Re: [sudo-access] ftp entered omni @5am 2day - access

6 Apr 2016

matt bought & installed a lock cylinder that automatically relocks the
cylinder after the door is unlocked (thank you matt!) so it is, now,
impossible to leave the front door unlocked.

i don't think we should have a latch that defaults to unlock during power
outages due to the inherent security vulnerabilities.

if we just get a new battery, the front door should be good - aside from
the fact that the panicbar & knob need to move over 3/4".
~r

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:53 PM, David Keenan &lt;dkeenan44(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

...
  The electronic locks I was looking at some time ago
could be preset to
 fail into either a locked or unlocked position. Just to double-check
 Jake, are you positive there's no way to change this as a setting of some
 sort?

 I have also been quite impressed with the electronic lock but the fact is
 it doesn't have a track record of reliable operation in the case of a power
 outage, because most likely because the battery failed (as you say)
 negating the ability to test its operation during the length of outages
 experienced so far. All I'm suggesting is, can it hurt to just see if there
 aren't any other issues (besides the battery) before dispensing with any
 other means to enter?

 Not being able to enter in the event of a power outage or
 any other emergency type situation, is also a liability issue for Omni.

 I have to say replacing the battery and failing into an open position
 would for me at least seem to solve most of the issues with the electronic
 lock, and a keyed lock that cannot be left in an unlocked position would
 solve a lot of the issues with the non-electronic lock.

 Just my opinion

 Dk

 On Tuesday, April 5, 2016, Jake &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote:

  On Tue, 5 Apr 2016, David Keenan wrote:

 I say that only because: -  the current electronic lock system, while
  awesome and definitely vastly improved, does not
yet have a good track
 record of reliability in the case of a power outage

 The current system actually works perfectly with the caveat that the
 battery we are using is literally garbage we grabbed for the purpose.  Any
 decent 12v battery would run the system easily for 24 hours straight.

 I am quite impressed with how reliable the system has been, and I have
 even done things to make it more robust a while ago, so once we get a
 decent battery I don't think we have to worry about it any more.

 - Im not sure what the backup option is should the electronic lock fail
  with no other way to open the door. Ie, in the
case of a typical
 non-electronic keyed lock, a locksmith / hacker can be called upon to
 pick it open. I guess my question would be, what is the equivalent backup
 means of entry for the electronic lock, short of breaking down the door etc?

 I think you can open the front door with a flat piece of metal if you
 angle it right.  Also, I think we are quickly headed toward replacing the
 lock cylinder with a new key, which cannot be left in the unlocked position.

 Also Jake, in the event that the battery for the electronic lock fails,
  it should probably fail the lock into an open,
not locked, position, which
 might help things. Is this something you can set up on that lock?

 there is no way to do this, since the electric latch release requires
 electricity to activate, and defaults to the "locked" position.

 the obvious solution is to have a decent battery.  Marc has asked for a
 link to such a battery and will purchase one as soon as I send the link,
 which will be shortly after I measure the container the battery needs to
 fit inside of, tonight.

 -jake 