Re: [mesh-dev] What we learned today

Thanks for updating us so quickly with this! I'm just going to ponder out loud for a little seeing as how we seem to be a bit stuck in the brainstorming phase of this. The other intriguing option is a two-hop radio link (up to the hills and then down to a data center). We discussed using licensed bands for this, and it seems feasible with some perseverance. Again, don't know much it'll cost. Do we think that a data center might allow us to put something on their roof? FR got away with it for a while with L3 in Mendocino, but it seems like we'll be likely interfacing with a much busier datacenter

Transport is tricky. We learned that BART can provide transport (not just dark fiber leases), but we don't know where we can connect to them physically, so an additional radio or fiber link may be necessary. Don't know how much it'll cost. Well we are VERY close to the BART line, so in that way we're pretty lucky :-) Any idea how we follow up with that? Did they suggest any places to start?

Ok and just one more idea: We're paying around $100/month for our bi-directional 100mbps connection at omni. That connection regularly gets used by dozens of people. Would it be feasible to put out a call for people who can be served by LMI and/or who might have alternative access to 100mps (symmetric-ish)? We could figure out a way to at least partially subsidize their connection prices. At that point, we're paying $1/mbps and we'd have decentralized locations which could potentially improve our range....

On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Alexander Papazoglou &lt;papazoga(a)gmail.com <mailto:papazoga@gmail.com>> wrote: Today April and I spoke with Tim and Chris about our problems with obtaining an uplink. The tl;dr version is that we have two possibilities for circumventing the last-mile shakedown: BART and radio links. You probably don't need to read the rest. :) First off, the prices quoted to us for a 1Gbit were fairly normal. They are due to the last-mile being neither competitive nor transparent. Zayo may still be an option, but getting the building wired for fiber may be a huge ordeal and it still might be very expensive. The only workaround may be to find an alternative, cheaper route to a data center; IP transit is cheap these days and getting cheaper. There are two sources of problems here: transport (the connection from our network to a data center) and data center internals. The data centers we have available to us are: "365 Main St." in downtown Oakland, Evocative in Emeryville, and then things further away such as Hurricane Electric. Unfortunately, the AT&T CO near the Omni is probably not useful to us. There's a whole lot of cost and complexity involved in getting into a data center and it would be nice to avoid paying for co-location. Transport is tricky. We learned that BART can provide transport (not just dark fiber leases), but we don't know where we can connect to them physically, so an additional radio or fiber link may be necessary. Don't know how much it'll cost. The other intriguing option is a two-hop radio link (up to the hills and then down to a data center). We discussed using licensed bands for this, and it seems feasible with some perseverance. Again, don't know much it'll cost. We also discussed my idea of attaching fiber to poles, which seems to be feasible in theory but probably prohibitively expensive for us. Alex _______________________________________________ mesh-dev mailing list mesh-dev(a)lists.sudoroom.org <mailto:mesh-dev@lists.sudoroom.org> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh-dev _______________________________________________ mesh-dev mailing list mesh-dev(a)lists.sudoroom.org https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/mesh-dev