On 2013-10-17 06:41, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote:
Re. "slut-shame": I was merely expressing envious admiration at the
proclaimed prowess of anyone who says they need GPS and on-the-fly email
to get laid, because they must have an outstandingly busy "social
calendar." Sorry I misunderestimated an admittedly inept attempt at a
light-hearted and encouraging comment;-)
If this were your first sex-negative post on the list I might have
Re. Panasonic GPS etc.: It maintains a list of places
into it. Mostly client sites, no exciting social calendar or anything.
But it doesn't transmit either, or connect to the internet. So if
someone wants to get at what's in it, they have to obtain it first, and
it's not in the vehicle unless I'm using it (primarily because I don't
want my windows smashed for a device that can be sold for a crack rock
In addition to crack being a racist allusion, it also reinforces the
idea that the war on drugs is important which you should realize enables
the surveillance state
LPRs: I've been contemplating solutions to those, but they're a lower
priority until or unless they get commercialized, at which point I'll go
on the warpath. The first time I drive past an an electronic billboard
that suddenly flashes "Hey G, we know you're shopping for a
toaster-oven, here's a great deal..." I'll pull over and spraypaint
obscenities across it.
Trailer hitch, reflective coat, mud
FasTrak: Wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole,
and neither should
anyone else who values their freedom of association. I recognized that
as a surveillance device when it first came out; keyword "bumper beeper"
for the oldschool version.
Guess you won't be crossing the Golden Gate any time soon.
BTW, did you know that SF Muni buses not only record video of the
passengers, but also AUDIO? First time I saw that notification on the
side of a Muni bus was the last time I rode Muni.
I do and I remind other passengers of that on occasion.
House bugged: Probability asymptotically approaching
zero, for reasons
that needn't be discussed in public. Car bugged: Nope, ditto.
Because you're not as important as you fancy yourself?
I don't worry about LE and the TLAs, for various
reasons including that
we have recourse at the voting booth. (Yes, the faith some of us have
in elections is touching, too...) I do worry about the unregulated
private sector, particularly the Bigs, and as I said, anyone who
believes it's only about "personalized advertising" is welcome to
contact me to buy a bridge I have for sale cheap.
Right, so which was the anti-surveillance candidate?
Misuse of terminology: You say to-may-toe, and I say to-mah-toe, you
say fell-lay-tio, and I say fell-lah-toe;-) The point stands that what
Google and Facebook do is basically the same thing as a roving wiretap:
tracking persons and their communications across multiple devices and
locations. While we're at it, do you know how small a sample of text is
needed to get author attribution? Just say Twitter... details in
person. And voiceprint attribution was 99.96% accurate as of 1962
(published); fast-forward at the speed of Moore's law, draw your own
conclusions, and more details in person.
I have no interest in talking to you in person. If something were
sensitive, I would not reveal it to or trust it from the person who
wanted to invite undercover cops to a lockpicking workshop.
Consumer cellphone detectors: I should have
specified, "a cellphone
detector that you or someone else in the community has verified works
properly." Many are the devices that claim to work, and many are the
spam five-star reviews; the S/N ratio for consumer devices and random
electronics is nasty so I don't bother to keep track of them.
Buy it from somewhere with a good return policy. It's not like it's
hard to find a cell phone to test it with.
I was involved with crypto a decade before Cypherpunk,
and involved in
Cypherpunk too. (A couple of sentences redacted here.) More details in
person, including what the best physical RNG is and according to who.
Intel RDRand? If you actually had something important to redact, you
would do so silently.
Agreed, Goolag's voice rec happens on the server side, which also
enables "flexible" control of keyword lists. How the device behaves in
normal use is one thing. How it could behave under various other
circumstances remains to be seen and tested. For example use GPS output
to determine when person is in an "interesting" place, trigger device at
preset incoming audio volume level, etc. More easily, activate when
device owned by person A comes within X distance of device owned by
person B. Etc.
You can speculate all day and night, or you can read some indictments
once in a while.
