sudo-kids September 2013

sudo-kids@sudoroom.org

8 participants
24 discussions

by Carolyn Lunger

I just spent the whole weekend at Hackerscouts Leadership meeting. Basically they will be providing Hackerspaces very discounted insurance coverage and nonprofit status help (streamline the whole paper work process) for those willing to hold Hackerscouts Guilds at their spaces. I am willing to help train/mentor set up Hackerscouts for Sudo Room so you can get insurance if and when you guys end up at a new place or if George changes his mind about everything and realizes his behavior in front of the kids was a bit over the top. Carolyn

12 years

From our landlord & future of sudo kids

by Marina Kukso

12 years

From our landlord & future of sudo kids

by Marina Kukso

hi all, during this evening's meeting we'll be discussing how best to address laurie's last message below. as you can see, a number of issues are tied together here, including having children in the space. all of you are welcome this evening to help us come up with a solution to this situation. additionally, while we're on pause for tuesday evenings, this is a good time to evaluate where we want to go with sudo kids. what do we envision as the future of this program? how much and what can we contribute to making it happen? what needs to happen in order for sudo kids to be a success? is once a week in the evenings a good time? how should programming be organized, etc? i'll start: - my bandwidth for helping organize sudo kids and being present at sudo room every tuesday night is rapidly shrinking and i'm afraid i can't take on any new obligations at this time. - with the larger # of kids the last few times, i didn't feel that we were able to provide the kind of adult support that i'd like to see for the kinds of things that i envision sudo kids to be about: hacking, making stuff, learning, etc. - i think that in order to move forward, an insurance/waiver situation will be necessary. it will be necessary for someone to investigate the options and then for us to figure out a way to pay for it. i can't do this right now :( - one way to move forward would be to partner with other organizations and/or become a chapter or affiliate of a larger program. one option here would be to pursue a possible collaboration with hackerscouts (who are looking for a new place and may be open to collaboration ...i am currently not able to start conversations with those folks about this). - finally, there is the option of getting a separate sudo kids space, whether it's one of the other rooms at 2141, or a separate space entirely. this would involve looking for locations,finding enough people to commit to paying a regular share of the rent, etc. etc. i can't take the lead on this process either. all right, that's it for me! what do others think? - marina Forwarded conversation Subject: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: Children/Security/Janitorial issues..... ------------------------ From: *Matthew Senate* <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:03 PM Subject: RE: Children/Security/Janitorial issues..... To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> Hi Matthew…**** I think a meeting would be best because there are so many issues. I agree that the confrontation was bad, and that George has a problem when something hurts him deeply. Hopefully those who know him understand that he has a huge heart, and repays kindness with kindness, but has a hard time handling any type of abuse relating to people, animals or the building, and he simply can’t control his emotions and what he says when a violent incident occurs that is uncalled for. Accusations were not made at a particular person but there was ranting about the lack of control in the evenings and lack of responsibility/training/accountability for those using the premises that allowed this to happen, and in that he was righteous. **** The problem boils down to the security in the building. Doors are being left open in the evening and are not being monitored. People not affiliated with the group having an event can enter, hide, and do what they want later (which only by INCREDIBLE luck has not been grand theft thus far). We won’t be able to continue the late hours and will have to shut the building down after a certain time in the evening UNLESS we have a direct responsible person on-site that is trustworthy, has his/her own security code, and is fully conversant with the shutting down procedures and who also knows which doors should be shut (and when) throughout the entire 2141 floor during the evening. It’s not ok for The Sudo Room (or the Public School) to leave it to the last member staying late to shut down and monitor what is happening in the building if that person is not trained and knowledgeable and does not have his/her own security code.**** Sometimes people in 2141 leave the door from the office corridor to the bathrooms open when they should not. This has never been a problem until recently, when traffic started coming in from the rear door. In the past all traffic came in from the front door. The person in charge should make sure that the rear door from the bathrooms into that corridor is always locked throughout the evening.