On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
> that's a good question. So far the offer to have LM do their thing without
> a 1-year commitment has not generated a response that I know of. Have they
> changed their mind or are you attempting to broker this on your own?
> Personally I think that we could offer them a month of Sundays to see what
> they're like. Perhaps you can find out if they're interested in that.
>From the 8/27 notes:
yar: would you feel comfortable with a 3 or 6 month trial period?
cheryl: i'd have to go back to my group. having to move after 3 months
would be disruptive. if we build we build, if we grow together we want
to grow together.
>From Stephen Novotny's most recent email:
"They feel that it’s essential for them to have a space to begin their
work and so they must begin investing their time elsewhere if the Omni
cannot come to at least a preliminary consensus to move forward with
their request for space on Sunday mornings and Friday evenings."
I think "preliminary consensus" means yes, a shorter trial period
would be better than nothing. It would keep them at the table long
enough to continue building a relationship, and if they reject this
offer because it's not a full year, at least we come out looking
reasonable. Even if LM doesn't end up accepting a shorter period, I
think the symbolic weight of the Omni community consenting to this
shorter period would go a long way in mending our community fractures
and keep our community from falling apart.
I also think 2 or 3 months would look a lot better than 1 month, which
is only four services. Would you block 2 months?
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:04 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I also think 2 or 3 months would look a lot better than 1 month, which
> is only four services. Would you block 2 months?
It occurs to me that 3 months would be October 1 - January 1. It would
kind of suck to leave a church in limbo right around Christmas and New
Years. Maybe the end of January makes more sense. But that's 4 months.
On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Any sudoers willing to take this on for Thursday? We can simply write a
> statement of position at Wednesday's meeting that you can read during the
> delegates meeting.
After much thought, I think the best framing question for now is: what
length of trial period can we tolerate?
I would like to hear from all Sudoroom members currently blocking this
proposal. Would you also block a 3 month proposal? 1 month? 1 week?
What's the magic number? Thank you.
*I need to recuse myself as sudo room delegate from the Liberation
Ministries proposal (details below):*
I've cc'd Sudo Room's Omni-Delegates list (our email list for people who
have been consented upon to act on behalf of Sudo Room as a delegate in the
Omni Commons delegates council).
I do not think I am capable of getting through the emotionally-charged
issues necessary to act on behalf of the sudo room when it comes to the
discussion of Liberation Ministries collaborating with the Omni Commons.
While I am still willing and able to act as sudo room's delegate for other
proposals and at other times, I need to recuse myself from this proposal in
I will attend the next sudo room meeting on Weds 9/16 as well as the next
Omni Commons delegates meeting on Thurs 9/17, but will not be representing
the sudo room when it comes to the Liberation Ministries proposal.
*If sudo room members find it important to participate in this part of the
process, then another member of sudo room who is approved to act as an Omni
Commons delegates needs to represent the sudo room instead.*
You can read the most recent version of this proposal submitted to the
omni-consensus email list today (Thurs) around 5pm. It should be reviewed
this week and formally discussed during the next (coming) Thurs 9/17 @ 7pm.
p.s. "Active non-Member" is a bit confusing language, but essentially this
not a proposal to become a Member-Collective, but instead a different kind
of formal commitment, backed by some form of legal document(s) [such as
rental contract(s), tenant (non-member-collective) sublease, etc]. The text
of the current proposal follows:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Stephen Novotny <novotny.stephen(a)gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 5:07 PM
Subject: [omni-consensus] Liberation Ministries Proposal to Join Omni as an
This proposal is being sent out so that it can be discussed for consensus
at next week's delegates meeting. Please take it back to your collectives
and discuss so we can move forward.
After conversations following the August 27th Delegates Meeting, we’ve
collaborated with Liberation Ministries (LM) to develop a proposal for them
to join the Omni as an active non-member. We’ve integrated feedback from
the 8/27 Delegates Meeting, where people expressed concern about LM
becoming a member collective immediately. Please read the notes from that
Many people suggested that LM begin doing work at the Omni in order for us
to get to know each other and to see how their work flourishes here, before
applying to become a member collective.
The most essential needs of LM are to have reliable access to the space for
consultations and office work, as well as ongoing reservation of space two
times a week: one on Friday nights to work with youth, including
collaborations with BAPS and MPM, and two, use of the Ballroom on Sunday
mornings from 9-11am.
These are the basic needs of LM, essential to the continuity and growth of
their organization. At the 8/27 delegates meeting there was some concern
over the reservation of the Ballroom on Sunday mornings for LM, with some
people concerned that it might prevent other, important groups from using
the Ballroom during this time.
We followed up regarding this concern with the Commons WG and learned that
Sunday morning during the time from 9-11ish (am) when Liberation Ministries
would have service has seen only six events since last November 2014 when
the Omni Global calendar started being used.
Two of these were all day events--Capoeira and a "Fundraiser for Legal
Of the other four, three were short two-hour rehearsals and one was
something called "Love Chapel"
Three of the six events started at 11am.
There were a few more events that were in the Ballroom starting at noon on
Considering the Ballroom does not have any other regularly scheduled
events, it is a great opportunity to put the ballroom space in use more
regularly and provide a regular source of income from the usage. While
this would prevent a few miscellaneous events a year from using this space
at said time, the space would never go unused as long as LM operates within
the Omni. Furthermore, because LM is a community-based church, they need
space within the community to begin inviting people on a regular basis.
