so I don't know what happened before I arrived, except that yar said
"i fixed it by plugging it in" and I don't know what exactly that means, and i
would like to know exactly.
anyway, when I got there the beaglebone black was somehow powered off (no LEDS)
but it had 5v being supplied to it. I have no idea what caused that.
i power cycled the beaglebone black AND the USB hub's power source (which is
separate) and then everything worked. Someone should install a button in the
cabinet to do a reset like that. for some reason, when the BBB and USB hub are
not both power cycled, it can lead to a situation where the doorjam program
doesn't connect to the magstripe reader and everyone is unhappy.
it would have been nice if sudobot had alerted us to the fact that it was not
hearing back from the front door computer, but i think that functionality has
been disabled? I can't tell why it doesn't work.
https://github.com/sudoroom/sudobot
fixing the bot, so it alerts us when there is a problem, should be our next
step toward higher reliability of the front door system.
does anyone volunteer to do that? it's running on the sudoroom server (in the
building) under its own username, using psy as a process manager.
-jake
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, Jake wrote:
> i don't see any difference between the way it looks in image 5817 and the way
> it's looked for months... the bottom screw may have fallen out (it wasn't
> really sticking into anything anyway) but it also may have been missing for a
> long time.
>
> in the second image, 5819, it looks like someone pushed it to the left on its
> one screw.
>
> i'll go there later tonight to see what's going on.
>
> for right now, i see that I can't even log into the front door computer. It
> has an internal battery backup, so if it was unplugged from AC it should have
> said something in IRC about the battery getting low. I said a while ago that
> we needed a dedicated ethernet to it, since presently its ethernet connection
> is passing through a switch which can get unplugged easily, instantly
> disconnecting it from the internet and its ability to alert us to problems.
>
> my guess is that the switch and the door computer both got unplugged from
> electricity, and the battery ran out (with no way to alert us) and then
> people
> started messing with the card reader since it wasn't working to let them in.
>
> -jake
>
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, Yardena Cohen wrote:
>
>> It looks like somebody handled it roughly. It's partially falling off
>> and the wires are messed up.
>>
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the wheelchair motor that Robb wanted to use for a projection screen
raise/lower thing is something else.
The motor I want to use for the front door opener is this one:
http://imgur.com/gallery/MLuT7
it's in sudoroom in a milk crate. Robb and I remove the wheel and the tire,
and now it's ready for the motor to be mounted on a bracket that will hold it
in the right place, which is slightly higher than the top of the door, and
basically 2' south of the door's hinges.
then, a 2x2 of wood will attach to the top corner of the door with a hinge, and
it will have a cord of this rubber-wrapped steel cable (which I have) go from
one end of the 2x2 to the other, taking a couple of turns around the motor
wheel. It will look like this:
http://spaz.org/~jake/pix/omnidoormotor1.png
as you can see from this diagram, when the motor turns its wheel clockwise (as
viewed from above) the 2x2 stick will be pushed in the direction that opens the
door. If it's not clear, the rubber-wrapped steel cable (shown in red/black
stripes) is attached to the 2x2 stick at both ends, but it makes a couple of
turns around the wheel of the motor on its way.
anyway, i chose this motor because when it's not being energized with
electricity, it's free-moving which means it won't interfere with regular door
movement. But when we activate it, it will be strong enough to open or close
the door as we tell it to do.
The issues you mention about battery backup are not a problem. We already have
a battery backup for the front door card (and soon RFID) access system, and
this motorized thing will be battery-backed as well.
I am willing to do the electrical part of this project, and I have already
acquired the rubber-coated steel cable and motor, but I ask that other people
take care of mounting the motor on a suitable frame above the door and help
make the 2x2 stick on a hinge which will attach to the door.
I will be at sudoroom tomorrow night (tuesday night at 7) in case anyone wants
to meet with me about this.
-jake
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
> I remember hearing about that wheelchair motor -- if it's the same one,
> last I heard Robb had wanted to use it to raise/lower a projection screen
> for the stage..? So I didn't think of it for this project, but if we can
> use it and save ourselves some money, that's great!
>
> I realize you may have already considered this aspect but as a DIY opener
> will also need to comply with code requirements, do you think you can
> design a system measurably compliant with:
>
> - opening / closing force (<5lb) and speed (max. *N* seconds to close)
> requirements throughout the swing, during automatic operation and manual
> operation per ANSI/BHMA A156.19 for low-energy-operated doors, ICC A117.1,
> ADA and whatever may be found in CBC?