**** We have fixed the lock on the 22nd St. entrance so there should no longer be a reason to keep that door open during non-business hours (during business hours when certain hair stylists are there it might be kept open, because the stylists can’t use your security buzz-in system….something that should be rectified and would help building security IMMENSELY. I have also noticed that even when not being buzzed in the elevator is always accessible…something that should not be the case). **** We are now getting calls up until as late as 3am on a fairly regular basis (one at 3am this past weekend—usually more like until 11:30 on weekdays and 12-12:30am on weekends), and it is almost at the point where we are throwing our hands up and saying “don’t send the police” at a time when it is possible that a robbery COULD be in process or the building could be open to theft in the middle of the night, because we don’t know who is in charge or who to call at that hour. **** For our part, we need to put in more cameras in a couple of places, although I will draw the line at having them in a restroom stall. We met the gentleman who was likely the last person there the night of the awful event, and we believe that although his group was not directly responsible, he did say that nobody checked the restrooms before leaving, which should not have been the case. For both security and for those that arrive in the morning, we are now asking that after every evening group meets that the restrooms be checked, excess trash disposed of and paper towels/toilet paper replaced as needed. We have never been responsible for cleanup after events and since what has been happening there has been way beyond normal usage, we ask that you get together with the Public School to purchase some extra toilet paper/paper towels to keep on hand and to make sure that the restrooms are clean, stocked and ready for use when folks arrive in the a.m. The person in charge for the evening (see more on that below) should be in charge of that (janitorial/security) aspect as well. We will continue to come in late afternoons to take care of trash that builds up during the daytime. In order for this to happen we will ask on every evening if your groups have people there after 9pm that we have the name/phone number of the person on the premises who will be closing up and whom we can contact in case of security issues. It is possible for you (and a couple of others from The Sudo Room & Public School as designated by us) to be able to give people temporary codes for the security system if a person is trained but will not have access to the building on a regular basis. The responsible people may give out “one time” security codes as needed, with the ability to call those codes in directly to Sonitrol (you would use your own passcode when calling them, and then give them the name of the temporary person and temporary passcode) as the responsible person allowed to give out additional temporary codes. **** Also, George had me take care of the recycling on Saturday while he was dealing with the restroom incident. We should not have to be doing that. It took at least an hour to sort through the massive amount of glass to make sure that the insides of the bottles were cleaned out and that the plastic and glass (recyclable) was separated from the cans (which are returned for deposit). In that mess was also a modicum of some gross garbage that found its way into the recycling. We ask that this be done for us (glass-plastic separated, washed, into one set of plastic bags, and clean rinsed aluminum cans into another) and we will be happy to continue to haul them away, unless you prefer to haul them away yourselves—at this time the aluminum cans bring in a small amount of money after amassed for a month or two but the rest goes in our recycle can at home. When unwashed they attract all kinds of bugs and animals which is why they need to be cleaned out if we are to take them.**** I think that this and the other message covers all of the main issues. There is more to discuss if a related but separate group wants to be holding some child care sessions on the premises, but I think that should be via a conversation with all parties present to address issues of permits, security, insurance and likely additional rent.**** I think this is a fairly thorough response to most of the items, except the one (child care) that will require more discussion, because we don’t want to see anybody spend money for permitting or separate child care insurance until a more full understanding and agreement is made between all participating parties. Obviously, at this point in a lot of ways it would be much easier if the Sudo Room and related parties were to expand into some additional space so that more of our costs for that space are covered and so that we can put some better security features in place and have less worry about constantly having to clear out excess furnishings, objects and garbage that do not belong in the large common space, as well as our complete inability to rent out space to unrelated parties on any regular basis with the way the space is being used. At this point the headaches, stress, lack of sleep (for us) and stress on the building contents (i.e. walls, carpeting) and vulnerability of the building and its tenants are not aligned with the amount of rent received from your groups. That is not in any way to say that we don’t support and love what your groups are doing……just that we very much would like to have it work and be a win-win for all of us, without putting our other tenants at risk.**** Your thoughts would be much appreciated.**** Laurie**** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Matthew Senate [mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:48 PM *To:* Laurie Cooperman Rosen *Subject:* Re: Children**** ** ** Laurie,**** ** ** Thanks for replying briefly, when do you expect you will be able to send a full response? We also need to address the incident on this past Saturday, which was another unacceptable confrontation and accusation.