You can see last night's minutes below or online here: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/06_November_2018 (https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/06_November_2018)
'''People's Open Network Weekly Meeting - 6 November 2018 7:30pm-9pm'''
* https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy
=== Agenda ===
* Introductions and Meeting Roles (10 mins)
* Check in on previous action items (5 mins)
* Updates & Reportbacks (20 mins)
* Next Sunday (5 mins)
* Proposal: Mobile Calyx Node for The Village (15 mins)
* Discussion: BYOI / Office Hours (15 mins)
* Action Items (5 mins)
* Breakout Groups
=== Introductions ===
Introduce yourself: Name; Preferred Pronoun; Icebreaker Response; BRIEF Announcements
* Icebreaker question: Favorite artist? Visual, musical, otherwise
* null - him/her - I like Infected Mushroom
** have u heard of Unwashed Tomato? ;D https://www.discogs.com/artist/1329175-Unwashed-Tomato
* marc - he/him - the author of The Gods Are Bastards
* lesley - pretty much anything or she/they - I really like artists whose work you can identify from across the room. Odilon Redon, Egon Schiele, Davinci
* ben - he/they - Restricting scope to favorite webcomic. Zach Morrison - paranatural.net Middle-school kids go on adventures with goofy spirits and stuff
* felix - he/him - Thomas Kling; German poet who does language installations
* scott - any are fine - Minna Sundberg http://www.minnasundberg.fi/
* seth - he/they - julian oliver
* Mai- she/they - Doesn't like rockstar artists and having to know the personality behind art but like internet mash-ups and general memery art that emerges on the internet. Also would say Aphex Twin.
* jehan - he/him - Niac (niac.org), which I'll be going over with you today!
** ballot Benny - greetings from the polls! 4 minutes left to vote go go go go go go
=== Meeting Roles ===
* Facilitator/s: ben
* Stacktaker:
* Notetaker/s: lesley, ben
** URL of this pad: https://peoplesopen.net/notes
=== Proposals ===
== Proposal: Mobile Calyx Node for The Village ==
Proposal to spend ~$900~1000 on a mobile Calyx node to be first deployed at the new Village site near Coliseum for one year. Will be returned once we establish line of sight to a neighbor open to sharing their bandwidth (or reach it via Paxio link to the hills) and thus reusable for future actions / temp locations.
* https://github.com/sudomesh/projects/blob/master/proposals/mobilenode.md
* https://peoplesopen.net/pad/p/villagewifi
Idea: get a box, put a thing in it with WiFi, 4G, a battery, and a solar panel.
* 4G via Calyx membership - 400/year + 100 initial equipment fee
** scott - will they waive equipment fee if we're providing our own?
* Put it up at the village. If it works well, then we start raising funds. Every time we get enough, we throw together another one and deploy it where there's high need.
** Spread with mesh routers once one is up.
** marc - during december, not that much sun - so running solar power might not work during this time - peak power usage is above 12 watts, average might be less than 8 watts. Would need 100 watt solar power to run it 24/7. Hard to mount on tall pole with 100 watt panel. Maybe have smaller panel lower. Issue is that it might get stolen.
