Hey all!
Just a reminder that we have a mesh hack night tonight, starting at 7:30 (a
bit earlier than usual). Some folks have been working hard on the firmware
this week, so we'll update on that, and generally be working and helping
each other out :) Come on by and dive in!
Cheers,
Jenny
http://jennyryan.nethttp://thepyre.orghttp://thevirtualcampfire.orghttp://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
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Hey y'all!
Just a quick intro: I'm the Community Manager at Open Garden, a company
making a mesh networking app for Android based in SF. I'm also a
decentralization enthusiast and liberty activist.
I'm interested in discussing potential collaborations between the Open
Garden community and Oakland mesh outreach. The first idea that comes
to mind for me is holding local events based on education about mesh
networking both in Oakland and SF. Oakland is obviously the most
important community to focus on for the Oakland mesh (duh), however
there can be a lot of benefit from marketing the project to a wider
audience - especially since SF is right next door.
How awesome would it be to do a basic demo using Internet from somewhere
like the TechShop and sending it to Yerba Buena Gardens for example?
There could also be a chance at leveraging the marketing from the
Google/SF WiFi initiative... something that says "Hey... we're trying to
do something similar over here but even better!" Of course while trying
to avoid pissing off Goog or SF.
Anyways... I know some (probably most) of you may have some reservations
about collaboration with a company making proprietary software on a
moral ground but I'm interested in discussion on mutual benefit - both
for outreach and as complementary solutions for meshing the planet! ;)
Be well,
Paige Peterson
"GNU's Framework For Secure Peer-to-Peer
Networking<https://gnunet.org/internetistschuld>
"
This is the video from the talks given by Christian Grothoff, Carlo von
Lynx, Jacob Appelbaum and Richard Stallman in Berlin on August 1st.
Very interesting.
I added some concerns to the wiki about the risk of malicious node
operators using sslstrip. I am interested to hear feedback on this.
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Challenges
Scott J.
>From now on every last Thursday of the month will be a general meeting with
discussions, decisions and an agenda. The next general meeting will be on
Thursday the 29th of August at 7:30 pm.
On all other Thursdays there will be a hack night starting at 7:30 pm
(NOTE: this is an hour earlier than previously).
The hack nights will be for actually working on stuff, not for discussions
or introducing new people to the project. We should discourage new people
from showing up for hack nights unless they are willing to read up about
our project on the wiki and dive right into a task during the hack night.
We are doing this because we have been seeing a trend where new people show
up and we spend a lot of time introducing them to the project and answering
their questions, and then they don't show up again and we get little real
work done.
--
Marc Juul
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Hi.
My name is Pau from Barcelona. I have heard about your project in the
battlemesh mailing list. First of all, congratulations for starting
such kind of initiative, I hope you succeed.
In my place I'm working in the development of a Mesh firmware named
qMp [2] which is being used mainly in our community network Guifi.net
[3].
The purpose of sending this mail comes from what I read in your Wiki
[4] about create a new firmware. IMHO it is a mistake since there are
several projects already created, probably too much because we are
dividing our strength.
Recently (thanks to the battlemesh and other events like that) we have
started a new project to put all the development efforts together and
make a firmware generic and useful for everybody. The idea is to make
a meta-firmware which can be used as basis to create specific
community firmwares. The project is named libre-mesh [5].
Until now three existing mesh communities have joined: Guifi.net
(Catalonia), AlterMesh (Argentina), Eigennet (Italy). I would like to
invite you to participate. We have a huge experience in the
OpenWRT-based distributions for mesh networking, I hope you are able
to take advantage of it.
I don't pretend to start a large discussion about routing protocols,
but I would like to summary our conclusions because they can be useful
for us. Batman-adv is very nice, but you cannot have a single
collision domain cloud for all the nodes because it does not scale.
So, the network have to be splitted in several clouds. To federate
them a layer3 routing protocol is needed, so here is where we use BMX6
[7]. Why? because BMX6 (100% rewritten fork of Batmand with native
IPv6 support) is very powerful and produces a very low overhead (see
[6]). Here [8][9] find a couple of small diagrams to understand a
little better this model.
Cheers.
PS: do not use ARC Freestations, they use Ralink USB chips and driver
is bullshit in ad-hoc mode.
PS2: CCed Libre-Mesh mailing list
[1] mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
[2] http://qmp.cat
[3] http://guifi.net
[4] https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Firmware
[5] http://libre-mesh.org
[6] https://libre-mesh.org/attachments/download/12/overhead_mobile.png
[7] http://bmx6.net
[8] https://libre-mesh.org/attachments/download/4/smartmesh2.png
[9] https://libre-mesh.org/attachments/download/17/lime-modes1.jpg
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Hello everyone,
I have been following the meshnet work because although I am not
technically savvy, I am deeply concerned with the state of the internet,
and I am really excited about alternatives to our current systems for
communication
I feel that for society to be free, having a vibrant and open web is
crucial and as we all know, we don't have that right now. #PRISM, NSA, and
recently XKeyScore have all shown the world what many of us already knew or
assumed. We do not have free, un-monitored speech online or with our
phones, we are being watched, and our internet is not neutral. It's far
from it.
So while I am deeply excited about the work you all are doing, I have
started advocating for less restrictions online through writing and
activism. Calling my representatives, showing up at the Oakland City
Council to oppose the expansion of the Domain Awareness Center (which
passed last night), and also the Restore the Fourth protest.
I invite you all to come and join us this Sunday starting at Noon at
Embarcadero Plaza, to stand against the surveillance, against our vanishing
civil liberties, for a more free internet, and also to hear a really
incredible speaker line-up:
Daniel Ellsberg - Leaker of the Pentagon Papers! This is the original
edward snowden, but with a photocopier!
Mark Klein - AT&T whistleblower - revealed NSA warrantless spying on San
Francisco residents through AT&T.
Norman Solomon - Activist and writer whose work protesting and revealing
injustice first won him the honor of being monitored by the FBI at just 14
years old.
I hope you all can make it and spread the word. This is far from a perfect
solution, but it is a good start... IMHO
Thank you
Ben Valentine
hey everyone,
sorry i had to jet out of the meeting last night. i wanted to put a time on
the schedule specifically to bounce around ideas for community outreach and
to think strategically about how to advocate for local broadband policy
that would support our cause. would wednesday from 8:30-10 work for others
interested in attending?
for those interested in policy, i just found out that san leandro already
has its own public-private fiber project:
http://litsanleandro.com/technology/
my guess is that other cities in the area will follow suit to try to keep
up with the jones'. i think it'd be a good idea to think about what kind of
provisions we could try to get cities to adopt that would ensure that any
ISP that commits to doing this kind of public-private partnership remains
friendly towards.
and a note on community outreach: i talked with some friends working on
food justice and they suggested trying to emphasize the word "access" a
lot. they've done great work in this area to make your average organic
shopper to understand that there's a serious problem with the lack of food
access in low income communities. if we say we're extending access to the
internet to people who otherwise can't afford it, it piggy backs on their
success and helps develop a larger narrative that ties together all
the disparate forms of activism taking place around the east bay.
anyway, just a couple of thoughts. if no one objects to the timing of the
meeting, i'll put it on the schedule for wednesday.
have a wonderful weekend!
jacob
Hi!
> We had several long, insightful discussions with the bat-team in Aalborg
> last battlemesh, it's a pity you couldn't attend :(
Are there any summaries/minutes of those discussions? Because it seems
you have more knowledge about this and it would be sad that it would
stay locked just into discussions. Even if we meet on mumble, I will
maybe understand, but ideas and conclusions you are presenting still
would not be available to others. I think the best would be to write
this things down. There are measurements, there are all the discussion
from all the mesh events and it seems there is a common idea of "best
practices" shared by routing protocols. Could this be written down
somewhere and then it will be easier to understand?
> i'm really looking forward to meet you Mitar! maybe we can at least have
> a mumble one of these days?
Sure, we could! But I believe the best would be first to write things
down, for others in the network and in general for all community
wireless networks.
Mitar
--
http://mitar.tnode.com/https://twitter.com/mitar_m
Hi!
A very important video to watch. We touched the topic of Internet of
Things on the last meeting and I think it is important to see and
understand why wireless community networks should not stop only with the
Internet, but why it is important to start working also on the Internet
of Things. Because once all corporations will have Internet of Things
for themselves, we will be too late. Internet of Things is not being
build by universities first, as Internet itself was, so this time it
will be quite different if we don't start already to work on that. And
wireless mesh networks are ideal for that.
http://www.shareconference.net/en/node/1075
Mitar
--
http://mitar.tnode.com/https://twitter.com/mitar_m
Reposted for posterity at: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/25_July_2013
= Agenda =
*Introductions
*Update on crowdfunding campaign [
https://www.wepay.com/donations/oakland-community-mesh-network]
*What to spend money on
*Overview of the Mesh as it stands!
