16 Jan
2017
16 Jan
'17
12:53 a.m.
i think the entrance to sudo/ccl should have a door before we bother putting a
card reader.
the door that had been there was removed, because it swung inwards, which is
unacceptable for an emergency exit. The door needs to be re-installed with the
hinges swinging outward, so that in case an emergency happens in sudo/ccl
people can just flood outward.
after the door is installed that way, with a panic bar (not a regular doorknob)
we can install a card reader.
-jake
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, Maureen Muldavin wrote:
If you are working on RFID cards any possibility that
the entrance to
sudo/ccl could get a card reader? Been wanting access control for
awhile.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
i brought in a wheelchair motor a while ago that
I think could be made into
a
power door-opener pretty well.
I can work on a proof-of-concept for that and then be able to show you what
I
mean, and then we can see if it will be good enough for our needs as opposed
to
spending $2800 on a "proper" door opener.
as for the RFID cards, Alex and I have been working on implementing the card
reader thing for a little while and I think I can add it to the front door
pretty relatively easily.., and I guess i'll do that first, rather than
trying
to do a storage closet first?
as always, if anyone wants to participate in this process they should
definitely jump in, otherwise it's subject to my chaotic schedule.
technical questions about making this happen should be sent to the access
list
and possibly the sudoroom list, but probably not the building list as it
will
be a major distraction if we get into the weeds of microcontroller boards
and
door server code...
also, yes I do have the box of RFID stuff you ordered and i've been working
on
it~
-jake
On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
Hi Jake / access control folks -
So now that our front door is publicly labelled as accessible, we need to
install an automatic door opener & remote button (kickplate & hand-height
or a long bar) to make it legal.
Reason I bring this up to you guys is, the opener system will need to
integrate into our existing/future access control somehow. The quote I got
is $2800 (50% parts, 50% labor) for a package including the Open Sesame
Model 233 (brochure
<http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/open_sesame_brochure.pdf>,
spec
sheet <http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/specs_model233.pdf>),
made in San Leandro.
Also, some of us met last week re: sketching out Omni's accessibility
plan,
and Yar suggested this might be a good time to also implement RFID system
for the front door, if that was possible? In part because, proximity to an
RFID fob is more accessible than a card swipe which (after thinking about
it) I realized requires a pincing motion that is likely not ADA... because
of the excessive door opening pressure and iffy slope on the front
landing,
we need an RFID & auto-opener.
So -- I'm not sure if any more work has been done on the RFID systems I
put
in sudo a little while ago (stashed in under-stair storage area), might it
be possible to integrate these into the door opener? I note in the
brochure
they offer a keypad access option - perhaps an opportunity for 2-factor
authentication like Marc had talked about? Anyhow what do you guys think?
I apologize for not helping y'all more with a better access control system
(helping spaces post-ghostship consumed my bandwidth), but as there is now
renewed pressure I want to help as I can. Would installing a trial
RFID/throw on the Omni Office for example still be helpful towards getting
this nailed down? Lmk
Fwiw - I see the opener as pressing at this point not just 'cause its long
overdue, but because every day our front door is labelled as accessible
when it's technically not, is actually a not-insignificant liability issue
(accessibility lawsuit). Plus of course, we are still under scrutiny by
the
city, nimby neighbors trying to call us out for bogus reasons, etc etc.
And
per building code the front door must be made fully accessible before any
other accessibility work starts on the rest of the building - at some
point
an inspector's gonna notice since they all go through that door..anyhow.
Let me know how myself & those of us working on accessibility might be
able
to help -
Best,
David
16 Jan
16 Jan
4:19 p.m.
+1 for what Kaje said if anyone in the Building WG wants to start
coordinating this?
Jake, is the door still nearby?
Best,
David
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:53 AM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
i think the entrance to sudo/ccl should have a door
before we bother
putting a
card reader.
the door that had been there was removed, because it swung inwards, which
is
unacceptable for an emergency exit. The door needs to be re-installed
with the
hinges swinging outward, so that in case an emergency happens in sudo/ccl
people can just flood outward.
after the door is installed that way, with a panic bar (not a regular
doorknob)
we can install a card reader.
-jake
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, Maureen Muldavin wrote:
If you are working on RFID cards any possibility
that the entrance to
sudo/ccl could get a card reader? Been wanting
access control for
awhile.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Jake
<jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> i brought in a wheelchair motor a while ago
that I think could be made
into
> a
> power door-opener pretty well.