* Total cost would be around - 400
**modem - 125
** altogether - 1000 for up front equipment and first year
** Jehan - Mesh ++ makes something like this, but for 3000 - maybe they would sponsor us with one of their units.
** Ben - 4G?
** Jehan - not sure.
** Mai - we should work out the logistics before we pay the 400 and start the membership. Concerns with how to secure it
** Jehan - we could put up decoys
** Marc - how long before we can move forward?
** Lesley - if it's not past the 2000 limit, then we don't have to do that
** Jehan - we have consensus, don't we
** null - can we use a streetlight?
** juul - no that won't work.
** Ben - pole mounted to fence?
** Jehan - drill, put in pilings, 30 ft
** Marc - if someone can find a way to mount it so it won't get stolen, let's just go ahead and do it. And even if it doesn't work, we'll have a 4g access point we can use for something else
*** jenny: harbor freight flagpole w/ guy wires? there are also several structures we could mount to
**** also, village folks lock the gate when not open (currently open mon/wed/fri 10-5) and have 24/7 security
== Check in on previous action items ==
Check previous meeting minutes at https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Minutes and past action items below:
* Get in touch with MonkeyBrains about donated bandwidth (ben)
** ben - I messaged them back again during last meeting; no response
* Working group to meet and plan out routing config for Archive mount on thursday 5-7
** juul, benny, null, mai, jenny, eenblam, lesley
** Archive Tower Meeting Notes - https://peoplesopen.net/pad/p/richmond-tower-hardware
** ben: We talked about what we wanted and also what a minimum viable product would be for what we want to install and they're willing to just give us rackspace. We talked about bringing in a router and a switch for multiple radios on the roof. We have a 12-harddrive storage server. We just need to buy hard drives for it.
*** Mai: somebody was gonna follow up, who? (benny) the last thing Jonah asked us is what routing configuration we would use that is connected to our equipment on the tower
*** null: I think benny?
** send e-mail about richmond tower working group meeting (mai) - done
** marc - we agreed to meet this past Sunday. I set up the rackmount server with latest debian. Need to add babel and tunneldigger, set up cron backup, etc.
*** we're meeting again tomorrow at 3pm to finalize that.
*** When done we should be ready to just go shove it into the rack.
*** Meeting tomorrow at 3 PM to finalize.
* create text for byoi eventbrite (benny)
** not done yet. Will do tomorrow. take a look at https://www.loomio.org/d/0h914dO3/byoi-fall-2018/5 would be awesome to decide on a simple event timeline tonite! 12-5? 3-8?
** what do we want to do besides hang out at activity booths?
* create poster for byoi event (benny)
** Not yet. Planning to do this week / weekend
* combine "node mount" and "office hours" sections in notes template (benny)
** Didn't do it yet.
** jenny did this today
*** Sick!
== Updates & Reportbacks ==
=== Bugs/Technical ===
Priority bugs we need help with are located at: http://peoplesopen.net/helpwanted - For a high-level overview of recent Github activity, see the Trello: https://trello.com/invite/b/r9l5ouQ4/3b2eecd83bb9e7a57a339cf1ee038288/sudo-…
*
=== Node Mounts & Outreach ===
Node Mounts Trello: https://trello.com/invite/b/DtzngKaM/49e1c21fc9da199fcdeceb8623b5117a/node-…
* grant - Matt from Paxio got back to us, said there is no LOS between Omni Commons and downtown Oakland? Suggested looking for places in Emeryville or Golden Gate neighborhood.
** Ben, Marc, Jehan - ... But we do have line of sight
*** Is it possible we have wrong building?
****-Seth i'm gonna make a googleearth map tomorrow night.
** I'm not sure how to respond to Matt's last email, Marc or Mai wanna pick up on this thread?
** Also benny was looking at places for Internet Archive mount in West Berkeley, maybe one those that could also see Paxio?
** Paxio's presumed location in 436 14th St, Oakland.
* Jason's install - decide equipment - he will get sonic gigabit fiber soon. Lesley dropped off rocket + N600 with him and can see the signal from her place, but it only has a ~300 mbps throughput maximum.
* Ben - power constraints at Jeff's place. Ideally would have omnidirectional. But for his proposed setup, we might need to store equipment at Jeff's/John's and run another wire.
** i.e. if we're going to have a rocket at each site, we'll want a directional point-to-point link as well. This means we need a switch, etc.
** bonus issue - we're under the radar at Jeff's place
* Ben - rigth now we just have a nanobridge at Jeff's place, running sudowrt, so we would need to swap it out with one running airos. We should have either omni or sector attached to a rocket. If we're also going to put a rocket at Jeff's and a rocket at Jasons, we could just put rockets on both, or we could get a couple of Microtic wireless routers, but that would require plugging into both extender node ports on n600, which would be slow, or throwing in a switch. If we did microtics we'd need switches on both ends, which might be difficult due to landlord/power constraints at Jeff's place. I'd like to keep that simple on that side.
* scott - Should I reach out to All Power labs about getting a tower on their place as an Internet Archive connection?
