Last night when I went to help someone sign up for sudo-humans, I saw that the certificate had expired for humans.sudoroom.org I thought it had been made automatic by Alex a while ago, but i didn't really understand what had been set up or know how it worked, so I had to figure it out. I don't know if this was the right way to fix it, but when I ran things like certbot --standalone certificates -d humans.sudoroom.org it said that the certificate was already valid...but the page was saying it was expired. so I looked at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/sudoroom.org.conf and saw weird paths for SSLCertificate* that didn't correspond to what certbot was using. So I changed it and then restarted apache2 and then it worked. Since I don't know what I'm doing, maybe this will cause problems in the future but I wanted to document what I did here. # diff sudoroom.org.conf ~/sudoroom.org.conf.bak 23,26c23,25 < SSLCertificateFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/humans.sudoroom.org/cert.pem < SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/humans.sudoroom.org/privkey.pem < SSLCertificateChainFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/humans.sudoroom.org/fullchain.pem --- yes of course we don't want to keep running humans.sudoroom.org but until the software gets updated to work on modern debian, we need to keep this working so that sudoroom and CCL can continue to get payments from members. Sierk and Ankeet have suggested they could update sudo-humans but I don't think either of them have done anything yet. Also Charles Hughes may be available but I don't know, anyway it's a separate topic. -jake