[sudo-hall] Fwd: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?

Also happy to contribute for July, so please add my name to the tally! On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)oaklandlocal.com> wrote: > Hi Jehan - > > There are two keys for 2135 Broadway that have been duplicated and > distributed around so as to make getting a copy easier - those are the keys > to: (1) the Box Office; and (2) the Orange Closet. I recently made another > set of those keys though and would happily meet you there and give them to > you. The landlord has no restrictions on the number of duplicates. There is > also a key to the main door - for the door itself and the gate-lock when > opening up and closing down. There are only several of these keys, though > the landlord would be willing to make additional ones for an additional > $10/month. Since that door is usually already opened by 8am by one of the > tenants and generally only closed at around 11pm - that key would not be > relevant for many users of the space. > > I have also paid the July rent ($300) for the upstairs office at 2141 > Broadway, which has allowed us use of the reception area for the past couple > meetings. Accessibility is still only temporarily resolved with the > permission we've had from the landlord and the East Bay Meditation Center > where the elevator is, and therefore does not yet meet the criteria to which > we've committed in getting an appropriate Sudo Room space. I therefore > didn't think it would be appropriate to include that in the amount I was > asking from the Sudo folks on the list. If you want to start using that room > - let me know and I will make a copy for you as well. Right now, about 5 > people have keys to that room. My apologies for some of the junk lying > around - still making my way through it. > > > -Eddan > > > > On 7/3/12 9:15 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote: > > Cool, I can bring $50 by for the next meeting... are we meeting this > wednesday? I guess my question would be, once I have helped pay, how can I > access the space to work there? I would love to get started hackin' in our > new hackerspace. Which part of the building are we actually renting, and how > do I get in? > > -Jehan > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)oaklandlocal.com> > wrote: >> Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and off list. I'm sorry >> if the intended tone of my suggestion didn't come across. I was actually a >> supporter of postponing the decision to use existing funds until we have a >> better sense of how we work and what we're about. I'm very glad to hear >> people think we're at a critical mass and are impatient to move forward. >> >> Given our current status as an unincorporated association of people, a >> proposal for voluntary contributions seemed to make the most sense. To >> clarify, I was hoping to use the occasion for paying July rent to expand our >> base of people who are connected and feel involved in Sudo Room. I am hoping >> that this would be incentive to get more people on board. It was not meant >> to be a suggestion for another fundraising campaign for Sudo Room. By >> suggesting that everyone give an equal amount, I think we can demonstrate >> how small that amount can be. >> >> For example, if 12 people go in together (including me) - then it will >> be less than $50. If split by 77 (the current number of email subscribers to >> the list) - it would be $7.50 each. If divided by 142 (number of likes on >> Facebook), we would each pay $4. >> >> There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without necessarily using a >> membership dues model. I think we should give ourselves the opportunity to >> try them out - at least in the interim. >> >> >> sent from +1(415) 728-5800 >> >> On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "mattsenate(a)gmail.com" >> <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Eddan, >> >> I wish we were in a better position to have sorted this out before July, >> I am happy to kick in some cash, and I think we could get art murmur >> donations easily too. >> >> Tracy, >> >> I'm very much interested in establishing, very soon, a way to contribute >> regular dues, and to take donations from people who use and appreciate sudo >> resources infrequently. >> >> However, it would be smart to establish what paying dues means. To me >> they should carry reasonable weight and an articulated benefit to the >> duepayer. This of course must cherish a commitment to access and >> participation not contingent on funds. I believe that is hat underlies this >> whole governance discussion. >> >> I plan to explain this position in more detail on wiki and with more >> resources! >> >> Join me http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure >> >> - Matt >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Tracy Jacobs" <kinetical(a)comcast.net> >> Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm >> Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme? >> To: "Eddan Katz" <eddan(a)oaklandlocal.com> >> Cc: <sudoroom(a)lists.hackerspaces.org> >> >> >> Sorry Eddan, >> >> I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next see you or by >> paypal if you prefer. I don't understand the politics here or why we >> are not deciding to pay some dues for rent. >> >> Tracy >> >> Tracy >> On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote: >> >>> At the decision-making in-gathering last week, it was decided not to >>> make a decision about existing Sudo Room fund-raising income to be >>> used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this time. The rationale being >>> that we've had a hard enough time making a decision about how to >>> make decisions that the process should probably not be complicated >>> any further. I applaud our resilience of deliberation, but then >>> there is the matter of July rent. >>> >>> I would like to propose something not on behalf of Sudo Room >>> officially, but that I hope will help us accomplish our goals, at >>> this time. The rent due for July for the "Box Office" and "Orange >>> Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box office" will be central to >>> our Art Murmur happening and the "orange closet" continues to be >>> filled in our obsolete technology drive, I wanted to ask the good >>> Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that amount. Tracy already >>> gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly announced his willingness to >>> give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that everyone is clear >>> about the fact that if you would like to give me money at any time, >>> you are most welcome to. I have accounts with most mobile and online >>> payment providers, if that makes it any easier. >>> >>> But in terms of the $575 for July rent at 2135 Broadway, I wanted to >>> continue in our straw poll practice of gauging how many people would >>> be willing to chip in. If you're willing to go in together on rent >>> for the space in July, please reply to this email with a +1 (to me >>> and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start of Art Murmur), I will >>> ask these voluntary contributors to give me $575 divided by the >>> number of people willing to volunteer. Needless to say - the higher >>> the number of people contributing, the lower the contribution >>> amount. If the number of contributors results in a sum too steep for >>> any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur event could be an >>> opportunity to draw in others to cover that amount. >>> >>> This contribution does not constitute membership in Sudo Room, nor >>> does it enable special voting power, the use of a shelf, or a free t- >>> shirt. I was hoping though to get some help to display a running >>> list of the names of contributors against one of the walls at 2135 >>> Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the use of this list to >>> solicit July rent for and/or to the display of the names of this >>> group on the wall, please speak up and/or use the anonymous Sudo >>> pages to voice your concerns. >>> >>> -Eddan >>> [self-appointed exchequer] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudoroom mailing list >>> sudoroom(a)lists.hackerspaces.org >>> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom >> _______________________________________________ >> sudoroom mailing list >> sudoroom(a)lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudoroom mailing list >> sudoroom(a)lists.hackerspaces.org >> http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sudoroom mailing list > sudoroom(a)lists.hackerspaces.org > http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom > -- __ victoriabogdan.com _______________________________________________ sudoroom mailing list sudoroom(a)lists.hackerspaces.org http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom