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> 1. Youth engagement ideas via Ace Monster (Vicky Knox)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 12:17:48 -0800
> From: Vicky Knox <vknoxsironi(a)gmail.com>
> To: Sudo Room discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Youth engagement ideas via Ace Monster
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> Hey people!
>
> During Oakland Wiki's hackerspaces-themed editathon last Sunday, I worked
> on the Ace Monster page, and through that discovered "Hacker Scouts", an
> amazing mentorship program for young people interested in hacking stuff.
> Today while lurking Ace Monster's discuss listserv, I ran into a great
> convo on it. If you are interested in developing a youth engagement program
> at Sudo Room, these people would definitely be great allies and provide
> good solid insight. There already seems to be a collaboration going between
> them and Mothership Hackermoms.
>
> (Message 10 is quite beautiful.)
>
> V
>
> 7. Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! (Samantha Cook)
> 8. Re: Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen!
> (Al Jigong Billings)
> 9. Re: Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen!
> (Christopher Cook)
> 10. Re: Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! (Samantha Cook)
> 11. Re: Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen! (Lyra)
>
>
>
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 14:44:22 -0800
> From: Samantha Cook <sam(a)hackermoms.org>
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
> Subject: [AMTD] Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen!
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> Dear Friends,
> We have an amazing teen at Hacker Scouts who is trying to fund his
> ambitious and amazing project for this year's Maker Faire. Cameron is a 17
> year old, homeschooled guy that paints, plays with lightning, makes
> electronic mechanical contraptions, writes computer programs, and
> builds/fixes computers.His project, the TARDIS tesla is very cool and
> ingenious in it's design and entertainment capabilities.
>
> We are proud to be helping Cam reach his Maker Faire goal. As a member of
> our Hacker Scouts Guild 001 in Oakland, we have the privilege of seeing him
> work on a variety of projects with precision, ingenuity and passion. He
> also mentors the younger members of the Guild with compassion and a cool
> ability to share knowledge. Between the Hacker Scouts mentors and his
> mentors at Arc Attack, he has the support to achieve his dream. We believe
> in him and his TARDIS Tesla, and ask you to contribute to his
> campaign<http://www.gofundme.com/TARDIS-Tesla>.
>
> You can find his fundraising page here<
> http://www.gofundme.com/TARDIS-Tesla
> >,
> and our article about it on the Hacker Scouts
> Website<http://hackerscouts.acemonstertoys.org/?p=530>.
>
> Even if you can't contribute, will you help out by sharing this?
>
> Thank you so much for your time,
> Samantha Cook, homeschooling mom of 3 and Executive Director, Hacker Scouts
>
> --
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> email: info(a)hackermoms.org
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:40:38 -0800
> From: Al Jigong Billings <albill(a)openbuddha.com>
> To: AMT General Discussion <discuss(a)lists.acemonstertoys.org>
> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen!
> Message-ID: <A3A6AE14-8A6F-4DCE-9CFE-3E949ACA758E(a)openbuddha.com>
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> I contributed. I encourage others to do the same.
>
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:56:15 -0800
> From: Christopher Cook <ccook(a)dirtylittlemonkey.com>
> To: AMT General Discussion <discuss(a)lists.acemonstertoys.org>
> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen!
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> Yeah Cam has brought his Tesla coil into the space a few times to show it
> off, impressive stuff. I think he and Costa worked together on the laser
> cutter to build the control panel for it.
>
> --------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:58:52 -0800
> From: Samantha Cook <sam(a)hackermoms.org>
> To: AMT General Discussion <discuss(a)lists.acemonstertoys.org>
> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen!
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> Thank you! Last night he was speaking so enthusiastically about his
> project; I hope we can help him achieve his goal! If anyone is interested
> in the current Tesla Coils he has, he will be bringing them to the next
> Open Lab on 2/17. Sam
>
>
> --
> web: http://mothership.hackermoms.org
> email: info(a)hackermoms.org
> twitter: @hackermoms
> eavesdrop: mothershiphackermoms(a)googlegroups.com
> facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MothershipHackerMoms
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:24:44 -0800
> From: Lyra <elevin(a)MIT.EDU>
> To: AMT General Discussion <discuss(a)lists.acemonstertoys.org>
> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Maker Faire Fundraiser for Hacker Scout Teen!
