SERVER ROOM UPDATE JULY 21, 2014
Hello all,
We finally concluded that the small stage that oversees the Sudoroom is
where we'll put the Server Room. Yes, the area behind the SudoRoom sign.
This particular area is full of wood and other stuff that needs to move,
so if you feel helping on this part of Sudo Reboot, please do.
If you have any questions or need more info on how to help please check
with Marc, David, Daniel, or Jeremy.
Thank you!
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Hello All,
I meant to inform you earlier, but we have Internet access at Sudo, at
least for today.
I am using my phone hotspot feature and the speed is not bad, 25Mbps
download, and 6.5Mbps upload. I am planning to continue to stay here for
the rest of the afternoon and evening. Tomorrow, perhaps someone else
should be sharing their access.
I have not checked how far the wireless signal goes, but it may spread
to other areas of the building.
The SSID is: SudoerTempNetAccess
Password: sudosudo
Thx!
- --
?Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help
them, at least don't hurt them.? ~Tibetan Quote
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Hello All,
Good News! A few days ago somebody bought the server rack for
Sudo-SudoMesh. It is expected to arrive at 4799 Shattuck in less than
two weeks.
Item Description: *Panduit 4 Post Cable Management Rack - rack - 45U*
Mfg. Part#: R4PCN
Dimensions:
Depth: 30.2 in
Height: 84 in
Weight: 100.1 lbs
Width: 23.3 in
How to install:
http://www.panduit.com/heiler/InstallInstructions/CM396F%20(4%20Post%20Rack…
If someone feel or want to help getting other basic items please let me
know.
Thx!
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?Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help
them, at least don't hurt them.? ~Tibetan Quote
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David,
Garbage cans in front of electrical panels are an OSHA violation, the
front of that panel has to have about 4 feet of clear space. And about
1 foot on the side, someone correct me if I a wrong. Not to mention
water splashing.
All we need is a snitch within us to call on us, and we are in
trouble. So we have to be careful there.
The idea I presented is to bring it to Sudo and SudoMesh, so it can be
killed there and not waste OOC's meeting times.
Why not in Sudo?
I personally would love to have the Server Room in the Sudoroom. But,
it may incur into additional expenses (make windows, or install a AC
unit) to make the area less hot than what it currently is.
As you may know, in the Corporate world and Public places like the one
I work for, we keep the equipment between 65-72 degrees. Have you
checked how high is the temperature at the Sudoroom area?
Did you know that our storage server, when in our old sudoroom
location, crashed and a drive went down very likely because the high
temperature of that closet?
If we want to have a decent server room that will server Sudo+OOC, we
need to think accordingly and decide.
And not, we cannot just be moving the server room from one place to
another, we need to run cables from that location to the whole
building no? Long term location would be ideal, wherever we chose it
to be.
Anyhow, if a shitty physical network is okay with everyone, then I am
wasting my time. That kind of server room can go anywhere.
Matt, Luis, and I did two walks. We discussed some of those areas that
you mentioned and also checked a place that Yar suggested.
But some didn't qualify because the are right under the restrooms, so
potential water leakage right on top of the equipment is a high risk
to take. Also, at least the one that Yar suggested, the rack in mind
doesn't fit, the ceiling is too low.
And by the way, I almost gave up yesterday; ideas are not written in
stone; besides being ideas consensus is used, at least in the
Sudo/Sudo-Mesh world.
And remember, OOC is the one that would decide at the very end, not
Sudo/SudoMesh.
Daniel
On 7/7/14, 4:01 PM, Matthew Senate wrote:
> Don't micro-manage creativity. Be pleased that folks want to solve
> communal (omni-wide) problems right now; this will not always be
> true. Assume good faith.
>
> This being said, arguments exist on all sides. To me the questions
> are:
>
> What are the problems? Need a place to put network utilities very
> soon. What are the constraints? Only certain kinds of places work
> for network devices, without intractable costs. What are the
> opportunities? Two branches (a) places that are convenient and
> already appropriate for setting up network devices (fast, easy)
> and (b) places that allow for integrating network devices into the
> heating/cooling systems (potential energy/cost-savings, require
> coordination, approval, and implementation with potential extra
> costs). What are the priorities? To me: speed, simplicity.
>
> In my opinion, we should put devices in the simplest place as soon
> as possible and move on to the many other, more complex problems.