**** ** ** Thanks, Matt**** ** ** On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> wrote:**** Hi Matt-**** I received your note and drafted a response that night, but didn’t mail it out because I wanted to make sure George has nothing to add first. You will have it this weekend. The number one concern (before even anything else) is that WE are not insured for this and have received no evidence of coverage from your group either. At this point everybody who has any visitors on a regular basis MUST have insurance coverage with us as named insureds, and we at this point need to enforce that. Next on the list are permitting related issues from the City of Oakland for children to be allowed in any kind of day care setting, and also arrangements that will need to be made by your group (and the School too) to take care of janitorial during and immediately after any group activities being held there. This is not necessarily inclusive, but a start. We can discuss the possibility of this happening (allowing children in eventually), but not until these and other issues are fully addressed. I apologize for the miscommunications on both sides that caused George to get upset about this and perhaps act too heated, but it was not without reason (given that he assumed that the communications had been disbursed), and for the time being we need to start with the insurance issue because it looks like that will be required because of all of the traffic whether children are able to use the space eventually or not.**** Sorry, I worked on the email and saved it and was waiting for George to have time to look at it. The first month always keeps us both hopping and we only pass like ships in the night!**** Laurie**** **** **** *From:* Matthew Senate [mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 1:38 PM *To:* Laurie Cooperman Rosen *Subject:* Re: Children**** **** Laurie,**** **** Please let me know when you have a chance to read our note, even if you are unable to respond immediately.**** **** Thanks, Matt**** **** On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:**** Hi Laurie, **** This week George addressed a group of folks in the common area outside of Sudo Room and the Public School regarding the presence of minors in the building. His behavior was confrontational, hostile, loud, and very upsetting to many of those who were present, including some parentally-accompanied minors. There has unfortunately been a series of miscommunications about this issue, and we are dedicated foremost to resolving it amicably. **** First, thank you for communicating the building's policies on minors via email. Unfortunately, due to a lapse in our own internal communication, the contents of your email were not conveyed sufficiently to the relevant sudo room members before Wednesday of this week. Please understand this was a lapse in communication that has been rectified. **** Secondly, since early June, every Tuesday evening parent-supervised minors have attended sudo room. We provide no supervision services for minors. In fact, we provide no services to customers (we don't have customers) as we are a membership association. It was unclear that this event was specifically of any concern since it followed the requirement of supervision by parents. We are willing to meet the necessary requirements to ensure that you and George are provided with the appropriate advanced notification of any planned future sudo room events involving supervised minors and their parents. It is relevant to note that in the past we have allowed accompanied minors to be in the "Art Room" and not use common space, but in recent instances the common room has been used as well. Further, since we are interested in being as accessible as possible to different communities and demographics, we would like to clarify what opportunities there might be (through city services, insurance, waivers, etc.) for minors to be in the building in ways other than those outlined in your email. **** Thirdly, regarding the damage to the bathroom you discuss in your email, we understand your concerns and are sorry that it happened. We have raised awareness in hopes of preventing instances like this from happening in the future. While we are happy to take shared responsibility for ensuring the bathrooms are clean and usable, we want to communicate that we are not aware of any evidence that the minors who have been at sudo room were responsible for the damage. We fully support your desire to keep all parts of the space (including the bathrooms) vandalism-free, clean, and usable, so we have made all sudo room members aware of this incident, reinforced the expectations surrounding bathroom cleanliness, and reiterated the policy that children should not use bathrooms unaccompanied. Please let us know if you encounter any problems with the bathrooms in the future so that we can take appropriate action. However, we also ask for understanding that if there are problems with a shared space in the building, that absent specific evidence, sudo room may not have been the source of a particular problem. **** Finally, we would like to share with you a few of our expectations as lessees that we hope will help us continue to stay in this building that we have been very happy to rent for the last 9 months: **** Our Expectations: **** * That issues with our use of common space or our use of our rented "Art Room" be conveyed in writing, with disrespectful confrontations being completely unacceptable, in any circumstances. **** * Consistent with Sudo Room standards, that minors continue to be able to participate at Sudo Room, provided they are accompanied by parents or a legal guardian. **** * To work together with you as we grow, which requires we be accessible to more communities and demographics. **** * To consider options for mitigating liability through additional insurance, waivers, etc.**** Thanks, Matt**** **** **** ** ** _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss ---------- From: *Matthew Senate* <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:54 PM To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> Hey all, I had a chance to read this. There's quite a bit in there. I think we should add this for open discussion at the next meeting, as well as deliberate on how to meet with Laurie and possibly George to address all these concerns. David Keenan also has some proposals he'll be bringing that should help us address many of these. // Matt _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