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> Shared and shown off. Encouraging ambition like this is one of the best
> things we can do for the world - Cthulu knows we need more Doctors and Mad
> Scientists!
>
> <3
> L
>
Who has them?
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Cyrus Farivar
"suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var"
Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com
Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com
US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar
"Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the
Internet."
cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org
Sudyo,
I have edited in a more advanced draft of my proposal for a rigorous
conflict resolution process and for the role of a Constable to facilitate
the keeping of open and transparent records about conflicts and where their
resolution stands.
I emailed a bit about this a few weeks ago in response to the long and
unsatisfactory non-process the group had just spent a lot of time in, and I
presented a much briefer version of this proposal at last week's meeting. I
intend to have it up for a vote at the next eligible meeting.
I have tried to incorporate the feedback I received during the meeting and
to think through a process that would capture the original intent of the
sketchy previous language but flesh it out with comprehensive detail and
precision, and I had firmly in mind the memories of the shortcomings of the
old process in practice. While I was there mucking around in the articles
I fixed a few other odd things that were lying around. (It also still seems
to me that the numbering is off.)
The whole draft, with my and other changes, is, as usual, here:
http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association/Draft
*Highlights:*
*Emphasize horizontality in the Functionaries in general and in the
Constable in particular: section 2.2:* "Any member of sudoroom may perform
any of the functions of any of the Functionaries, but the Functionaries are
expected to perform their duties regularly and must perform them if no one
else can or will." *and section 3.4.1 below.*
- *Define role of Constable (section 2.2)*
-
- Point person for facilitating the conflict resolution process
according to the Articles, but not necessarily a moderator.
- Stewards selection of a moderator and schedules meetings among
conflicting parties and moderator.
- Documents all meetings and communications relevant to the conflict
resolution process.
- Promotes good-faith participation in the process by conflicting
parties on a basis of mutual respect and growth towards better
relationships and a stronger community.
- If conflict resolution goes before the whole group, co-facilitates
with Facilitator, and handles points of information about conflict
resolution with reference to the documentation.
- Does not act as Constable in conflicts involving self.
*Precise and comprehensive conflict resolution procedure:*
Section 3.4 Enforcement
[edit<http://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association/Draft…>
]Sub-Section 3.4.0 Process
The resolution of disputes and disagreements within *sudo room* is
encouraged through informal process and the spirit of a collaborative
environment. There is a process, however, by which issues that are not
resolved informally and that arise within the scope of these articles of
association:
1. The party who seeks resolution finds someone to act as Constable in
the matter, and works with this Constable to find a Mediator.
1. The Mediator is an impartial and uninvolved third party who
consents to assist, and with whom all conflicting parties consent to work
with towards a solution.
2. The Constable organizes meetings for conflict resolution and
maintains records of all meetings and relevant communications among the
conflicting parties.
3. The Constable, Mediator, and the conflicting parties arrange to
meet to work out a resolution to the conflict that all
conflicting parties
consent to.
2. If at least one conflicting party does not consent to meet, or if at
least one conflicting party is unavailable to meet in a reasonable time,
all relevant circumstances considered, or if the Constable and Mediator
agree after at least one meeting that further meetings would not be likely
to lead to resolution, the issue is brought before the group in the
following way:
1. The issue is added to the agenda of the next official meeting
scheduled at least one week in the future, and all relevant documentation
is gathered together by the Constable and made available to the group at
least one week beforehand, preferably on the wiki, and notice is
broadcast
to the group, preferably on the mailing list, but information that would
compromise anyone's privacy or dignity is not made public. In the
description of the issue, the form of redress sought in by the
plaintiff(s)
is included. Both the Constable and Mediator must give their approval of
the factual content of the documentation before it is posted. Both the
Constable and Mediator must expressly affirm that the form of redress
sought by the plaintiff(s) is consistent with *sudo room's* values.
2. During each meeting's agenda item on Conflict Resolution, all
unresolved issues on the wiki are brought up for discussion followed by a
vote.
1. First, the Constable presents all relevant documentation about
the issue.