** They're like two buildings down from Pief's.
** What can we offer them?
*** marc - expect half a gigabit.
=== Communications & Events ===
Comms Trello: https://trello.com/invite/b/f3ugMPNU/94033ee6c2cef93fc1b1637b727c902a/sudo-…
Events Trello: https://trello.com/invite/b/Y3XfDK85/2b6fcb4fa92788609692a53a96fb4614/peopl…
* See BYOI discussion item
=== Internal Logistics / Finance ===
Internal Logistics & Bureaucracy Trello: https://trello.com/invite/b/LzVQlW3X/1bb8bd543c8633688175365d2554c2c2/inter…
* jehan - I need answers for insurance stuff
** said 20 volunteers
** put sources of funding as private foundations - what would you say are other sources of funding?
*** plz share questions and i can answer them --jenny (no, not private foundations. big diff btw private foundations & public charities...) - jenny
**** small recurring and one-time charitable contributions and grants; in-kind donations
** also officer's insurance is supplementary doc
*** we want general liability as well as D&O
** Marc - suggests putting questions in google docs
== Next Sunday ==
We host office hours every Sunday from 1-3pm in Sudo Room, and often arrange a rooftop node mount.
* To sign up to bottomline, fill in your name here: https://ethercalc.org/byoi_office_hours
* Ongoing node mounting spreadsheet is located at: https://peoplesopen.net/sundays
* Notes from this past Sunday's session:
* seth - me and null inventoried cage last sunday. Antoinette and Cassidy box inventoried in cage - anybody know if these projects are ongoing or defunct?
** jenny - antoinette bin is my bad. will recoup
== Discussion: November BYOI Event ==
* Let's look at Benny's Loomio! https://www.loomio.org/d/0h914dO3/byoi-fall-2018/5
** food
*** scott - I'm willing to do food again. Anyone have requests for types of food?
**** Thinking southeast asian - spring rolls with peanut sauce, pad thai, etc.
**** ben - we should have non-peanut options
** swag
*** Seth-im bringing t-shirts.
*** jenny can make buttons & stickers - mebbe an upcoming sunday aft activity?
** activities
*** juul - thinking about playing around with pogo plugs, which I've got a bunch of. You can pull them apart without tools, have root access, and bootload them easily. They're $15 each. We can play with these, and use some hard drives, and play around with them at the event.
*** marc - not much has been happening with disaster radio but maybe Grant would be interested in showing off the simulator
**** ben - could be cool to set up a monitor up for the simulator's visualization
*** TCP Roller disco
** outreach
*** print flyers for null, nanomonkey, jnny, anyone else attending nonprofit dev summit
*** marc - we were talking about having more of a party atmosphere. Maybe start roller disco earlyish?
**** mai - maybe have a movie showing?
**** ben - maybe the suggested 3-8 timeslot instead of 12-5? Closer to party time.
***** several people thought this was a good idea
== Action Items ==
* Email Jonah re: what kind of routing configuration we plan to have for our Archive mount (benny?)
* Meeting to configure servers for Archive mount 3pm Wed Nov 7 (juul, et al)
* Add BYOI to Omni Calendar (jenny?)
** jenny: submitted some weeks ago & contract signed - event will be published following payment of invoice (offered $300 which is nonprofit rate)
*** should also make event posts on indybay, fb, SSB... did i just volunteer? :D
* Insurance details - jehan, ben, jenny
* Purchase gear for Jason's install - lesley, ben
[[Category:Mesh/Minutes]]
Hey there,
If anyone's interested in meeting and strategizing what kind of server/routing situation we'd like to set up at the Archive, we're hoping to meet this week! Essentially to answer the question: what should we connect to the AirFiber once we've installed it on their tower?
How does 5pm on Thursday Nov 1 work for people?
Thanks,
Mai
> If anyone's interested in meeting ... Essentially to answer the question:
what should we connect to the AirFiber once we've installed it on their
tower?
> How does 5pm on Thursday Nov 1 work for people?
OK for me.
> * trip to visit grant's puppet show on wednesday eve!
https://www.drivewayfollies.com/ 3854 greenwood ave
Yea! I will try to be there tonight. (My car is in the shop... I will get
there one way or another!)