>
> - req'd UPS / backup battery power for opener, for *N* many operations
> (need to look it up)
>
> - compliant location of upper and lower door actuators (buttons), assume
> this will be no issue
>
> If it's helpful, here is a decent article I found that glosses the subject
> of codes for low-energy openers:
> http://www.constructionspecifier.com/understanding-new-accessibility-requir…
> <http://www.constructionspecifier.com/understanding-new-accessibility-requir…>
>
> Given the above, and I realize I only now just brought this up to you, but
> I guess my only concern about any DIY implementation is, if you / access
> group has the time to implement it relatively soon..? E.g., do you think it
> might be possible to complete in the next 2-3 weeks or so..?
>
> I realize perhaps that is an unfair question to ask before you've really
> started hacking on it, but I'm also trying to be realistic and pragmatic
> wrt to how busy everyone is and the understandably extended timelines of
> volunteer labor in general that comprises the bulk of omni efforts --
>
> If after reviewing the door req's, you think a DIY system is doable in the
> next 2-3 wks, let me know how / when I can help hack on this and I will
> follow up with you and access control group directly -- and perhaps we can
> set a date to meet up about it?
>
> Best,
> David
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Maureen Muldavin <muldavin.m(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If you are working on RFID cards any possibility that the entrance to
>> sudo/ccl could get a card reader? Been wanting access control for
>> awhile.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
>>> i brought in a wheelchair motor a while ago that I think could be made
>> into
>>> a
>>> power door-opener pretty well.
>>>
>>> I can work on a proof-of-concept for that and then be able to show you
>> what
>>> I
>>> mean, and then we can see if it will be good enough for our needs as
>> opposed
>>> to
>>> spending $2800 on a "proper" door opener.
>>>
>>> as for the RFID cards, Alex and I have been working on implementing the
>> card
>>> reader thing for a little while and I think I can add it to the front
>> door
>>> pretty relatively easily.., and I guess i'll do that first, rather than
>>> trying
>>> to do a storage closet first?
>>>
>>> as always, if anyone wants to participate in this process they should
>>> definitely jump in, otherwise it's subject to my chaotic schedule.
>>>
>>> technical questions about making this happen should be sent to the access
>>> list
>>> and possibly the sudoroom list, but probably not the building list as it
>>> will
>>> be a major distraction if we get into the weeds of microcontroller boards
>>> and
>>> door server code...
>>>
>>> also, yes I do have the box of RFID stuff you ordered and i've been
>> working
>>> on
>>> it~
>>>
>>> -jake
>>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jake / access control folks -
>>>>
>>>> So now that our front door is publicly labelled as accessible, we need
>> to
>>>> install an automatic door opener & remote button (kickplate &
>> hand-height
>>>> or a long bar) to make it legal.
>>>>
>>>> Reason I bring this up to you guys is, the opener system will need to
>>>> integrate into our existing/future access control somehow. The quote I
>> got
>>>> is $2800 (50% parts, 50% labor) for a package including the Open Sesame
>>>> Model 233 (brochure
>>>> <http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/open_sesame_brochure.pdf
>>> ,
>>>> spec
>>>> sheet <http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/specs_model233.pdf
>>> ),
>>>>
>>>> made in San Leandro.
>>>>
>>>> Also, some of us met last week re: sketching out Omni's accessibility
>>>> plan,
>>>> and Yar suggested this might be a good time to also implement RFID
>> system
>>>> for the front door, if that was possible? In part because, proximity to
>> an
>>>> RFID fob is more accessible than a card swipe which (after thinking
>> about
>>>> it) I realized requires a pincing motion that is likely not ADA...
>> because
>>>> of the excessive door opening pressure and iffy slope on the front
>>>> landing,
>>>> we need an RFID & auto-opener.
>>>>
>>>> So -- I'm not sure if any more work has been done on the RFID systems I
>>>> put
>>>> in sudo a little while ago (stashed in under-stair storage area), might
>> it
>>>> be possible to integrate these into the door opener? I note in the
>>>> brochure
>>>> they offer a keypad access option - perhaps an opportunity for 2-factor
>>>> authentication like Marc had talked about? Anyhow what do you guys
>> think?
