seems to be at a standstill when it comes to
Linksys e2000 because of Broadcom proprietary mumbo jumbo... ;)
I thought about Tomatoes but that seems like a world of worlds... Im
still trying to get adjusted to linux (debian flavors).
Thanks for the link. I love links! :) I look forward to meeting folks.
Alcides Gutierrez
http://e64.us
On Feb 6, 2013 5:02 PM, "Marc Juul" <marcjc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Alcides Gutierrez
<alcides888(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Nice. I did find out that both olsr and
batman-adv are ongoing
efforts. I
dropped by #batman on freenode and feel like
batman-adv is a good
option for
me to start with. Good to see that NG also uses
batman. I have been
reading
as many docs on batman to get up to speed.
There are several other protocols out there. The main one I'm seeing
in use other than OLSR and batman-adv is Babel. Babel is apparently
really easy to work with. I asked the Project Byzantium people why
they chose it, and they said there was only one reason: simplicity of
deployment.
Jenny and I have gathered some relevant facts about meshing protocols
here: http://thepyre.org/wiki/Mesh#Meshing_protocols_and_algorithms
Hoping different firmwares wont be a major issue
if batman is the
common
protocol. Im gonna test out DDwrt on my e2000 and
OpenWrt on two
wndr3800's.
See how traffic flows.
Cool. Maybe you already know this, but DD-WRT is not really open
source / free software. There are add-in modules that they want you to
pay for, and it's apparently very difficult to compile from source. I
tried using it once, and ran into a showstopper when I realized
there's no way to disable console output on the primary serial port
(meaning you can't use it for anything else).
Im meeting with Jenny tomorrow at sudo aboit 530.
I would enjoy making
it
out every Thursday if there's a gathering.
Basically, what I do
everyday
with my free time is explore what I can with mesh
networking.
We can meet up next week if you like. Or if people wanna meet
tomorrow, Im
cool with that too!
I'm also ok either way.
--
Marc Juul
7 Feb
7 Feb
8:16 p.m.
I'm not going to make it there at 8:30pm but if folks are meeting up ping
me on IRC and I could drop by a bit later :)
--mark B.
On Feb 6, 2013 5:42 PM, "Jenny Ryan" <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Marc, I've switched to http://wiki.tidepools.co as
I continue research
for OTI, so will need to update the pyre wiki as we move forward. The mesh
protocol/hardware/firmware etc research is in the Mesh Projects Directory
link on the sidebar. :)
I will be at sudo tomorrow since there's an Oakland Digital Divide mtg at
7 and will be meeting with Alcides beforehand. Mark, if you can't make it
that's fine - I would love to hear Doctorow speak, myself! We'll see who
shows up and go from there.
As part of my internship with the Open Technology Institute, I'm designing
use cases for a mobile mapping application designed to run on community
mesh networks. While discussions of the technology that mesh runs on are
interesting and pertinent, so too is the issue of community adoption and
engagement. There's a whole world of possibilities for providing services
beyond just connectivity to folks on the mesh -mapping community resources,
neighborhood bulletin boards for local job listings and events, hooking up
with sensor data from seismometers and Geiger counters, community crime
watch, emergency response tools, etc;
Excited to talk more with y'all tomorrow!
On Feb 6, 2013 5:25 PM, "mark burdett" <mark(a)510pen.org> wrote:
> One of these days, hackers need to start boycotting proprietary broadcom
> hardware - including raspberry pi! otherwise we'll never arrive at the
> open hardware future :)
>
> --mark B.
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Alcides Gutierrez <alcides888(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
>
>> Hi. I bumped into the three protocols about the same time along my
>> journey. Didnt really explore babel as much as the other two. Later noticed
>> WDS and a roster of others, but like you implied, these three were most
>> popular.
>>
>> I was trying to steer clear of DD-WRT for the reason you stated about
>> open source. But OpenWrt seems to be at a standstill when it comes to
>> Linksys e2000 because of Broadcom proprietary mumbo jumbo... ;)
>>
>> I thought about Tomatoes but that seems like a world of worlds... Im
>> still trying to get adjusted to linux (debian flavors).
>>
>> Thanks for the link. I love links! :) I look forward to meeting folks.
>>
>> Alcides Gutierrez
>> http://e64.us
>> On Feb 6, 2013 5:02 PM, "Marc Juul" <marcjc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Alcides Gutierrez
<alcides888(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Nice. I did find out that both olsr and batman-adv are ongoing
>>> efforts. I
>>> > dropped by #batman on freenode and feel like batman-adv is a good
>>> option for
>>> > me to start with. Good to see that NG also uses batman. I have been
>>> reading
>>> > as many docs on batman to get up to speed.
>>>
>>> There are several other protocols out there. The main one I'm seeing
>>> in use other than OLSR and batman-adv is Babel. Babel is apparently
>>> really easy to work with. I asked the Project Byzantium people why
>>> they chose it, and they said there was only one reason: simplicity of
>>> deployment.
>>>
>>> Jenny and I have gathered some relevant facts about meshing protocols
>>> here: http://thepyre.org/wiki/Mesh#Meshing_protocols_and_algorithms
>>>
>>> > Hoping different firmwares wont be a major issue if batman is the
>>> common
>>> > protocol. Im gonna test out DDwrt on my e2000 and OpenWrt on two
>>> wndr3800's.
>>> > See how traffic flows.
>>>
>>> Cool. Maybe you already know this, but DD-WRT is not really open
>>> source / free software. There are add-in modules that they want you to
>>> pay for, and it's apparently very difficult to compile from source. I
>>> tried using it once, and ran into a showstopper when I realized
>>> there's no way to disable console output on the primary serial port
>>> (meaning you can't use it for anything else).
>>>
>>> > Im meeting with Jenny tomorrow at sudo aboit 530. I would enjoy
>>> making it
>>> > out every Thursday if there's a gathering. Basically, what I do
>>> everyday
>>> > with my free time is explore what I can with mesh networking.
>>> > We can meet up next week if you like. Or if people wanna meet
>>> tomorrow, Im
>>> > cool with that too!
>>>
>>> I'm also ok either way.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marc Juul
>>>
>>
>
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