Maybe if you actually read about this stuff and had an interest in
communicating about this sort of thing, you'd see that this idea already
has a name, geofencing.
I've never tried meth either, but one doesn't need to, in order to
conclude it's bad for one's wetware.
I wonder sometimes if your goal is to say as many tangential
inflammatory statements as possible. Sneak in whatever controversial,
misleading statements you want into your emails and people who try to
counter them are missing the point and people who are tacit are
agreeing. Casual meth use is possible, I know people who have partaken,
giving into the drug scare encourages the surveillance state.
Good to hear we agree that Goolag Glass is a one-way
mirror, but I do
not trust it to only activate when people wink-nudge it. Same case as
"smart"phones: selective activation by triggering criteria. Looking
forward to ways to thwart it.
You are then unaware of the battery life. If it turned on more, the
battery life may be cut in half.
Agreed it's reasonable to assume people around me carry "smart"phones.
I try to be aware of devices in my environment, and I don't hesitate to
request devices-off for certain conversations in certain surroundings.
You should try all devices in this car/box/whatever that is not close to
the conversation rather than turning off devices which signal for one
could easily correlate synchronized phone turn off events.
There was a time when most cellphone batteries were far more easily
removable, and people routinely removed them before they started private
F2F conversations. Since "9/11 constant-contact syndrome" has set in
with a vengeance ("someone I love might call me when they're about to
die") it's harder to get people to unhook even briefly. Weird.
If by routine, you mean by cyberpunks, and other people under intense
scrutiny (other than journalists who are allergic to opsec)?
The time will eventually come when "second-hand
recognized as being every bit as obnoxious to non-consenting parties as
second-hand smoke is to nonsmokers. That or the future looks like Brave
New World, "predict & control" via consumer lifestyle.
Right, and there will be a time where we use the metric system for
Ask people in the (whatever relevant earlier era) what they'd think
about thermonuclear weapons, climate change, drug-resistant bacteria,
etc. We're still fighting over teaching evolution in public schools.
Old people don't like new things, good or bad.
Heath Robinson is as near to your keyboard as consumer
detectors are to mine, but here's a link:
As I said, if you needed
an ad-hom to use on me, "chasing squirrels while believing he's the
reincarnation of Heath Robinson" would do nicely;-) Read the link and
unpack the suggested ad-hom, and you'll probably agree it's
well-compressed and works on multiple levels.
Maybe I should have clarified and said I don't care either. I don't do
research to get jokes, especially for people I've never found to be funny.
One thing though. Comparisons with Ted Kaczynski really are highly
objectionable, seeing as he's a domestic terrorist & multiple-murderer.
I read his "manifesto" back when the FBI were pleading with every lefty
in the Bay Area for help catching him. I found it to be a tangled mess
of nonsense, fit for inclusion in an anthology of post-modernist horse
shit. Come to think of it, comparisons with post-modernists are highly
So how'd you deal with the cyberpunk mailing list being hosted on
Your analysis of his writing differs from the analysis of many scholars
who said he had a gift for writing. I found it to be quite readable and
made some excellent points. No other Luddite author comes to mind.
When Sleepytime Gorilla Museum needed a writer to counterpoint the
Italian Futurists, they picked Ted Kaczynski.
Also, terrorist fear mongering encourages surveillance.
So let's not go using comparisons to terrorists,
or calling each other
post-modernists, OK? Especially when there are plenty of symbolic furry
animals and creators of deliberate absurdity to use for comparisons
instead, and cheeky comments about social calendars and so on.
How about you explain what separates you from Luddites. Ideology and
methods are different. I can agree that many terrorist acts were
committed by people whose ideologies I agreed with.
If you're not for civil rights of terrorists, then you're not for civil
In any case we have more in common cause than we have
other. My central point here has always been that unregulated
private-sector surveillance is more dangerous to civil liberties than
the TLAs, by a decent handful of decimal places. We can agree to
disagree about that, and let history be the judge.
I'm insulted by that. TLAs don't face jail time if they go 'too far'
and get caught.