>
> // Matt
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:08 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> (Also I am thinking, low-power solar fans for mellow airflow into
> the basement venting, like the kind had on boats, would be cool.)
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:06 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Also, re: ventilation in the basement - we have to recconnect the
> blower from the room (the 1'x3' venting) on the east side asap. On
> the west side, there is active cooling on the west side already (2x
> fans, plus windows above the sidewalk. There is also a large
> lightwell above the barr-room bathroom that could probably be
> easily gotten to. So, re: cool air (without a/c) to the servers if
> they are in the basement, we could pull cool air from the street or
> roof to the cold side of the rack, and vent heat from the hot
> side/top to the existing exhaust venting the furnaces use, or vent
> heat directlty to the basement in the winter, or vent perhaps to
> that lightwell... we can use thermostats in the room to trigger A/C
> from the compressor to the rack only if needed, and use ambient the
> rest of the time.
>
> In general, the ventilation setup in the basement - what needs to
> exhaust separately, what venting is shared and whence does it
> come/go - needs to be coordinated with the FNB, La Commune, Black
> Hole, and OOC. It's a logistical issue that Sudoers I think would
> be really good at help sorting out, and I would really love it if
> we could.
>
> As others have stated, we need a working group just for the
> basement and space there to hash out this stuff - plumbing is
> another equally pressing aspect. It's enough work and discussion I
> think it may be a good idea to set up its own email list perhaps on
> riseup or google, but I am open to suggestions about how best to
> comprise this.
>
> Love David
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:30 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Again I am /super/ psyched that we are tackling where to rack
> servers and very grateful to all who are putting energy and effort
> into this.
>
> Whether it be for servers or any other ideas about how to use
> others' space and shared space, I feel the only real missing piece
> in the discussion here, and actually to various degrees within
> pretty much /every/ member collective actually, is not keeping in
> mind any other group's plans or ideas for a given space in the
> building - especially for their very own space which they have
> already been promised are technically in possession of.
>
> /For sure/, by all means, lets brainstorm about every possible
> place things like servers could go. If we are imagining the rack
> should /not/ go into sudo/ccl's room (why not?), but rather
> elsewhere in the building, I think that's a conversation that
> should include others in the building too, not just sudoers,
> because it affects others' planning and use of space.
>
> The same I feel is true for anyone else's plans to do any
> build-out, and all buildout really should be discussed within the
> OOC as a whole. This doesn't have to be a nightmare of endless
> meetings - its simply a way to try to act in a coordinated and
> thoughtful manner in concert with other groups in the space.
>
> For example, in the hypothetical of Sudo putting a server rack into
> what is presently another group's dedicated space (Backspace), that
> particular conversation should be had with that _group_ from the
> get-go. For sure, hash out pros & cons on sudo-discuss, walk the
> building with other sudoers - yes! - but that discussion should not
> take place /only/ on sudo-discuss (or sudo-mesh), or /only/ with
> other sudoers (me and Andrew). Also, the Backspace area presently
> needs a lot of work - apparently, many people can only envision as
> a place for garbage, or to get to utility panels.
>
> Just because the Backspace area has not been fixed up yet, does not
> mean it won't soon be. Backspace area is at a real disadvantage
> here compared to nearly every other group, and I feel we all must
> be understanding of this, as Backspace clearly needs more work (and
> /time/ to do that) than pretty much anywhere else in the building.
> I mean, Backspace has far more intense permitting and structural
> issues to address - we're getting architectural drawings (I had the
> architect over yesterday partly for this reason), and planning it
> out thoughtfully - this is not going to happen in one week or even
> one month. Also, Backspacers are a much smaller, newer group than
> Sudo, in which almost everyone has day jobs and simply can't be
> there alla the time - they are not on sudo-discuss, nor necessarily
> should they be, at least any more than all of sudo should be on
> backspace's list.
>
> For those that don't know - Backspace Wellness Collective is a
> regularly-meeting group presently comprised of four healers /
> bodyworkers, in addition to Andrew and myself: Samantha,
> Margaretha, Athena, and Sarah. So, the notion of building Sudo
> stuff into Backspace needs to be discussed extensively with
> Backspace as a group. I see this model as applying to any group
> wanting to build out in another group's space.
