I propose that Sudoroom and Sudomesh take over the three (of four) basement
rooms being vacated by Village of Love, paying a combined $1500 for them.
In the past decade, Sudoroom has failed to scale its community to the size
required to pay for its current space. It's been perpetually in debt ever
since, never had any budget left over to invest in hacking, and had to ask
forgiveness from Omni many times, putting the building in greater jeopardy.
Besides its size, one of the nicest features of the current spot is natural
sunlight - but virtually all Sudo gatherings happen after dark. We are
paying for something we don't use.
Omni is coming under increasing community pressure over the fact that
majority-white collectives underpay for the biggest nicest spaces in the
building, while pushing more diverse collectives into less desirable
corners. This will be one way to make right.
Downsizing is good for us, good for omni, and good for the newer BIPOC-led
collectives that omni is trying to recruit.
If sudoers agree, maybe a good timeline would be to announce intention to
complete the move by February 1.
How can I set up internet at parents. What do I need purchase? Do sell or
provide nodes? Sorry tech illiterate here.
Kat
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I know that for people who built sudomesh and have been working on the
project this whole time, but who don't have time or availability to host
meetings or onboard new people, this may read as unwanted pressure, but I
agree with the principle of the idea.
There are a lot of people who want to see sudomesh and its projects prosper,
and effectively rejecting new energy and leaving it to people outside the
project to handle requests for more information is not a good way to do
things.
Can we just discuss what the options are together and try to move forward
somehow?
-jake
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023, Andrew R Gross wrote:
> Hey, two new guys came by tonight and expressed strong interest in
> Sudo-Mesh. I told them to come around on Tuesday and get to know people.
>
> I want to reiterate that I think the current posture of legacy members of
> this project is unproductive and demoralizing, because all requests to join
> are ignored, but any attempts to independently create a fork of the project
> are condemned. I once again think that one of the legacy members should
> agree to either hold an open event or agree to let others meet and talk
> about Sudo Mesh in their absence. But I will refrain from any further
> mischief out of respect for the wishes of the legacy members of this
> project.
>
> Cheers,
>
> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
>
Hi Andrew, your email went to the general info list because
sudo-mesh(a)sudoroom.org was not a predefined email address. I've now
added it as an alias, so it should work in the future.
On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 10:46 PM Andrew R Gross <arg5029(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey, two new guys came by tonight and expressed strong interest in Sudo-Mesh. I told them to come around on Tuesday and get to know people.
>
> I want to reiterate that I think the current posture of legacy members of this project is unproductive and demoralizing, because all requests to join are ignored, but any attempts to independently create a fork of the project are condemned. I once again think that one of the legacy members should agree to either hold an open event or agree to let others meet and talk about Sudo Mesh in their absence. But I will refrain from any further mischief out of respect for the wishes of the legacy members of this project.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrew R Gross, (he/him)
> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org
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Hey,
I want to plan a Sudo Mesh event. I'd like to get folks together, review
all the existing materials and spitball ideas for what we'd like to do with
Sudo Mesh.
I want to be upfront: I know Sudo Mesh was developed by a lot of smart
people through a lot of hard work, and I don't want to deny them their due
or agency over this project. So if someone -- anyone -- who has worked on
this before I showed up wants to guide the next steps, I would love that.
To start with, I'm wondering how many people are seeing this message? If
you see this and are interested in getting involved or getting reinvolved,
please speak up.
*Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
Andrew,
I apologize if you haven't gotten the response that you desire, there are
so many communication channels available to us, that it's likely many don't
want to respond to your request via the email list. Regardless, despite
your claims SudoMesh is not an inactive project. As a distributed project,
Marc probably just doesn't feel like he should be making unanimous
decisions for the rest of the community.
I doubt you hurt Marc's feelings, but more failed to understand his
response: meeting are normally Tuesday nights at Omni Commons (where
Sudoroom is located). If you come to Sudoroom's Hardware Hack night, most
of the Sudomesh folks will be there talking about Disaster Radio, a node
mount for the Sudomesh network, or our contributions to DWeb camp's Mesh
network that is coming up soon.
If you're looking for a Newbie night, this is still probably your best
bet. As most folks don't have the bandwidth to commit to another night.
If Tuesday night doesn't work for you, and you know of a lot of other folks
that are new to ad-hoc mesh networks that would be interested feel free to
suggest something, I'm sure that it can be worked out, but again, attention
is a limited resource in most folk's lives.
Cheers,
Scott
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> Subject: [Mesh] Re: Resuming Sudo Mesh
> To: Marc Juul <marc(a)juul.io>
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> I hope this isn't seen as hostile, but I think it's healthy -- especially
> in open source development projects -- to just communicate openly and
> honestly.