12 years

Here is the Hackerscouts Kicker starter

by Carolyn Lunger

Here is Hackerscouts Kickstarter video. See if you recognize anyone! :) My homeschooled kids have all enjoyed Hackerscouts!!! Here it is! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/832476585/hacker-scouts-oakland-lab Also in addition you can help this way: Based on your feedback the following is the short list of ten companies where we think a personal contact could really help us get us in the door. Please read the list below and reply if you have any contacts or information that might be helpful to us: Adobe Systems Apple Cliff Bar eBay Facebook Google Leapfrog LucasArts Pixar Tesla Additionally, we have a longer list of secondary targets listed in this Google Doc, please feel free to take a look and let us know if you have additional contacts: http://goo.gl/n2ILwm Thanks in advance for your help! Hacker Scouts Institutional Fundraising Team

12 years

teach my kids logic

by Carolyn Lunger

I am seeking a hands on way of teaching my kids logic. I really like feltronics and wondered if there is a way to teach kids logic using felt. http://www.feltronics.org/ Carolyn

12 years, 1 month

Fwd: Children

by Matthew Senate

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:02 PM Subject: RE: Children To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> Hi Matt-**** I received your note and drafted a response that night, but didn’t mail it out because I wanted to make sure George has nothing to add first. You will have it this weekend. The number one concern (before even anything else) is that WE are not insured for this and have received no evidence of coverage from your group either. At this point everybody who has any visitors on a regular basis MUST have insurance coverage with us as named insureds, and we at this point need to enforce that. Next on the list are permitting related issues from the City of Oakland for children to be allowed in any kind of day care setting, and also arrangements that will need to be made by your group (and the School too) to take care of janitorial during and immediately after any group activities being held there. This is not necessarily inclusive, but a start. We can discuss the possibility of this happening (allowing children in eventually), but not until these and other issues are fully addressed. I apologize for the miscommunications on both sides that caused George to get upset about this and perhaps act too heated, but it was not without reason (given that he assumed that the communications had been disbursed), and for the time being we need to start with the insurance issue because it looks like that will be required because of all of the traffic whether children are able to use the space eventually or not.**** Sorry, I worked on the email and saved it and was waiting for George to have time to look at it. The first month always keeps us both hopping and we only pass like ships in the night!**** Laurie**** ** ** ** ** *From:* Matthew Senate [mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 1:38 PM *To:* Laurie Cooperman Rosen *Subject:* Re: Children**** ** ** Laurie,**** ** ** Please let me know when you have a chance to read our note, even if you are unable to respond immediately.**** ** ** Thanks, Matt**** ** ** On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote:**** Hi Laurie, **** This week George addressed a group of folks in the common area outside of Sudo Room and the Public School regarding the presence of minors in the building. His behavior was confrontational, hostile, loud, and very upsetting to many of those who were present, including some parentally-accompanied minors. There has unfortunately been a series of miscommunications about this issue, and we are dedicated foremost to resolving it amicably. **** First, thank you for communicating the building's policies on minors via email. Unfortunately, due to a lapse in our own internal communication, the contents of your email were not conveyed sufficiently to the relevant sudo room members before Wednesday of this week. Please understand this was a lapse in communication that has been rectified. **** Secondly, since early June, every Tuesday evening parent-supervised minors have attended sudo room. We provide no supervision services for minors. In fact, we provide no services to customers (we don't have customers) as we are a membership association. It was unclear that this event was specifically of any concern since it followed the requirement of supervision by parents. We are willing to meet the necessary requirements to ensure that you and George are provided with the appropriate advanced notification of any planned future sudo room events involving supervised minors and their parents. It is relevant to note that in the past we have allowed accompanied minors to be in the "Art Room" and not use common space, but in recent instances the common room has been used as well. Further, since we are interested in being as accessible as possible to different communities and demographics, we would like to clarify what opportunities there might be (through city services, insurance, waivers, etc.) for minors to be in the building in ways other than those outlined in your email. **** Thirdly, regarding the damage to the bathroom you discuss in your email, we understand your concerns and are sorry that it happened. We have raised awareness in hopes of preventing instances like this from happening in the future. While we are happy to take shared responsibility for ensuring the bathrooms are clean and usable, we want to communicate that we are not aware of any evidence that the minors who have been at sudo room were responsible for the damage. We fully support your desire to keep all parts of the space (including the bathrooms) vandalism-free, clean, and usable, so we have made all sudo room members aware of this incident, reinforced the expectations surrounding bathroom cleanliness, and reiterated the policy that children should not use bathrooms unaccompanied. Please let us know if you encounter any problems with the bathrooms in the future so that we can take appropriate action. However, we also ask for understanding that if there are problems with a shared space in the building, that absent specific evidence, sudo room may not have been the source of a particular problem. **** Finally, we would like to share with you a few of our expectations as lessees that we hope will help us continue to stay in this building that we have been very happy to rent for the last 9 months: **** Our Expectations: **** * That issues with our use of common space or our use of our rented "Art Room" be conveyed in writing, with disrespectful confrontations being completely unacceptable, in any circumstances. **** * Consistent with Sudo Room standards, that minors continue to be able to participate at Sudo Room, provided they are accompanied by parents or a legal guardian. **** * To work together with you as we grow, which requires we be accessible to more communities and demographics. **** * To consider options for mitigating liability through additional insurance, waivers, etc.**** Thanks, Matt**** ** ** ** **