>
> As you can imagine Backspace is having their own internal
> discussions about how articulate their model, including how best to
> build out, refinish, and make use of that physical area. Consider
> that if you blow away part of Backspace's area or an entire room
> for a different use, you are also potentially actually talking
> about removing an individual from Backspace, who would have used
> that room for their practice. I think it might be best to think
> about the pro's of putting servers into backspace in that way: Do
> you really feel that strongly about having servers there that you
> are willing to do ask that of another group? So you see what I mean
> here.
>
> Anyhow, to a less intensive extent that conversation should also be
> had with the Omni Oakland Commons as a whole (in the omnilogistics
> list), especially if you see the servers as serving the entire
> building, not just sudo (which would need to be explained to
> everyone else too - easily enough done, but the common use of these
> servers should be clarified.)
>
> Regarding server racks specifically and knowing sudo frankly I am
> somewhat doubtful that racks would be simply be left alone in a
> set-and-forget mode as much as has been inferred. Rather, I imagine
> sudo will actually need not-infrequent physical access.. to hack on
> things, install and upgrade new donated equipment, etc. Therefore
> they should be in a space where physical access is not an issue,
> and probably for permitting issues alone not infringe on the area
> for electrical panels. The electrical panel area should be closeted
> off no matter what and really never entered unless a breaker is
> flipped which, with 200A (or is it 240A?) of power and solid
> distribution throughout the building, and thoughtful planning re:
> circuit load, I see as being rare. Yes, a number of the circuits
> are powered off presently throughout the space - we will address
> that, and then the electrical closet should be rarely entered, if
> only for safety's sake if nothing else. My 2c.
>
> Best, David
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Luis Murillo
> <luis.murillo.plos(a)gmail.com <mailto:luis.murillo.plos@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hey guys sorry I've been MIA today, been running some errands/TCB
> will swing by sudo later tonight and monday night :-)
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Somebody <somebody(a)riseup.net
> <mailto:somebody@riseup.net>> wrote:
>
>
> Excuse me for resending this email treat, but the Sudo-mesh list
> was not linked from the first email that I sent out.
>
> Thx!
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:
> [sudo-discuss] Server Room Status Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 17:12:03
> -0700 From: hol(a)gaskill.com <mailto:hol@gaskill.com> To:
> David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com <mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com>> CC:
> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
> <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
>
>
>
>> the compressor for that could also provide cooling
> for the servers. i think doing experiments on heat recovery and
> regenerative hx are good for longterm - using a compressor and
> refrigerant to cool hot things may be less green than using fans
> and just circulating fresh cool air and letting convection do the
> work. if there's no objection, we could set up temp racks where
> daniel and others propose until we can run coax to a more optimal
> area. i finally have some time this week so i'll be around to
> assist with low-level tasks in support of setting up basic
> infrastructure
>
> cheers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2014-07-06 10:00, David Keenan wrote:
>
>> hey guys,
>>
>>
>> I applaud the effort to find a good, secure server
> space! I definitely
>> wanna help.
>>
>> The main issue with using this particular room is,
> as you can see by
>> looking at the floorplan, the Backspace wellness
> collective is
>> already paying rent on that particular area (NW
> groundfloor
>> corner) and will be making their own changes to
> that space. Backspace
>> is myself, Andrew of course, Margaretha, Athena,
> and Sarah.
>>
>> The wellness collective needs quiet - thats partly
> an attraction for
>> that corner of the building - and, a cabinet full
> of fans plus almost
>> certainly AC for the cabinet, is loud. Also, it
> takes up Backspace,
>> and to be honest, i have hard time inamagining
> Sudo wont need to get
>> into it alla the time, so it seems nonideal to me.
>>
>> In general I would think, before using other
> essentially non-shared
>> areas of the building for Sudo's servers, we would
> have to
>> actually rule out why building the room in other
> locations, like Sudo
>> room, wouldnt work, and why we think actually that
> particular location
>> in someone else's area is really the only place it
> could work.
>>
>> Regardless of Bsckspace, having racked & stacked
> for going on 20 years
>> that would not be my first location in the entire
> building for a lot
>> of reasons.
>>
>> Also, a server cabinet / closet does not need to
> be near the main
>> electrical panel. Nor does it does not need to be
> near the street.
>>
>> We could find a room in the basement. There is
> excellent ventilation
>> to the basement, that just needs a small fix. Also
> the furnaces are in
>> the basement, and heat from the servers could tap
> into that venting to
>> actually help heat the building, which could save
> on energy. Also,
>> there is a plan to build a walk-in in the basement
> - the compressor
>> for that could also provide cooling for the servers.