>>>>
>>>> I apologize for not helping y'all more with a better access control
>> system
>>>> (helping spaces post-ghostship consumed my bandwidth), but as there is
>> now
>>>> renewed pressure I want to help as I can. Would installing a trial
>>>> RFID/throw on the Omni Office for example still be helpful towards
>> getting
>>>> this nailed down? Lmk
>>>>
>>>> Fwiw - I see the opener as pressing at this point not just 'cause its
>> long
>>>> overdue, but because every day our front door is labelled as accessible
>>>> when it's technically not, is actually a not-insignificant liability
>> issue
>>>> (accessibility lawsuit). Plus of course, we are still under scrutiny by
>>>> the
>>>> city, nimby neighbors trying to call us out for bogus reasons, etc etc.
>>>> And
>>>> per building code the front door must be made fully accessible before
>> any
>>>> other accessibility work starts on the rest of the building - at some
>>>> point
>>>> an inspector's gonna notice since they all go through that door..anyhow.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know how myself & those of us working on accessibility might be
>>>> able
>>>> to help -
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
i think the entrance to sudo/ccl should have a door before we bother putting a
card reader.
the door that had been there was removed, because it swung inwards, which is
unacceptable for an emergency exit. The door needs to be re-installed with the
hinges swinging outward, so that in case an emergency happens in sudo/ccl
people can just flood outward.
after the door is installed that way, with a panic bar (not a regular doorknob)
we can install a card reader.
-jake
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, Maureen Muldavin wrote:
> If you are working on RFID cards any possibility that the entrance to
> sudo/ccl could get a card reader? Been wanting access control for
> awhile.
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
>> i brought in a wheelchair motor a while ago that I think could be made into
>> a
>> power door-opener pretty well.
>>
>> I can work on a proof-of-concept for that and then be able to show you what
>> I
>> mean, and then we can see if it will be good enough for our needs as opposed
>> to
>> spending $2800 on a "proper" door opener.
>>
>> as for the RFID cards, Alex and I have been working on implementing the card
>> reader thing for a little while and I think I can add it to the front door
>> pretty relatively easily.., and I guess i'll do that first, rather than
>> trying
>> to do a storage closet first?
>>
>> as always, if anyone wants to participate in this process they should
>> definitely jump in, otherwise it's subject to my chaotic schedule.
>>
>> technical questions about making this happen should be sent to the access
>> list
>> and possibly the sudoroom list, but probably not the building list as it
>> will
>> be a major distraction if we get into the weeds of microcontroller boards
>> and
>> door server code...
>>
>> also, yes I do have the box of RFID stuff you ordered and i've been working
>> on
>> it~
>>
>> -jake
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jake / access control folks -
>>>
>>> So now that our front door is publicly labelled as accessible, we need to
>>> install an automatic door opener & remote button (kickplate & hand-height
>>> or a long bar) to make it legal.
>>>
>>> Reason I bring this up to you guys is, the opener system will need to
>>> integrate into our existing/future access control somehow. The quote I got
>>> is $2800 (50% parts, 50% labor) for a package including the Open Sesame
>>> Model 233 (brochure
>>> <http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/open_sesame_brochure.pdf>,
>>> spec
>>> sheet <http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/specs_model233.pdf>),
>>>
>>> made in San Leandro.
>>>
>>> Also, some of us met last week re: sketching out Omni's accessibility
>>> plan,
>>> and Yar suggested this might be a good time to also implement RFID system
>>> for the front door, if that was possible? In part because, proximity to an
>>> RFID fob is more accessible than a card swipe which (after thinking about
>>> it) I realized requires a pincing motion that is likely not ADA... because
>>> of the excessive door opening pressure and iffy slope on the front
>>> landing,
>>> we need an RFID & auto-opener.
>>>
>>> So -- I'm not sure if any more work has been done on the RFID systems I
>>> put
>>> in sudo a little while ago (stashed in under-stair storage area), might it
>>> be possible to integrate these into the door opener? I note in the
>>> brochure
>>> they offer a keypad access option - perhaps an opportunity for 2-factor
>>> authentication like Marc had talked about? Anyhow what do you guys think?