>
> I can work on a proof-of-concept for that and
then be able to show you
what
> I
> mean, and then we can see if it will be good
enough for our needs as
opposed
> to
> spending $2800 on a "proper" door
opener.
>
> as for the RFID cards, Alex and I have been
working on implementing the
card
> reader thing for a little while and I think I
can add it to the front
door
> pretty relatively easily.., and I guess
i'll do that first, rather than
> trying
> to do a storage closet first?
>
> as always, if anyone wants to participate in
this process they should
> definitely jump in, otherwise it's
subject to my chaotic schedule.
>
> technical questions about making this happen
should be sent to the
access
> list
> and possibly the sudoroom list, but probably
not the building list as it
> will
> be a major distraction if we get into the
weeds of microcontroller
boards
> and
> door server code...
>
> also, yes I do have the box of RFID stuff you
ordered and i've been
working
> on
> it~
>
> -jake
>
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
>
>> Hi Jake / access control folks -
>>
>> So now that our front door is publicly
labelled as accessible, we need
to
>> install an automatic door opener &
remote button (kickplate &
hand-height
>> or a long bar) to make it legal.
>>
>> Reason I bring this up to you guys is,
the opener system will need to
>> integrate into our existing/future access
control somehow. The quote I
got
>> is $2800 (50% parts, 50% labor) for a
package including the Open Sesame
>> Model 233 (brochure
>> <
http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/open_sesame_brochure.pdf>gt;,
>> spec
>> sheet <
http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/specs_model233.pdf>)t;),
>>
>> made in San Leandro.
>>
>> Also, some of us met last week re:
sketching out Omni's accessibility
>> plan,
>> and Yar suggested this might be a good
time to also implement RFID
system
>> for the front door, if that was possible?
In part because, proximity
to an
>> RFID fob is more accessible than a card
swipe which (after thinking
about
>> it) I realized requires a pincing motion
that is likely not ADA...
because
>> of the excessive door opening pressure
and iffy slope on the front
>> landing,
>> we need an RFID & auto-opener.
>>
>> So -- I'm not sure if any more work
has been done on the RFID systems I
>> put
>> in sudo a little while ago (stashed in
under-stair storage area),
might it
>> be possible to integrate these into the
door opener? I note in the
>> brochure
>> they offer a keypad access option -
perhaps an opportunity for 2-factor
>> authentication like Marc had talked
about? Anyhow what do you guys
think?
>>
>> I apologize for not helping y'all
more with a better access control
system
>> (helping spaces post-ghostship consumed
my bandwidth), but as there is
now
>> renewed pressure I want to help as I can.
Would installing a trial
>> RFID/throw on the Omni Office for example
still be helpful towards
getting
>> this nailed down? Lmk
>>
>> Fwiw - I see the opener as pressing at
this point not just 'cause its
long
>> overdue, but because every day our front
door is labelled as accessible
>> when it's technically not, is
actually a not-insignificant liability
issue
>> (accessibility lawsuit). Plus of course,
we are still under scrutiny by
>> the
>> city, nimby neighbors trying to call us
out for bogus reasons, etc etc.
>> And
>> per building code the front door must be
made fully accessible before
any
>> other accessibility work starts on the
rest of the building - at some
>> point
>> an inspector's gonna notice since
they all go through that
door..anyhow.
>>
>> Let me know how myself & those of us
working on accessibility might be
>> able
>> to help -
>>
>> Best,
>> David
>>
>
6:09 p.m.
according to Matt:
"The correct door that fits there is currently in the pile of materials
in the basement."
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
+1 for what Kaje said if anyone in the Building WG
wants to start
coordinating this?
Jake, is the door still nearby?
Best,
David
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:53 AM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
i think the entrance to sudo/ccl should have a
door before we bother
putting a
card reader.
the door that had been there was removed, because it swung inwards, which
is
unacceptable for an emergency exit. The door needs to be re-installed
with the
hinges swinging outward, so that in case an emergency happens in sudo/ccl
people can just flood outward.
after the door is installed that way, with a panic bar (not a regular
doorknob)
we can install a card reader.
