16 Aug
2016
16 Aug
'16
10:31 a.m.
Many of the new notebooks from the DMI Summer School are designed to work
with a subset of ICANN email data having to do with human rights.
Ideally, what gets included in the core BigBang repository is easy for
people to started with. That's why all the other notebooks have used just a
few SciPy mailing lists.
I'm wondering whether we should include the ICANN data in the core BigBang
repository.
I don't think there's a privacy issue with that, though maybe somebody else
might have a reason to object.
It would also be a strong signal that BigBang is now intended to be used to
analyze Internet governance, not just open source communities.
Thoughts?
- s
16 Aug
16 Aug
11:23 a.m.
Hi Sebastian,
We can include the ICANN data, and soon we should also be able to
introduce IETF data :)
Cheers,
Niels
Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital
Article 19
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On 08/16/2016 12:31 PM, Sebastian Benthall wrote:
Many of the new notebooks from the DMI Summer School
are designed to
work with a subset of ICANN email data having to do with human rights.
Ideally, what gets included in the core BigBang repository is easy for
people to started with. That's why all the other notebooks have used
just a few SciPy mailing lists.
I'm wondering whether we should include the ICANN data in the core
BigBang repository.
I don't think there's a privacy issue with that, though maybe somebody
else might have a reason to object.
It would also be a strong signal that BigBang is now intended to be used
to analyze Internet governance, not just open source communities.
Thoughts?
- s
11:44 a.m.
Generally it's good not to have all the data one works with checked into
version control.
Actually currently *no* data is checked into version control. When you
install BigBang you have to run the collect_mail scripts before getting
anything out of the notebooks.
If there's a project that uses BigBang for extensive analysis of data from
a single source, then it's probably best to keep that as a fork and have it
update from the core repository.
What I'm wondering now is whether all, some, or none of the Summer School
notebooks should make it in as is. Currently there are many near-duplicate
notebooks in the examples/ directory, along with a lot of other stuff from
previous uses of the software.
Some hard work that's going to need to happen soon is pruning and
standardizing the stuff in that directory. Along the way we should come up
with code quality guidelines and standards for new notebooks.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Niels ten Oever <niels(a)article19.org>
wrote:
Hi Sebastian,
We can include the ICANN data, and soon we should also be able to
introduce IETF data :)
Cheers,
Niels
Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital
Article 19
www.article19.org
PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4
678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9
On 08/16/2016 12:31 PM, Sebastian Benthall wrote:
Many of the new notebooks from the DMI Summer
School are designed to
work with a subset of ICANN email data having to do with human rights.
Ideally, what gets included in the core BigBang repository is easy for
people to started with. That's why all the other notebooks have used
just a few SciPy mailing lists.
I'm wondering whether we should include the ICANN data in the core
BigBang repository.
I don't think there's a privacy issue with that, though maybe somebody
else might have a reason to object.
It would also be a strong signal that BigBang is now intended to be used
to analyze Internet governance, not just open source communities.
Thoughts?
- s
11:49 a.m.
I agree that it doesn't seem like a good practice to include the data itself in the
research tool repository. Maybe we could just include a version of the script that would
download all the data needed for that group of notebooks? So for people getting started
with that set of notebooks, the instructions would be to clone the repository, run setup
as necessary, and then run a script that downloads the relevant mail.
I think with many of the notebooks now, there are function calls with URLs in place for
gathering the appropriate mail archive, and that if the archive is already downloaded, it
doesn't have to repeat the process.
On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Sebastian Benthall
<sbenthall(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Generally it's good not to have all the data one works with checked into version
control.
Actually currently no data is checked into version control. When you install BigBang you
have to run the collect_mail scripts before getting anything out of the notebooks.
If there's a project that uses BigBang for extensive analysis of data from a single
source, then it's probably best to keep that as a fork and have it update from the
core repository.
What I'm wondering now is whether all, some, or none of the Summer School notebooks
should make it in as is. Currently there are many near-duplicate notebooks in the
examples/ directory, along with a lot of other stuff from previous uses of the software.
Some hard work that's going to need to happen soon is pruning and standardizing the
stuff in that directory. Along the way we should come up with code quality guidelines and
standards for new notebooks.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Niels ten Oever <niels(a)article19.org
<mailto:niels@article19.org>> wrote:
Hi Sebastian,
We can include the ICANN data, and soon we should also be able to
introduce IETF data :)
Cheers,
Niels
Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital
Article 19
www.article19.org <http://www.article19.org/>
PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4
678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9
On 08/16/2016 12:31 PM, Sebastian Benthall wrote:
Many of the new notebooks from the DMI Summer
School are designed to
work with a subset of ICANN email data having to do with human rights.
Ideally, what gets included in the core BigBang repository is easy for
people to started with. That's why all the other notebooks have used
just a few SciPy mailing lists.
I'm wondering whether we should include the ICANN data in the core
BigBang repository.
I don't think there's a privacy issue with that, though maybe somebody
else might have a reason to object.
It would also be a strong signal that BigBang is now intended to be used
to analyze Internet governance, not just open source communities.
Thoughts?
- s
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11:56 a.m.
I like this idea!
For the summer school there was extra documentation on the wiki:
https://github.com/nllz/bigbang/wiki
I forgot that I had the ICANN data stored on the I School server for it.
We may be able to use GitHub for storage of static files to make getting
started with the notebooks even easier/less dependent on potentially
finicky remote email archive servers.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Nick Doty <npdoty(a)ischool.berkeley.edu>
wrote:
I agree that it doesn't seem like a good practice
to include the data
itself in the research tool repository. Maybe we could just include a
version of the script that would download all the data needed for that
group of notebooks? So for people getting started with that set of
notebooks, the instructions would be to clone the repository, run setup as
necessary, and then run a script that downloads the relevant mail.
I think with many of the notebooks now, there are function calls with URLs
in place for gathering the appropriate mail archive, and that if the
archive is already downloaded, it doesn't have to repeat the process.
On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Sebastian Benthall <sbenthall(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Generally it's good not to have all the data one works with checked into
version control.
Actually currently *no* data is checked into version control. When you
install BigBang you have to run the collect_mail scripts before getting
anything out of the notebooks.
If there's a project that uses BigBang for extensive analysis of data from
a single source, then it's probably best to keep that as a fork and have it
update from the core repository.
What I'm wondering now is whether all, some, or none of the Summer School
notebooks should make it in as is. Currently there are many near-duplicate
notebooks in the examples/ directory, along with a lot of other stuff from
previous uses of the software.
Some hard work that's going to need to happen soon is pruning and
standardizing the stuff in that directory. Along the way we should come up
with code quality guidelines and standards for new notebooks.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Niels ten Oever <niels(a)article19.org>
wrote:
Hi Sebastian,
We can include the ICANN data, and soon we should also be able to
introduce IETF data :)
Cheers,
Niels
Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital
Article 19
www.article19.org
PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4
678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9
On 08/16/2016 12:31 PM, Sebastian Benthall wrote:
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Many of the new notebooks from the DMI Summer
School are designed to
work with a subset of ICANN email data having to do with human rights.
Ideally, what gets included in the core BigBang repository is easy for
people to started with. That's why all the other notebooks have used
just a few SciPy mailing lists.
I'm wondering whether we should include the ICANN data in the core
BigBang repository.
I don't think there's a privacy issue with that, though maybe somebody
else might have a reason to object.
It would also be a strong signal that BigBang is now intended to be used
to analyze Internet governance, not just open source communities.
Thoughts?
- s
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