12 years, 1 month

Sudo Kids Update & Status for Next Week

by Marina Kukso

Hi everyone, To catch everyone up on what's been going on, during Tuesday night's Sudo Kids, George, one of our landlords, came to the space and asked that all children under 18 leave. Yardena and others spoke with him and kept kids night going for that night, but he insisted that in the future children under 18 would no longer be allowed. His request was ostensibly based on an email (included below) sent in mid-August from Laurie (George's wife and the co-landlord of 2141 Broadway) regarding children in the space. Unfortunately, not everyone was aware of her email before this past Wednesday. While this was part of the source of the problem, the other part of the problem was that George's request (that no children be allowed in the space) was not the same as Laurie's request (that all children be accompanied by parents and that George and Laurie receive advance notice before any child-oriented events), and that George did not communicate his request in a productive way. On Wednesday we discussed what to do and a number of us drafted the below email which Matt sent to Laurie in response to her August email. We haven't yet heard back from her. So the current situation is that we must unfortunately assume that Sudo Kids is on pause until we hear back from her. We will keep everyone updated on the situation if we have any updates. And we will still have Sudo Kids outdoor chapter at my house on Sunday morning! Marina ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:26 PM Subject: [sudo-discuss] Letter sent to Laurie, one of our Landlords To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> Hey all, As a result of our meeting tonight and a discussion the on-going issue with sudo-kids, we drafted and sent this letter to Laurie. We wrote it in collaboration with folks at the space after the meeting, and sent it in do-ocratic fashion. We provide a copy below in transparency and accountability: Hi Laurie, This week George addressed a group of folks in the common area outside of Sudo Room and the Public School regarding the presence of minors in the building. His behavior was confrontational, hostile, loud, and very upsetting to many of those who were present, including some parentally-accompanied minors. There has unfortunately been a series of miscommunications about this issue, and we are dedicated foremost to resolving it amicably. First, thank you for communicating the building's policies on minors via email. Unfortunately, due to a lapse in our own internal communication, the contents of your email were not conveyed sufficiently to the relevant sudo room members before Wednesday of this week. Please understand this was a lapse in communication that has been rectified. Secondly, since early June, every Tuesday evening parent-supervised minors have attended sudo room. We provide no supervision services for minors. In fact, we provide no services to customers (we don't have customers) as we are a membership association. It was unclear that this event was specifically of any concern since it followed the requirement of supervision by parents. We are willing to meet the necessary requirements to ensure that you and George are provided with the appropriate advanced notification of any planned future sudo room events involving supervised minors and their parents. It is relevant to note that in the past we have allowed accompanied minors to be in the "Art Room" and not use common space, but in recent instances the common room has been used as well. Further, since we are interested in being as accessible as possible to different communities and demographics, we would like to clarify what opportunities there might be (through city services, insurance, waivers, etc.) for minors to be in the building in ways other than those outlined in your email. Thirdly, regarding the damage to the bathroom you discuss in your email, we understand your concerns and are sorry that it happened. We have raised awareness in hopes of preventing instances like this from happening in the future. While we are happy to take shared responsibility for ensuring the bathrooms are clean and usable, we want to communicate that we are not aware of any evidence that the minors who have been at sudo room were responsible for the damage. We fully support your desire to keep all parts of the space (including the bathrooms) vandalism-free, clean, and usable, so we have made all sudo room members aware of this incident, reinforced the expectations surrounding