*Firmware progress
*Community Outreach
*Name Brainstorm
=Attendees=
*Marc, Chris J, Jacob, Ryan, MaxB, Jenny, Paige, Olaf + others
:Marc - decentralization, citizen science, sysadmin
:Max - Free internet! Free networks.
:Olaf: Cryptocurrency, research, etc; Coinbase; Reading up on tunneling
:Jenny – Education and community outreach; Anthropology and documentation
:Chris J – Web stuff, splash pages, interfaces; OpenWRT experienced;
community tech enthusiast
:Jacob - community outreach
:Aaron - Outreach and alliances; policy work
*All would love to learn how to flash shit and do things on the ground.
:Paige - Learning hardware, community education and outreach
:Doug - firmware, implementations of the environment, webwork [software
dev, web tech]; software dev, post nexus; free wifi enthusiast
:Mitch - Likes to code!
:Mitar - Nodewatcher; python/django-based application
:Tom - abandoned hardware
:Ryan - Graphic designer
=Crowdfunding Campaign=
*We're $50 short of our crowd funding goal!
*UPDATE: We hit our goal of 3k! See [[Inventory]] and [[Purchases]] for
details
*$2250.00 to the routers
:→ Built a mesh network in Uganda
=What to spend money on=
*We have a bunch of street level nodes and a number of pt->pt and
pt->multi-pt backbone links
*Cables and housing, etc.
*Outdoor Ethernet Cable – Shielded
*Outdoor Ethernet Plugs
=Overview of the Mesh=
*The wiki is well documented
=City – coalition-ing=
*If we depend on their interests, they will shut us down
*They can't shut us down
=Firmware=
:Firmware: Max B, Marc J, and Douglas
*Quality of Service
*3+ SSIDs
*Traffic and bandwidth shaping
=Name Brainstorm=
*https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Naming
*Should we get high and try to decide? Maybe not...
*Is there an advantage to having a separate "network" name and a "group"
name
*Wycelium.net
*PeoplesWifi.org
=Notes=
*Pay for the nodes
*Tunneling setup for VPN protection
*We need a coalition of lawyers!
*Firmware – to change the ssid etc – chris j
*Points – sobdraken
*There's a lot of electromagnetic noise!
*Van-eck phreaking - pointing an antenna at a CTR screen, you can
reconsturct it from far away
*Can see what people are watching from the same signal on the tv via power
draw
*filter behind the meter that only lets 60 cycles through
*We own the gateways between our houses! I will install this to do this -
it is open hardware, with only 16Hz of data
*A smartgrid would tell you to turn off this or that when the energy grid
is overwhelmed
=Local Net=
*Tidepools Map
*Internet Archive
*Oakland Wiki
*Local Chat
**nodejs app for chat
=Mitar's Slovenia Repo=
https://github.com/wlanslovenija/
=Community Outreach=
*https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Oakland
*There's an awesome list of community organizations:
:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao_Q7DQvNFT-dEdhZUJaQ3dDY2plMj…
:If you really want to be a part of the community outreach team you could
try and get in contact with some of the organizations on that list!
=Next Meeting=
*Community Outreach & Policy Strategy: Wednesday, July 31, 8:30-10pm at
sudo room
*Hack Night: Flashing, firmware dev: Thursday, August 1, 8:30-10pm at sudo
room
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Jenny
http://jennyryan.nethttp://thepyre.orghttp://thevirtualcampfire.orghttp://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
Hi everyone, I'm Rabbit.
I'm a generalist hacker and digital artist without much mesh-specific
experience. I can probably help build webapps and monitoring tools and I'd
like to learn more about how to maintain and debug networks.
The main thing I can offer is a social connection to the cooperative
housing scene in Berkeley and North Oakland as early adopters for the mesh.
There are 3 big organizations of houses, unfortunately segmented by age:
students: the Berkeley Student Cooperative
30 year olds: Spaghetti Night
older people: Berkeley Cohousing
There are probably at least 50 houses in those groups combined. They would
be excited about the mesh for political reasons because it's a
non-hierarchical community project. When we're ready to start deploying
nodes in that part of town I can get us in touch with them. (However,
they're a more privileged group of people in general and I support
prioritizing the mesh service & participation for people with less
privilege.)