You can see tonight's minutes below or online here: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/30_October_2018 (https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/30_October_2018)
'''People's Open Network Weekly Meeting - 30 October 2018 7:30pm-9pm'''
* https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy
=== Agenda ===
* Introductions and Meeting Roles (10 mins)
* Check in on previous action items (5 mins)
* Updates & Reportbacks (20 mins)
* Next Sunday (5 mins)
* Proposal X: (15 mins)
* Discussion Y: (15 mins)
* Discussion Z (15 mins)
* Action Items (5 mins)
* Breakout Groups
=== Introductions ===
Introduce yourself: Name; Preferred Pronoun; Icebreaker Response; BRIEF Announcements
* Icebreaker question: favorite icebreaker question/activity
* null - him/her - favorite icebreaker question is my favorite flavor of ice cream
* mai - she/they - i like ones involving favorite memories: favorite summer, or comfort item
* jenny - she/her - involved talking to the person next to you for 2 minutes and then you have to introduce them
* seth-he/they- does drinking alcohol count?
* ben (eenblam) - he/they - dunno if it'd be right for PON since we see each other every week, but 2 truths and a lie
* juul - he/him - why am i all alone in here?
* scott - he/him - describe a time when you were most happy
* benny - he/him - something you wish all your friends knew about you
* lesley - she/they/he - it's a hard question. I like, 'what is your final form?' although that's an extra hard question :p
== announcements ==
* mai: have an extra ticket for devsummit if someone wants to go - If so let me know via RC
* ben: in touch with Rudy from Monkeybrains about getting donated bandwidth, will text him tomorrow.
=== Meeting Roles ===
* Facilitator/s: ben eenblam
* Stacktaker: benny
* Notetaker/s: jenny, mai, swth
** URL of this pad: https://peoplesopen.net/notes
== Check in on previous action items ==
Check previous meeting minutes at https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Minutes and past action items below:
* e-mail yar about tcp activities (benny)
** done!
* Reach out to insurance broker recommended by Jesse - Jehan
** jenny - I'll pick it back up and rope in Jehan, too
* e-mail some spaces about richmond tower link (benny)
** didn't get to it
** seth is getting good at Google Earth; might be cool if we could *show* places that can see it
* talk to marc about richmond tower server hardware (benny)
** juul says we don't have anything fancy to put there, but we do have some old servers we could use
** question for juul: what would be the ideal hardware we would want to put there? then: let's propose that to jonah and ask if he has anything similar--last time he came here, he said he probably had some hardware he would like to donate to us. in general jonah sounds super willing to help and collaborate--I think we should take him up on his energy in that regard. e.g. if we tell him at a high level what we want to happen there (e.g. run an exitnode) he might have good ideas. could have a breakout group to discuss our vision?
** benny: what would do with a server there?
*** scott: should we be able to have users share space on it?
*** benny: maybe we should just use this hardware for things in which the location is more important
*** eenblam: we should at least get an exitnode on there and random project hosting
*** juul: what if we had scuttlebutt & DAT on ithttps://www.reddit.com/r/all/
* create text for byoi eventbrite (mai)
** haven't done it yet (~_~) going to be gone for a lot of November, would like to hand it off
** benny - I can pick it up
== Updates & Reportbacks ==
=== Bugs/Technical ===
Priority bugs we need help with are located at: http://peoplesopen.net/helpwanted - For a high-level overview of recent Github activity, see the Trello: https://trello.com/invite/b/r9l5ouQ4/3b2eecd83bb9e7a57a339cf1ee038288/sudo-…
* benny: grant made lots of progress replacing psychz exitnode with less expensive digital ocean droplet. currently blocked by:
** blocker: need to repoint disaster.radio to a new DO ip address. Who owns the DNS entry? Juul?
=== Node Mounts & Outreach ===
Node Mounts Trello: https://trello.com/invite/b/DtzngKaM/49e1c21fc9da199fcdeceb8623b5117a/node-…
* benny: seth researched LOS to richmond from urban ore
* Follow up with Paxio?
* Archive mount
** ben: let's ask for rackspace
** juul: Would be really cool to peer with the archive, especially as a backup repo of content in the event of Internet going down
*** robb: hell ya!
** dedicating software working group this Thursday to further discussion - 5pm Thursday
** clear LOS from tower to urban ore based on google earth estimates
** discussed reconnecting w/ peef
* request for internets at Village's new site - Edes & Elmhurst
** juul: was going to write a proposal for Calyx subscription - $500/year, put it all in a box and secure it really well and have a mobile source of bandwidth w/ solar panel & battery!