>>>
>>> I apologize for not helping y'all more with a better access control system
>>> (helping spaces post-ghostship consumed my bandwidth), but as there is now
>>> renewed pressure I want to help as I can. Would installing a trial
>>> RFID/throw on the Omni Office for example still be helpful towards getting
>>> this nailed down? Lmk
>>>
>>> Fwiw - I see the opener as pressing at this point not just 'cause its long
>>> overdue, but because every day our front door is labelled as accessible
>>> when it's technically not, is actually a not-insignificant liability issue
>>> (accessibility lawsuit). Plus of course, we are still under scrutiny by
>>> the
>>> city, nimby neighbors trying to call us out for bogus reasons, etc etc.
>>> And
>>> per building code the front door must be made fully accessible before any
>>> other accessibility work starts on the rest of the building - at some
>>> point
>>> an inspector's gonna notice since they all go through that door..anyhow.
>>>
>>> Let me know how myself & those of us working on accessibility might be
>>> able
>>> to help -
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> David
>>>
>>
>
Hey Access Folks,
The door is broken. Someone hacked the swipe. Who has metal door keys that we can make? If everyone leaves tonight, no on will be able to get in.
I'm here, 914.374.0157 if anyone needs to get in.
Does anyone know what happened?
Kazoo Studios
www.KazooStudios.net
I've shared some items with you:
IMG_5179.JPG
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4_Uo5o7HiI7azRTWlUwVFJ5T05Wb3BNZExOWHlTUE…
IMG_5178.JPG
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4_Uo5o7HiI7cWw1eXZOd0RHT252TGZQcjVpZ204MF…
They're not attachments -- they're stored online. To open these items, just
click the links above.
Hey Jake, et al., Here is a link to the photos of what's up. The camera to
the door is also not working. If you swipe your card, the door doesn't
open, and it looks like someone hacked it- opened it up and (maybe) fucked
with the wires. I am sending the link to photos because folks with riseup
won't receive the images. Do we have metal keys we can copy? Kazoo
Hi Jake / access control folks -
So now that our front door is publicly labelled as accessible, we need to
install an automatic door opener & remote button (kickplate & hand-height
or a long bar) to make it legal.
Reason I bring this up to you guys is, the opener system will need to
integrate into our existing/future access control somehow. The quote I got
is $2800 (50% parts, 50% labor) for a package including the Open Sesame
Model 233 (brochure
<http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/open_sesame_brochure.pdf>, spec
sheet <http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/specs_model233.pdf>),
made in San Leandro.
Also, some of us met last week re: sketching out Omni's accessibility plan,
and Yar suggested this might be a good time to also implement RFID system
for the front door, if that was possible? In part because, proximity to an
RFID fob is more accessible than a card swipe which (after thinking about
it) I realized requires a pincing motion that is likely not ADA... because
of the excessive door opening pressure and iffy slope on the front landing,
we need an RFID & auto-opener.
So -- I'm not sure if any more work has been done on the RFID systems I put
in sudo a little while ago (stashed in under-stair storage area), might it
be possible to integrate these into the door opener? I note in the brochure
they offer a keypad access option - perhaps an opportunity for 2-factor
authentication like Marc had talked about? Anyhow what do you guys think?
I apologize for not helping y'all more with a better access control system
(helping spaces post-ghostship consumed my bandwidth), but as there is now
renewed pressure I want to help as I can. Would installing a trial
RFID/throw on the Omni Office for example still be helpful towards getting
this nailed down? Lmk
Fwiw - I see the opener as pressing at this point not just 'cause its long
overdue, but because every day our front door is labelled as accessible
when it's technically not, is actually a not-insignificant liability issue
(accessibility lawsuit). Plus of course, we are still under scrutiny by the
city, nimby neighbors trying to call us out for bogus reasons, etc etc. And
per building code the front door must be made fully accessible before any
other accessibility work starts on the rest of the building - at some point
an inspector's gonna notice since they all go through that door..anyhow.
Let me know how myself & those of us working on accessibility might be able
to help -
Best,
David
Hi guys,
Omg. Thank you all so much for working on this!
(CC'ing Maureen & Yar who are planning to meet up with me & Tara Monday, to
talk about our longer-term accessibility plan).
Fwiw I don't know if the keycard access is ADA-compliant or not. If I had
to guess, I suspect it is compliant since folks swipe at grocery stores and
other mandatory-accessible places -- and as long the swipe is not mounted
too high up, which I don't think it is -- but, I've never looked into that
specifically so I can't say for. Something to look up.