Collectively owned businesses could also be friendly to this project and
they could give us roof space and publicity / visibility. There's an
umbrella organization of them in the Bay Area called NOBAWC -- here's a
list of their members:
http://nobawc.org/article.php?id=56
I added this all to the end of the Neighborhood Outreach spreadsheet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao_Q7DQvNFT-dEdhZUJaQ3dDY2plMj…
I'm personally excited about the mesh project because it's a way for us to
increase our community power and independence by relying less on
infrastructure owned by corporations we don't trust. And like Occupy and
Couchsurfing, a big successful mesh project would help knit the city's
human relationships together with trust and friendliness, and lots of
positive things follow from that.
Find me in Sudoroom's IRC channel or on Google Talk if you want to chat.
I'll come to a Thursday mesh meeting one of these days, I swear.
-Rabbit
I added a bunch of new name suggestion and a word list to the wiki:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Naming
Let's keep the name brain storm going!
--
Marc
Hey folks,
I was thinking that there are a number of people who would be interested
in learning about networking - both mesh-related and otherwise. There
are a ton of various online resources and I think that if we worked
together we could learn a BUNCH about the interwebs and various other
networking knowledge.
I would be willing to host a networking study group where we could get
together, review material, and ask eachother questions. Who's with me????
Come and learn about how the internet (and other networks) work!!
If people email me back with their available times I can get a sense of
who would be available and when we might be able to meet.
Could be cool!
Max
Hi, as we've discussed here before, the LOL/SOL folks are really interested
in having a mesh network provide internet access for their entire building
(I believe 25 or so residents). I talked to Elokin about it again over the
weekend.
Anyone interested in heading over there sometime - perhaps tonight during
their regular monday hack night? We could do some more site survey work
and we could even bring some access points to install..
--mark B.
Hello!
Restore The 4th San Francisco is hosting an Anti-NSA privacy event this
August 4th. I'm a fan of the related work this group is doing, and would
love to see you guys there. We could very likely give someone from the
group a chance to speak and explain the project, and/or set-up a table.
We've got some great speakers in the works, including a confirmed speech
from whistle-blower Mark Klein (Room 641A).
Personally, I've been following this list for a brief time, but have
limited hardware/software experience and much of the conversation is over
my head. However, I hope to contribute to the discussion of alternative
power supply for the nodes, and assist with outreach through Restore The
4th.
Thank you for reading, and all the best,
Sam
Heading over now - see Marc's email from last week for ideas on what to
come and hack on :)
Jenny
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Marc Juul <marcjc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Let's replace the meeting next week with a hack night and start early! I
> know some of us will be hacking on the firmware but there are many other
> (and non-tech) things to hack in.
>
> Next Thursday (the 18th), starting at 5 pm, in sudo room.
>
> If you can't be there at 5 pm, come by later. We'll be there until late
> late.
>
> If you don't know what to work on, we'll send out another email soon with
> things that you can come and hack/work on! Here's a short list:
>
> Name ideas.
> Sticker T-shirt design.
> Outreach and community engagement strategies.
> Web design for splash and admin pages.
> Fliers and texts explaining what the project is about.
> Fundraising!
> Firmware stuff.
> Ways to mount routers on windows.
>
> --
> Marc
>
> _______________________________________________
> mesh mailing list
> mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh
>
>
Hey so I was thinking about some of the things that were percolating
during the last meeting and I was wondering if folks thought it might be
a good idea to host an upcoming "Today I Learned" session. There are a
bunch of open slots in the next couple of months and it looks like
there's a lot of enthusiasm about mesh stuff among the sudo crowd.
We could encourage people to bring in their own routers, or potentially
provide some of the ones that the mesh group already has (don't have to
be the ubiquiti ones). We could all flash them together, teach people a
bit about openWRT and batman-adv, the very basics of networking, and
have them set-up to bring the routers home and have their own mesh node up.
Likely, we would be targeting mostly the Sudo folks who already have
some knowledge or interest and who might or might not be within our sort
of target areas, but I think it could be really useful in doing a couple
of things:
1. Practicing a lot of the public facing aspects of setting up the mesh
among folks who are already excited and onboard.
2. Motivation to move forwards on figuring out how we'd like to
configure mesh nodes
3. Getting a feel for communicating the important technological and
cultural aspects of the mesh to the public.
4. Getting some momentum on the project and setting up a bunch of mesh
nodes!
I have a pretty reasonable amount of free time over the upcoming few
months. I'm working on scaling up my relevant technical skills, but I'm
certainly not as knowledgeable as others on this list. That being said,
I could make myself available for some of the other less technical
aspects of bringing something like this together (coordinating,
logistics, cleaning, etc).
What do people think?