They plan to go door-to-door to let neighbors all over North Oakland know
about their new ministry, so they must have a reliable space to invite
these new people to occupy.
Welcomes our neighbors in the surrounding area of Temescal and North Oakland
Very much in line with our founding vision and Statement of Solidarity to
support low- to middle-income black families
Working with youth
Tangible anti-gentrification work
They have offered to help with specific elements of building maintenance
LM would like to use their original proposal to become a member collective
as their proposal to instead become an active non-member group within the
Omni. The proposal is pasted below:
Liberation Ministries is a new church led by Pastor Cheryl Ward. We are
seeking a space to have our Sunday services and where we can participate in
a community working for social justice.
1. Mission statement
We endeavor to be change agents in our local community and globally, and
turn whatever space we are in into a change agency. Our commitment is to
transforming lives. We do ministry but it's not a ministry unless we are
transforming lives. We are not a traditional church. We welcome EVERYBODY.
The core of it is love. Our goal is to be loving and non-judgmental. We
have trans, same sex loving, black, white, asian, Latino, Native American
2. Origin and group history
Cheryl has 36 years in ministry, community organizing, and activism, and
has pastored 3 churches. This is a brand new congregation in formation,
looking for a place to hold Sunday worship services and committing
ourselves to social justice activism in the city. There is a board of
directors of five members, who operate under a shared governance policy. As
a general rule, Cheryl and at least one of the board representatives will
meet regarding building issues.
3. Participation in the Omni
We see the richness of the collective and the opportunity to really
transform this neighborhood, as well as to bring the community into the
things that are going on here.
How does your group intend to use the space? What are your needs?
9-12 on Sundays for services (in the ballroom); an office space if
available (potentially the room next to Phat Beets; some private space for
counseling sessions (same room); use of a space every Friday nite for a
hangout for teens (any available space in Omni. We are willing to be
flexible about sharing the available spaces with others.
Offering big flat screen TV abt 46" and a floor model big screen t.v. for
shared use and use with teens for movies, videogames etc. Just brought a
Hammond B3 Organ to the Omni for shared use. Working on obtaining other
musical instruments. Brought 6 additional pews to the Omni. We will
actively conduct a door-to-door campaign to meet neighbors and inform them
of our presence and find out the needs of the community.
4. Group finances and paying rent
What does your group do to support itself financially?
Write grants, Sunday offerings, and contributions from supporters What is
your best plan for contributing your potential share of rent to the Omni?
Rent $250 - $300 a month to start but we can negotiate an increase once
revenue generation of the above begins.
5. Dedicated space
Office desk and filing cabinet.
6. Other contributions to the Omni
Help with cosmetic maintenance like painting.
We can use our relationship with the Conservation Corps to invite them to
come in to help on building work.
Help make vending machines now in CCL happen with snacks for the teens who
come to our Friday night event Work with MPM and BAPS.
Cheryl has a collaboration with Peralta Colleges and would seek to have a
printing press class. Printing of items and books could serve as a source
of revenue generation. Young people could could learn and get credi.
Talk to paint store (Frazee) about using their parking lot on Sundays or
We would be here to be a contributor, not to subtract anything from the
Omni. If we're not contributing we don't need to exist.
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn <rawjnana(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> did anyone step up? If not I can be delegate and announce our collective
> response :)
Thanks so much Rachel! Sorry for not being there this week.
did anyone step up? If not I can be delegate and announce our collective
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> Hi friendly delegate volunteers,
> I facilitated tonight's sudo meeting but am unable to represent as a
> delegate at tomorrow's Omni meeting. Is anyone available to represent?
> Tonight's meeting notes:
> Pertinent decisions:
> Re: Phat Beets member application:
> Sudo Room provisionally consents to Phat Beets' membership application
> pending concretization of space needs (where exactly will they go?) and
> Omni's ability to fulfill of those needs. Also clarification of whether
> $750 is a total amount incl. expenses, or if they are able to also pay
> expenses in addition to base rent.
> Re: BAPS reduced rent proposal:
> Friendly amendment: 3-month time limit to reduced rent payment, then
> Please reply to the list if you're able to show up tomorrow!
> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
> -Laurie Anderson
> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
> -Hannah Arendt
> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
> -St?phane Mallarm?
Hi friendly delegate volunteers,
I facilitated tonight's sudo meeting but am unable to represent as a
delegate at tomorrow's Omni meeting. Is anyone available to represent?
Tonight's meeting notes: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2015-02-25
Re: Phat Beets member application:
Sudo Room provisionally consents to Phat Beets' membership application
pending concretization of space needs (where exactly will they go?) and
Omni's ability to fulfill of those needs. Also clarification of whether
$750 is a total amount incl. expenses, or if they are able to also pay
expenses in addition to base rent.
Re: BAPS reduced rent proposal:
Friendly amendment: 3-month time limit to reduced rent payment, then
Please reply to the list if you're able to show up tomorrow!
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
Your job is to represent Sudoroom. That means knowing what's going on.
That means, at least:
Read the sudoroom and omni consensus mailing lists.
Show up at both the Sudoroom meeting, and the Omni meeting.
See here for more info: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Omni_Delegate
Other people are officially delegates right now but I feel like I'm
picking up a lot of slack.