*** widespread support for this idea
* Lesley - will test hardware for Jason. Maybe schedule weekend after next? Also, maybe we should upgrade currently scheduled hardware - he will soon have a fiber gigabit connection, so maybe get new equipment with higher throughput? In whihc case, installation would be delayed
** ben - e.g. a rocket for Benvenue. @lesley feel free to hit me up if you want to coordinate
*** lesley - sure! I was thinking this weekend or next. I need to confirm with Jason though.
*** ben - I'm out of town this weekend, but could work on gear next week and start hitting Benvenue folks up this week.
=== Communications & Events ===
Comms Trello: https://trello.com/invite/b/f3ugMPNU/94033ee6c2cef93fc1b1637b727c902a/sudo-… // Events Trello: https://trello.com/invite/b/Y3XfDK85/2b6fcb4fa92788609692a53a96fb4614/peopl…
* seth-tshirts
** woo!
* jenny - aaron swartz hackathon - https://www.eventbrite.com/e/aaron-swartz-day-international-hackathon-eveni…
* trip to visit grant's puppet show on wednesday eve! https://www.drivewayfollies.com/ 3854 greenwood ave
=== Internal Logistics / Finance ===
Internal Logistics & Bureaucracy Trello: https://trello.com/invite/b/LzVQlW3X/1bb8bd543c8633688175365d2554c2c2/inter…
* jenny - deadline for disaster.radio grant work is coming up on Friday - probably going to be hackin on it thurs night
== Next Sunday ==
=== Node Mount ===
We try to arrange a rooftop node mount every Sunday afternoon. Ongoing spreadsheet is located at: https://peoplesopen.net/sundays
* Next Sunday's mount: to be determined?
=== Office Hours ===
We host office hours every Sunday from 1-2pm in Sudo Room. To sign up for a shift, fill in your name here: https://ethercalc.org/byoi_office_hours
* Next Sunday's volunteer: Seth
* Notes from this past Sunday's session: x
== Action Items ==
* Get in touch with MonkeyBrains about donated bandwidth (ben)
* Working group to meet and plan out routing config for Archive mount on thursday 5-7
** juul, benny, null, mai, jenny, eenblam, grant, lesley
** send e-mail about richmond tower working group meeting (mai)
* create text for byoi eventbrite (benny)
* create poster for byoi event (benny)
* combine "node mount" and "office hours" sections in notes template (benny)
== Breakout Groups ==
At the end of the meeting, break out into small groups to hack on or discuss specific topics.
*
== Last Meeting Notes ==
* link to previous meeting minutes
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/23_October_2018
== End of Meeting ==
* please archive these meeting notes by copying the entire pad contents onto the sudomesh wiki with the correct date format: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/30_October_2018
* then please erase the contents of this pad
* then please cut & paste a blank template from here: https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/Mesh_Meeting_Notes_Temp…
* previous meeting notes are archived here: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Mesh/Minutes
Hey there! Do you have questions about the internet? How it works? Why it
works? Who works it?
So do we!
Come (in costume!) to build-your-own-internet office hours today from 1-3pm
in sudoroom. Special guest Cereal Killer will be there to answer your
questions (and talk your ear off: https://youtu.be/xqh0y-eXIcY).
Afterwards, a number of folks are heading to Richmond for the Internet
Archive's family friendly Physical Archive Party (
https://blog.archive.org/2018/09/28/physical-archive-party-october-28th-201…
).
Bring your skates! 🌐🖥️🎃
--Benny
Hi everybody,
My company (Althea) is putting on 2 days of hands-on classes taught by
Graham from www.buildyourownisp.com. This will be on November 10th-11th.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/altheapalooza-tickets-51046373076
We will also have a couple small presentations by myself and my colleagues
on our particular Althea mesh software, but the overwhelming majority of
the event will consist of classes about setting up antennas, backhaul
connections, etc etc. We have been selling tickets to offset the cost, but
anyone from sudomesh or this email list can get in free (just email me
directly).
-Jehan