-jake
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, Maureen Muldavin wrote:
>
If you are working on RFID cards any possibility
that the entrance to
sudo/ccl could get a card reader? Been wanting
access control for
awhile.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Jake
<jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> i brought in a wheelchair motor a while ago
that I think could be made
into
> a
> power door-opener pretty well.
> > I can work on a proof-of-concept for that and
then be able to show you
what
> I
> mean, and then we can see if it will be good
enough for our needs as
opposed
> to
> spending $2800 on a "proper" door
opener.
> > as for the RFID cards, Alex and I have been
working on implementing the
card
> reader thing for a little while and I think I
can add it to the front
door
> pretty relatively easily.., and I guess
i'll do that first, rather than
> trying
> to do a storage closet first?
> > as always, if anyone wants to participate in
this process they should
> definitely jump in, otherwise it's
subject to my chaotic schedule.
> > technical questions about making this happen
should be sent to the
access
> list
> and possibly the sudoroom list, but probably
not the building list as it
> will
> be a major distraction if we get into the
weeds of microcontroller
boards
> and
> door server code...
> > also, yes I do have the box of RFID stuff you
ordered and i've been
working
> on
> it~
> > -jake
> > On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
> >> Hi Jake / access control folks -
>> >> So now that our front door is publicly
labelled as accessible, we need
to
>> install an automatic door opener &
remote button (kickplate &
hand-height
>> or a long bar) to make it legal.
>> >> Reason I bring this up to you guys is,
the opener system will need to
>> integrate into our existing/future access
control somehow. The quote I
got
>> is $2800 (50% parts, 50% labor) for a
package including the Open Sesame
>> Model 233 (brochure
>> <
http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/open_sesame_brochure.pdf>gt;,
>> spec
>> sheet <
http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/specs_model233.pdf>)t;),
>> >> made in San Leandro.
>> >> Also, some of us met last week re:
sketching out Omni's accessibility
>> plan,
>> and Yar suggested this might be a good
time to also implement RFID
system
>> for the front door, if that was possible?
In part because, proximity
to an
>> RFID fob is more accessible than a card
swipe which (after thinking
about
>> it) I realized requires a pincing motion
that is likely not ADA...
because
>> of the excessive door opening pressure
and iffy slope on the front
>> landing,
>> we need an RFID & auto-opener.
>> >> So -- I'm not sure if any more work
has been done on the RFID systems I
>> put
>> in sudo a little while ago (stashed in
under-stair storage area),
might it
>> be possible to integrate these into the
door opener? I note in the
>> brochure
>> they offer a keypad access option -
perhaps an opportunity for 2-factor
>> authentication like Marc had talked
about? Anyhow what do you guys
think?
>> >> I apologize for not helping y'all
more with a better access control
system
>> (helping spaces post-ghostship consumed
my bandwidth), but as there is
now
>> renewed pressure I want to help as I can.
Would installing a trial
>> RFID/throw on the Omni Office for example
still be helpful towards
getting
>> this nailed down? Lmk
>> >> Fwiw - I see the opener as pressing at
this point not just 'cause its
long
>> overdue, but because every day our front
door is labelled as accessible
>> when it's technically not, is
actually a not-insignificant liability
issue
>> (accessibility lawsuit). Plus of course,
we are still under scrutiny by
>> the
>> city, nimby neighbors trying to call us
out for bogus reasons, etc etc.
>> And
>> per building code the front door must be
made fully accessible before
any
>> other accessibility work starts on the
rest of the building - at some
>> point
>> an inspector's gonna notice since
they all go through that
door..anyhow.
>> >> Let me know how myself & those of us
working on accessibility might be
>> able
>> to help -
>> >> Best,
>> David
>>
8 p.m.
Oh right.. yeah probably got moved down there in advance of the fire
inspection.
If Enoch is back from Cuba, I'll ask if he has any time for hanging it -
Best,
David
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:09 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
according to Matt:
"The correct door that fits there is currently in the pile of materials
in the basement."
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
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+1 for what Kaje said if anyone in the Building WG
wants to start
coordinating this?
Jake, is the door still nearby?
Best,
David
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:53 AM Jake
<jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> i think the entrance to sudo/ccl should have a
door before we bother
> putting a
> > card reader.
> > the door that had been there was removed, because
it swung inwards, which
> is
> > unacceptable for an emergency exit. The door
needs to be re-installed
> with the
> > hinges swinging outward, so that in case an
emergency happens in sudo/ccl
> > people can just flood outward.