bathroom cleanliness, and reiterated the policy that children should not use bathrooms unaccompanied. Please let us know if you encounter any problems with the bathrooms in the future so that we can take appropriate action. However, we also ask for understanding that if there are problems with a shared space in the building, that absent specific evidence, sudo room may not have been the source of a particular problem. Finally, we would like to share with you a few of our expectations as lessees that we hope will help us continue to stay in this building that we have been very happy to rent for the last 9 months: Our Expectations: That issues with our use of common space or our use of our rented "Art Room" be conveyed in writing, with disrespectful confrontations being completely unacceptable, in any circumstances. Consistent with Sudo Room standards, that minors continue to be able to participate at Sudo Room, provided they are accompanied by parents or a legal guardian. To work together with you as we grow, which requires we be accessible to more communities and demographics. To consider options for mitigating liability through additional insurance, waivers, etc. // Matt _______________________________________________ sudo-discuss mailing list sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:01 PM Subject: Children To: eddan(a)eddan.com, mattsenate(a)gmail.com, exchequer(a)sudoroom.org, poems(a)zachhouston.com Hi All- We are having big problems with the number of children in the building. We are not insured for children, and to use that space for any type of children’s program the City has stringent requirements that must be met, both in terms of physical layout/inspections and insurance. Children (under 18) should not be in the space except when accompanied by their parent(s) with advance notice to us. There should be no special programs involving children happening in the upstairs area. We are also aghast at the destruction that has been done to the restrooms by the children, and ask that all children using the bathroom be accompanied by and monitored by their parents. The stress on the restrooms in general has been huge because of the number of people in the building from The Bay Area Public School and The Sudo Room, and we ask that you start to clean the bathrooms regularly or be prepared to start to pay for the additional Janitorial time/supplies that are driving us both crazy! Also, the ADA restroom is for the disabled, and should not be used except when others are full or for a special reason. The stress being put on that room could mean that when it is really needed it may not be in working condition. Please call George if you need any clarification on these issues, and thanks in advance for cooperating with us on these matters. Laurie & George On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Carolyn Lunger <carolyn.lunger(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > In regards to Sudo kids and george issue? > Are we continuing on with Sudo Kids at the current site? > Carolyn > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-kids mailing list > sudo-kids(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-kids > >

12 years, 1 month

Sudo Kids Interests (sudo-kids@lists.sudoroom.org)

by John Lunger (Google Drive)

I've shared an item with you: Sudo Kids Interests https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e6FFvj3EcIvlZloIW1ZUY_zZFckhxMn06SpWYM7… It's not an attachment -- it's stored online. To open this item, just click the link above.

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One month Sudo Room activties Spreadsheet (sudo-kids@lists.sudoroom.org)

by John Lunger (Google Drive)

I've shared an item with you: One month Sudo Room activties Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmpZ1TkavFGidGNObEhOeTNqYmhMZU… It's not an attachment -- it's stored online. To open this item, just click the link above.

12 years, 1 month

Project for Tues 9/10

by Funmilayo

Hi Everyone, Adesina has a project that he would like to do with the children , who are interested. Robotic fingers using straw, tape string and card stock. We will bring the supplies. It's a low cost, high interest project (hopefully). We (he and I'm assisting) will be prepare to do the project. He found the project in the make magazine. He is busy perfecting the design. :-). And working out how to best teach it. Just let me know if we need to so it another day. See everyone Tuesday. Take care Funmilayo

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