raise/lower thing is something else. The motor I want to use for the front door opener is this one: http://imgur.com/gallery/MLuT7 it's in sudoroom in a milk crate. Robb and I remove the wheel and the tire, and now it's ready for the motor to be mounted on a bracket that will hold it in the right place, which is slightly higher than the top of the door, and basically 2' south of the door's hinges. then, a 2x2 of wood will attach to the top corner of the door with a hinge, and it will have a cord of this rubber-wrapped steel cable (which I have) go from one end of the 2x2 to the other, taking a couple of turns around the motor wheel. It will look like this: http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/omnidoormotor1.png as you can see from this diagram, when the motor turns its wheel clockwise (as viewed from above) the 2x2 stick will be pushed in the direction that opens the door. If it's not clear, the rubber-wrapped steel cable (shown in red/black stripes) is attached to the 2x2 stick at both ends, but it makes a couple of turns around the wheel of the motor on its way. anyway, i chose this motor because when it's not being energized with electricity, it's free-moving which means it won't interfere with regular door movement. But when we activate it, it will be strong enough to open or close the door as we tell it to do. The issues you mention about battery backup are not a problem. We already have a battery backup for the front door card (and soon RFID) access system, and this motorized thing will be battery-backed as well. I am willing to do the electrical part of this project, and I have already acquired the rubber-coated steel cable and motor, but I ask that other people take care of mounting the motor on a suitable frame above the door and help make the 2x2 stick on a hinge which will attach to the door. I will be at sudoroom tomorrow night (tuesday night at 7) in case anyone wants to meet with me about this. -jake On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote: I remember hearing about that wheelchair motor -- if it's the same one, > last I heard Robb had wanted to use it to raise/lower a projection > screen > for the stage..? So I didn't think of it for this project, but if we > can > use it and save ourselves some money, that's great! > > I realize you may have already considered this aspect but as a DIY > opener > will also need to comply with code requirements, do you think you can > design a system measurably compliant with: > > - opening / closing force (<5lb) and speed (max. *N* seconds to close) > requirements throughout the swing, during automatic operation and > manual > operation per ANSI/BHMA A156.19 for low-energy-operated doors, ICC > A117.1, > ADA and whatever may be found in CBC? > > - req'd UPS / backup battery power for opener, for *N* many operations > (need to look it up) > > - compliant location of upper and lower door actuators (buttons), > assume > this will be no issue > > If it's helpful, here is a decent article I found that glosses the > subject > of codes for low-energy openers: > http://www.constructionspecifier.com/understanding-new-acces > sibility-requirements-for-doors/ > <http://www.constructionspecifier.com/understanding-new-acce > ssibility-requirements-for-doors/> > > Given the above, and I realize I only now just brought this up to you, > but > I guess my only concern about any DIY implementation is, if you / > access > group has the time to implement it relatively soon..? E.g., do you > think it > might be possible to complete in the next 2-3 weeks or so..? > > I realize perhaps that is an unfair question to ask before you've > really > started hacking on it, but I'm also trying to be realistic and > pragmatic > wrt to how busy everyone is and the understandably extended timelines > of > volunteer labor in general that comprises the bulk of omni efforts -- > > If after reviewing the door req's, you think a DIY system is doable in > the > next 2-3 wks, let me know how / when I can help hack on this and I will > follow up with you and access control group directly -- and perhaps we > can > set a date to meet up about it? > > Best, > David > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Maureen Muldavin < > muldavin.m(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > > If you are working on RFID cards any possibility that the entrance to >> sudo/ccl could get a card reader? Been wanting access control for >> awhile. >> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Jake &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote: >> >>> i brought in a wheelchair motor a while ago that I think could be >>> made >>> >> into >> >>> a >>> power door-opener pretty well. >>> >>> I can work on a proof-of-concept for that and then be able to show >>> you >>> >> what >> >>> I >>> mean, and then we can see if it will be good enough for our needs as >>> >> opposed >> >>> to >>> spending $2800 on a "proper" door opener. >>> >>> as for the RFID cards, Alex and I have been working on implementing >>> the >>> >> card >> >>> reader thing for a little while and I think I can add it to the front >>> >> door >> >>> pretty relatively easily.., and I guess i'll do that first, rather >>> than >>> trying >>> to do a storage closet first? >>> >>> as always, if anyone wants to participate in this process they should >>> definitely jump in, otherwise it's subject to my chaotic schedule. >>> >>> technical questions about making this happen should be sent to the >>> access >>> list >>> and possibly the sudoroom list, but probably not the building list >>> as it >>> will >>> be a major distraction if we get into the weeds of microcontroller >>> boards >>> and >>> door server code... >>> >>> also, yes I do have the box of RFID stuff you ordered and i've been >>> >> working >> >>> on >>> it~ >>> >>> -jake >>> >>> On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jake / access control folks - >>>> >>>> So now that our front door is publicly labelled as accessible, we >>>> need >>>> >>> to >> >>> install an automatic door opener & remote button (kickplate & >>>> >>> hand-height >> >>> or a long bar) to make it legal. >>>> >>>> Reason I bring this up to you guys is, the opener system will need >>>> to >>>> integrate into our existing/future access control somehow. The >>>> quote I >>>> >>> got >> >>> is $2800 (50% parts, 50% labor) for a package including the Open >>>> Sesame >>>> Model 233 (brochure >>>> <http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/open_sesame_b >>>> rochure.pdf >>>> >>> , >>> >>>> spec >>>> sheet <http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/specs_model23 >>>> 3.pdf >>>> >>> ), >>> >>>> >>>> made in San Leandro. >>>> >>>> Also, some of us met last week re: sketching out Omni's >>>> accessibility >>>> plan, >>>> and Yar suggested this might be a good time to also implement RFID >>>> >>> system >> >>> for the front door, if that was possible? In part because, proximity >>>> to >>>> >>> an >> >>> RFID fob is more accessible than a card swipe which (after thinking >>>> >>> about >> >>> it) I realized requires a pincing motion that is likely not ADA... >>>> >>> because >> >>> of the excessive door opening pressure and iffy slope on the front >>>> landing, >>>> we need an RFID & auto-opener. >>>> >>>> So -- I'm not sure if any more work has been done on the RFID >>>> systems I >>>> put >>>> in sudo a little while ago (stashed in under-stair storage area), >>>> might >>>> >>> it >> >>> be possible to integrate these into the door opener? I note in the >>>> brochure >>>> they offer a keypad access option - perhaps an opportunity for >>>> 2-factor >>>> authentication like Marc had talked about? Anyhow what do you guys >>>> >>> think? >> >>> >>>> I apologize for not helping y'all more with a better access control >>>> >>> system >> >>> (helping spaces post-ghostship consumed my bandwidth), but as there >>>> is >>>> >>> now >> >>> renewed pressure I want to help as I can. Would installing a trial >>>> RFID/throw on the Omni Office for example still be helpful towards >>>> >>> getting >> >>> this nailed down? Lmk >>>> >>>> Fwiw - I see the opener as pressing at this point not just 'cause >>>> its >>>> >>> long >> >>> overdue, but because every day our front door is labelled as >>>> accessible >>>> when it's technically not, is actually a not-insignificant liability >>>> >>> issue >> >>> (accessibility lawsuit). Plus of course, we are still under scrutiny >>>> by >>>> the >>>> city, nimby neighbors trying to call us out for bogus reasons, etc >>>> etc. >>>> And >>>> per building code the front door must be made fully accessible >>>> before >>>> >>> any >> >>> other accessibility work starts on the rest of the building - at some >>>> point >>>> an inspector's gonna notice since they all go through that >>>> door..anyhow. >>>> >>>> Let me know how myself & those of us working on accessibility might >>>> be >>>> able >>>> to help - >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ access mailing list access(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/access _______________________________________________