> > after the door is installed that way, with a panic
bar (not a regular
> doorknob)
> > we can install a card reader.
> > -jake
> > On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, Maureen Muldavin wrote:
> >> If you are working on RFID cards any
possibility that the entrance to
> >> sudo/ccl could get a card reader? Been wanting
access control for
> >> awhile.
> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Jake
<jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> >>> i brought in a wheelchair motor a while
ago that I think could be made
> into
> >>> a
> >>> power door-opener pretty well.
> >>> I can work on a proof-of-concept for that
and then be able to show you
> what
> >>> I
> >>> mean, and then we can see if it will be
good enough for our needs as
> opposed
> >>> to
> >>> spending $2800 on a "proper"
door opener.
> >>> as for the RFID cards, Alex and I have
been working on implementing the
> card
> >>> reader thing for a little while and I
think I can add it to the front
> door
> >>> pretty relatively easily.., and I guess
i'll do that first, rather than
> >>> trying
> >>> to do a storage closet first?
> >>> as always, if anyone wants to participate
in this process they should
> >>> definitely jump in, otherwise it's
subject to my chaotic schedule.
> >>> technical questions about making this
happen should be sent to the
> access
> >>> list
> >>> and possibly the sudoroom list, but
probably not the building list as
it
> >>> will
> >>> be a major distraction if we get into the
weeds of microcontroller
> boards
> >>> and
> >>> door server code...
> >>> also, yes I do have the box of RFID stuff
you ordered and i've been
> working
> >>> on
> >>> it~
> > -jake
> >>> On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
> >>>> Hi Jake / access control folks -
> >>>> So now that our front door is publicly
labelled as accessible, we need
> to
> >>>> install an automatic door opener &
remote button (kickplate &
> hand-height
> >>>> or a long bar) to make it legal.
> >>>> Reason I bring this up to you guys is,
the opener system will need to
> >>>> integrate into our existing/future
access control somehow. The quote I
> got
> >>>> is $2800 (50% parts, 50% labor) for a
package including the Open
Sesame
> >>>> Model 233 (brochure
> >>>> <
> >>>> spec
> >>>> sheet <
> >>>> made in San Leandro.
> >>>> Also, some of us met last week re:
sketching out Omni's accessibility
> >>>> plan,
> >>>> and Yar suggested this might be a good
time to also implement RFID
> system
> >>>> for the front door, if that was
possible? In part because, proximity
> to an
> >>>> RFID fob is more accessible than a
card swipe which (after thinking
> about
> >>>> it) I realized requires a pincing
motion that is likely not ADA...
> because
> >>>> of the excessive door opening pressure
and iffy slope on the front
> >>>> landing,
> >>>> we need an RFID & auto-opener.
> >>>> So -- I'm not sure if any more
work has been done on the RFID systems
I
> >>>> put
> >>>> in sudo a little while ago (stashed in
under-stair storage area),
> might it
> >>>> be possible to integrate these into
the door opener? I note in the
> >>>> brochure
> >>>> they offer a keypad access option -
perhaps an opportunity for
2-factor
> >>>> authentication like Marc had talked
about? Anyhow what do you guys
> think?
> >>>> I apologize for not helping y'all
more with a better access control
> system
> >>>> (helping spaces post-ghostship
consumed my bandwidth), but as there is
> now
> >>>> renewed pressure I want to help as I
can. Would installing a trial
> >>>> RFID/throw on the Omni Office for
example still be helpful towards
> getting
> >>>> this nailed down? Lmk
> >>>> Fwiw - I see the opener as pressing at
this point not just 'cause its
> long
> >>>> overdue, but because every day our
front door is labelled as
accessible
> >>>> when it's technically not, is
actually a not-insignificant liability
> issue
> >>>> (accessibility lawsuit). Plus of
course, we are still under scrutiny
by
> >>>> the
> >>>> city, nimby neighbors trying to call
us out for bogus reasons, etc
etc.
> >>>> And
> >>>> per building code the front door must
be made fully accessible before
> any
> >>>> other accessibility work starts on the
rest of the building - at some
> >>>> point
> >>>> an inspector's gonna notice since
they all go through that
> door..anyhow.
> >>>> Let me know how myself & those of
us working on accessibility might be
> >>>> able
> >>>> to help -
> Best,
> David
>
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