>
> There are people who are interested in learning about distributed mesh
> networks like Sudo Mesh, however Sudo Mesh is at this point an inactive
> project. I think the simplest way forward is to find a meeting time that
> works for as many people who are interested and then meet to share ideas
> and learn.
>
> I understand that the last time I tried to do this I hurt your feelings
> Marc. I'd like to ask for your guidance on how best to do this again in a
> way that respects your contributions. May I schedule a meeting so new
> people can meet and discuss this project? We'd love to have you present or
> leading, but if you don't have the time or are otherwise unable it would be
> very appreciated if you would cooperate with others working on this project
> without obstruction.
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 11:25 AM Andrew R Gross <arg5029(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Marc,
> >
> > Is April 11th confirmed? Can I add that to the calendar and promote it at
> > our April meeting?
> >
> > I’d still prefer if it were in that Wednesday if possible, but either is
> > fine as long as I can get it on the calendar.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 10:07 PM Andrew R Gross <arg5029(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Would it be possible to schedule it for Wednesday, April 12th? I'd like
> >> to participate, but I can't attend on Tuesdays.
> >>
> >> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
> >> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 9:07 AM Andrew R Gross <arg5029(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Marc!
> >>>
> >>> I hope I didn't ruffle your feathers. The honest answer is that I've
> >>> been trying to reach you or one of the other folks from Sudo mesh for
> a few
> >>> months, and since it wasn't working I got this idea based on
> Cunningham's
> >>> law:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *"The best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a
> >>> question; it's to post the wrong answer."*
> >>>
> >>> I figured that if I just started making plans it would probably get
> back
> >>> to someone in Sudo Mesh and they'd reach out. And it worked!
> >>>
> >>> I hope you'll all forgive a bit of mischief in exchange for getting
> >>> folks together and warming things up a bit. With that, I am relieved
> to be
> >>> free of any further planning duties. I am still genuinely interested in
> >>> participating (in a very passive role!)
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Andy
> >>>
> >>> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
> >>> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 10:06 PM Marc Juul <marc(a)juul.io> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey everyone. Sorry I didn't see this thread until now. I had
> >>>> misconfigured my email filtering.
> >>>>
> >>>> The weekly sudo mesh meeting has traditionally happened on Tuesday
> >>>> evenings at the same time as sudo room hardware hacknight. We never
> >>>> officially announced a resumption of meetings after the pandemic but
> either
> >>>> me or Camber have been present at sudo room most Tuesdays from around
> 7:30
> >>>> pm and I will be there this coming Tuesday and happy to update people
> on
> >>>> what's going on with the various sudo mesh projects. Unfortunately
> myself
> >>>> and Jenny will both be unable to attend the next few Tuesdays after
> that
> >>>> but will be back for the April 11th meeting. I've reached out to
> Camber to
> >>>> see if he can make it on the dates in between.
> >>>>
> >>>> We used to have a monthly "open to newbies" meeting that is more
> >>>> publicly announced and it might be about time to restart that, but it
> might
> >>>> be better to push it until April 11th also because it'd be nice to do
> some
> >>>> direct outreach to all the members of sudo mesh to see who might not
> be
> >>>> monitoring this list very carefully.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course if people want to meet up and hack on mesh stuff in the
> >>>> meantime and use this list to schedule it, then that's fine. It's
> just very
> >>>> likely that none of the sudo mesh members will be there after this
> Tuesday
> >>>> and until April 11th.
> >>>>
> >>>> For those just tuning in I should clarify that sudo mesh has long
> since
> >>>> transitioned from a sudo room project to being its own independent
> >>>> non-profit organization (501c3) and big shoutout to Jenny for taking
> care
> >>>> of all the paperwork, insurance and paying of bills for the past
> several
> >>>> years!
> >>>>
> >>>> We are currently drafting a post-pandemic update/newsletter outlining
> >>>> our activities since 2020 and some next steps / upcoming projects
> we'd love
> >>>> to get new folks involved with!
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> marc/juul
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 7:27 AM Andrew R Gross <arg5029(a)gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I want to plan a Sudo Mesh event. I'd like to get folks together,
> >>>>> review all the existing materials and spitball ideas for what we'd
> like to
> >>>>> do with Sudo Mesh.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I want to be upfront: I know Sudo Mesh was developed by a lot of
> smart
> >>>>> people through a lot of hard work, and I don't want to deny them
> their due
> >>>>> or agency over this project. So if someone -- anyone -- who has
> worked on
> >>>>> this before I showed up wants to guide the next steps, I would love
> that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To start with, I'm wondering how many people are seeing this message?
> >>>>> If you see this and are interested in getting involved or getting
> >>>>> reinvolved, please speak up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
> >>>>> 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
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> >>>>> More options at
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> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> > *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)*
> > 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>
> >
>
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