I can't think of anything non-compliant about having a locked door,
openable by the electronic / swipe system. IE my understanding is, when the
card is swiped, the throw is engaged and the door can be opened by just
pushing down on the handle. The outstanding issue is likely the amount of
force required to then open the door which last I checked was
>5lb/pressure.
On this tip BTW I also went over this week and renewed our associated,
recently expired electrical E permit that I realized would have also
prevented us from finalling this B permit (I think we forgot to extend the
electrical with the building permit so it expired, cost to renew: $205) so
now there is no block in that respect either..
Our new/old E permit for the record:
E1700088 Elec Permit ext.of E1601588_2017-01-04...
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCWmU1cms3OExCRUE/view?usp=drive…>
Yay, the signs arrived? Joe, that's great! I don't think I ever heard back
as to whether they were ordered so I'm relieved to hear it -
Re: fulfilling the entryway accessibility requirements in general, first it
might be a good idea to briefly skim the B permit's accessibility worksheet
as submitted (quick):
Accessibility Worksheet - cafe area - FINAL AS ...
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCUllwQ0RaRFppM1E/view?usp=drive…>
Some things on this worksheet we're not gonna do right now, like the
kickplate for example -- since, even if we have it on hand (which I think
we do?) installation makes little sense to me at least without the
automatic opener it's supposed to activate -- while installing a
nonfunctional button like this would actually open us up to increased
liability, compared to not having it..
But hopefully the signage will allow us to schedule the final inspection,
close our sole open complaint and then finally be done with it :)
It should be said though that, since as I understand it, we will now have
accessibility signage outside advertising the corner door an accessible
entrance, we are at significantly increased risk of accessibility or code
complaint, since the corner door is not yet actually legally accessible.
The most noticeable aspects being: last I checked:
..still >5lb opening pressure for the wider door,
..>2% grade in the front landing, and
..the sidelight door is also very hard to open (i think the closer is
mis-adjusted for that smaller door)
Therefore, IMO with the signs up we really do have to make that door
actually accessible ie install an automatic opener --
Earlier this year, I got a quote on that for materials & labor (primarily
in order to help Mary Ann prepare for an accessibility grant):
Platform Lifts & Opener Quote LAS 2016-11-07.pdf
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjR12L1MEjCZkZxRmxEMEdteTQ/view?usp=drive…>
The 'Open Sesame' opener listed in the above quote is $2800 -- half of that
cost is labor, warranty, code compliance stuff. (The other stuff is to e.g.
replace our residential platform lift with a commercial one, if the one
jerry had stored for us is no longer available..) I do hear these openers
break down all the time so it might be worth it but we should think about
getting this done IMO.
To this end I would propose if we have any extra funds (such as from the
excess ~$30K from the $1M stock donation?), we have these contractors out
to install the opener and then we no longer need to worry about having a
genuinely accessible front entrance since it will provide equivalent
accommodation re: the opening force & exterior grade.
my 2c -
Thank you Joe!!
Best,
David
On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:11 PM, joseph liesner <blue393(a)lmi.net> wrote:
> yes Jake, that is a very nice option to have. Robb does not think
> we need to do that for our inspection next week . What do you think David?
> I'll check further and let you Jake, know if we need to use that option.
> Thanks so much
> joe
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Jake wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> do you mean you want the door to remain unlocked for certain periods of
> time?
>
> we can program the computer to simply keep the latch activated for hours
> at a
> time, that's easy.
>
> -jake
>
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2017, joseph liesner wrote:
>
> I am about to start hanging the access signs required
>
> to close out our entry hall building permit.
>
> I can only assume that for the inspection the access
>
> door on the corner of Shattuck and 48th should open
>
> just by holding the lever handle down then pulling
>
> (no key or card needed).
>
> Please let me know how to make this possible.
>
> Thanks
>
> joe
>
>
>
Joe,
do you mean you want the door to remain unlocked for certain periods of time?
we can program the computer to simply keep the latch activated for hours at a
time, that's easy.
-jake
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017, joseph liesner wrote:
> I am about to start hanging the access signs required
> to close out our entry hall building permit.
> I can only assume that for the inspection the access
> door on the corner of Shattuck and 48th should open
> just by holding the lever handle down then pulling
> (no key or card needed).
> Please let me know how to make this possible.
> Thanks
> joe