>>
>> In other words, in my view, we should attempt a
> green solution that
>> ties the serbers into the infrastructure for the
> building.
>>
>> :) d
>>
>> On Saturday, July 5, 2014, Somebody
> <somebody(a)riseup.net <mailto:somebody@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>
>> === SERVER ROOM UPDATES === 2014/07/05: Today Luis, Matt, and I
>> did the walk in the
> building, and so far the
>> only place that seems the most appropriate to have the server
>> room is the
> room by the bar.
>>
>> This area is the most ideal in the whole building
> because the air
>> flow, temperature, electricity proximity, and also
> because it is where the
>> Internet access enters the building.
>>
>> Since this area is not is not part of the SudoRoom
> space, we will have
>> to talk about it with the rest of the Sudo-Mesh
> group and the group
>> approves it, then we would have to present the
> idea at our
>> Omni Collective meeting for approval.
>>
>> If approved by the Omni Collective, we would need
> to build:
>>
>> * A 2" or so high floor (two by fours and plywood
> would do, I believe.
>> * A 55" x 65" cage with chicken wire walls and a door.
>>
>> If this place is NOT approved by the OOC then
> perhaps we should
>> consider building the Server Room in the SudoRoom Space.
> High temperature and
>> noise levels are the main issues.
>>
>> If others have ideas/comments/or want to be part
> of this process
>> please jump in. You may contact Matt, Luis, or myself
> (Daniel).
>>
>> This update and all other Network/Reboot project
> is found at:
>>
> https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Network/Reboot
>>
>>
>> This update and all other Network/Reboot project
> is found at:
>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Network/Reboot
>>
>> Thx!
>>
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doers,
Is there a reason not to cancel the internet for July 1st? As I'm backing
the bill on my credit card, it would be nice to have to pay the month.
Max Klein
‽ http://notconfusing.com/
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Maximilian Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Update: Sonic called me because apparently the ATT Central Office we would
> connect to is full and has no free pairs. They refused to give a time
> estimate. I tweeted to the Sonic.net CEO dane jasper, if he could speed it
> up, and he said he'd check it out. The said they would give us 1 month free
> as a comp so far.
Max, thanks so much for dealing with this. I definitely hope that we
can get internet ASAP. Of course, I also have mixed feelings about
putting pressure that doesn't also help our new neighbors who
apparently are all having trouble getting basic internet & landline
service for themselves too... i.e. don't just bump us up a list, but
actually hire more staff or pay more overtime or whatever. idk what
the best solution right now is, although the big C word did briefly
form an evil presence in my mind.
A quick reply. Ed msged saying " I won't be compis mentis
until early afternoon, but I do indeed have a dolly or two I can lend to
the cause. Tell folks to call me after 3ish."
Similar story goes w me, I will see you after work.
Thx,
D
Somebody <somebody(a)riseup.net> wrote:
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>Hello All,
>
>Tonight I stopped by Sudoroom and even thought that about 85% of the
>stuff was boxed and ready to move... there is still a more lot work
>that needs to be done.
>
>While there I felt embarrassed when I learned that all that hard work
>been done only by about four Sudoers. And... they looked exhausted,
>seriously.
>
>Today Wednesday is Move In day, and I heard it starts about 10:30am.
>
>So if you can... please join the effort.
>
>Many Thanks,
>
>Daniel
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Hello All,
Tonight I stopped by Sudoroom and even thought that about 85% of the
stuff was boxed and ready to move... there is still a more lot work
that needs to be done.
While there I felt embarrassed when I learned that all that hard work
been done only by about four Sudoers. And... they looked exhausted,
seriously.
Today Wednesday is Move In day, and I heard it starts about 10:30am.
So if you can... please join the effort.
Many Thanks,
Daniel
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Hey Max, I'm moving this thread to sudo-sys, hope that's ok!
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Maximilian Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I was going to order Sonic dual-bonded ADSL2+ today. Are there any reasons
> not to do that? Its $80/month for 40Mbits. I don't think we're going with
> webpass, right?
That sounds great, thanks so much for doing this! I was worried we
would have no internet ready for next week. :)
> The reason for sonic again, is that they are rolling out fibre to that
> location "in the coming months" so i thought it would be good for that.
Does this mean actual gigabit fibre like they have in Sebastopol and
the SF Sunset? If so, wow we are lucky.