2. Then, a category of severity is established by *consensus*
according
to *sudo room'*s values and the facts of the case. The category
determines the voting threshold for sustaining a sanction
against any party
to the conflict. The categories are (in order of decreasing severity):
1. Any matter calling for membership suspension or termination.
- *Decision Procedure:* 2/3 vote
2. Other serious conflict.
- *Decision Procedure:* 2/3 vote
3. Conflict where only fiscal issues are involved and only
fiscal redress is sought.
- *Decision Procedure:* 1/2 vote
4. All other conflicts.
- *Decision Procedure:* Consensus
5. Positive feedback.
- *Decision Procedure:* Auto-approval
3. Then, the opportunity to represent perspective is granted to
each conflicting party and to the Mediator, and general
discussion may be
held about the issue if any member wishes. The Constable
co-facilitates
with the Facilitator in order to answer questions specific to
the conflict
and provides information about the history of the conflict by
referring to
the documentation.
4. Then, a brief period of deliberation of definite time is held,
during which members are free to consider the issue or
discuss it directly
with others.
5. Then, members may propose alternative remedies to the conflict,
which are added to a list of potential remedies if neither
the Constable
nor the Mediator objects. They may be overruled in their
objections if a
second member supports the proposal.
6. Finally, a vote is held on the plaintiff(s)' proposed remedy,
and then alternative remedies are voted upon in the order they were
proposed, but only if at least one member indicates that the one under
consideration is still relevant. After all remedies have been
considered in
this way, the matter is considered resolved.
7. Any conflicting party unsatisfied with the decision may place
an appeal on the agenda in the same way that conflicts are
placed on the
agenda, except that a majority of the group must vote to
accept the appeal
during a meeting, and the process begins anew. The appeal
must propose an
alternative remedy and refer to values that were not served
by the original
decision.
8. If at the end of any step in the process more than an hour has
passed during the current meeting in considering the
conflict, any member
may request that a majority vote be held on whether to table
the conflict
until the next meeting.
[edit<http://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association/Draft…>
]Sub-Section 3.4.1 Principles and Values Specific to Conflicts
1. The accused are presumed innocent unless and until proven otherwise
beyond reasonable doubt.
2. Respect for the privacy and dignity of all members is consistently
maintained.
3. Proportional and effective remedies should be sought.
4. Restorative <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_justice> remedies
are strongly preferred over
retributive<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retributive_justice>
remedies.
*More precise language about functionaries:*
- Facilitator
- Maintains the agenda for meetings, ensures topics are dealt with,
and recognizes speakers in a fair and inclusive way.
- Ensures that all group business is handled and all group decisions
are made in the way described in these Articles of Association,
by bearing
them in mind and referring to them whenever needed.
- Uses own best judgment to resolve ambiguity in the Articles of
Association about how business is handled in meetings, but may be
challenged in this by anyone who does not consent, which results in a
majority vote on sustaining or overturning the Facilitator's judgment.
- Scribe
- Takes notes during meetings and collaborates with others to include
their notes in final meeting minutes.
- Posts notes publicly after each meeting.
- Exchequer
- Presents the budget during meetings, as articulated in the budget
process below.
- Receives dues and donations and pays expenses on behalf of the
group, using the group's accounts.
- Maintains accurate budget documentation and makes it available to
the group.
- Constable
- Point person for facilitating the conflict resolution process
according to the Articles, but not necessarily a moderator.
- Stewards selection of a moderator and schedules meetings among
conflicting parties and moderator.
- Documents all meetings and communications relevant to the conflict
resolution process.
- Promotes good-faith participation in the process by conflicting
parties on a basis of mutual respect and growth towards better
relationships and a stronger community.
- If conflict resolution goes before the whole group, co-facilitates
with Facilitator, and handles points of information about conflict
resolution with reference to the documentation.
- Does not act as Constable in conflicts involving self.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/oakland-mayor-apologizes-for-pro…
--
Cyrus Farivar
"suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var"
Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com)
Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com)
US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar
"Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet."
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:16:44 -0800
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> To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 211
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> Matt, can I quote you in the piece?
>
> --
> Cyrus Farivar
> "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var"
>
> Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com)
> Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com)
> US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar
> "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet."
> cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org)
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>
> On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 1:15 PM, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote:
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> > 1. Re: sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208 (J.D. Zamfirescu)
> > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Matthew D. Howell)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:12:42 -0800
> > From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire(a)gmail.com (mailto:zamfire@gmail.com)>
> > To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>
> > Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)>
> > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >
> > Agreed with Matt. As TOOOL says, understanding how locks work (and what
> > their vulnerabilities are) helps everyone make smarter decisions about
> > physical security.
> >
> > Might be worth mentioning that very few burglaries involve picked locks;
> > it's too easy to throw a brick through a window instead.
> >
> > Also, for the record, the workshop is full at 20 participants.
> >
> > J.D.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Cyrus,
> > >
> > > I think putting lock-picking in a larger context (up to globally) will
> > > help folks understand that this is a helpful and inquisitive practice that,
> > > for instance, helps improve security through experience and knowledge of
> > > security systems like locks. This statement is obvious to the security /
> > > hacker community, but not obvious to many others. For me personally, when I
> > > was living in a student cooperative, I needed to unlock a filing cabinet I
> > > bought used that came without a key. I watched a Youtube video of a
> > > 14-year-old who showed me how to do it with (I believe something like) an
> > > aluminum can and a paperclip. That was very helpful, and also exposed me to
> > > the reality that simple locks provide a nominal layer of security (just
> > > pulling open), but almost always have available exploits. I wouldn't put
> > > things I wanted to keep completely secure in that filing cabinet--but I
> > > would put things I didn't want to easily walk away.
> > >
> > > That being said, it is also important to note that this is one (I believe
> > > ~30 people, sold out) of many workshops to be held over the weekend in
> > > Oakland for http://workshopweekend.net/, and one of many events that
> > > happen at sudo room. Sudo-hosted events range from coding meetups
> > > http://www.meetup.com/EBJavaScript/ and informal learning sessions
> > > http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned to local community organizing
> > > http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ and nerds who care about the
> > > environment http://nerdsfornature.org/. See more on our calendar
> > > http://sudoroom.org/calendar/ and come down this Friday during Art
> > > Murmur.
> > >
> > > // Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Cyrus Farivar <cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)>wrote:
> > >
> > > > FWIW?I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on
> > > > the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has
> > > > long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can
> > > > include/add it.
> > > >
> > > > -C
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cyrus Farivar
> > > > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var"
> > > >
> > > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com)
> > > > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com)
> > > > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar
> > > > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the
> > > > Internet."
> > > > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org)
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM,
> > > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote:
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> > > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)
> > > > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)
> > > > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)
> > > > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)
> > > > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak)
> > > > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett)
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800
> > > > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)>
> > > > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
> > > > Message-ID: <512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net (mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
> > > >
> > > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that
> > > > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog
> > > > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of
> > > > Jean Quan to not even look into it.
> > > >
> > > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the
> > > > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge.
> > > > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd
> > > > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of
> > > > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to
> > > > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are
> > > > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify
> > > > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach
> > > > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by
> > > > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes.
> > > >
> > > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles
> > > > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about
> > > > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little
> > > > more fair and balanced reporting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:
> > > >
> > > > more:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)
> > > > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's awesome, free press!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren
> > > > <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com<rustylindgren(a)gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com)>>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of
> > > > "journalism" I have ever seen.
> > > >
> > > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
> > > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is
> > > > just a cheaper version of that? (see:
> > > > http://www.lock411.com/training.html).
> > > >
> > > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled
> > > > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time.
> > > >
> > > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go
> > > > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about
> > > > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling".
> > > >
> > > > -Rusty
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu
> > > > <anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that
> > > > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend.
> > > >
> > > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047
> > > >
> > > > Here is Oakland Local's response:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning…
> > > >
> > > > Anca
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -=-=-=-
> > > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > > > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>
> > > > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660>
> > > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F:
> > > > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > sudo-discuss mailing list
> > > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Rusty Lindgren
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > sudo-discuss mailing list
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> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > <mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
Matt, can I quote you in the piece?
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:12:42 -0800
> From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire(a)gmail.com (mailto:zamfire@gmail.com)>
> To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>
> Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)>
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208
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> Agreed with Matt. As TOOOL says, understanding how locks work (and what
> their vulnerabilities are) helps everyone make smarter decisions about
> physical security.
>
> Might be worth mentioning that very few burglaries involve picked locks;
> it's too easy to throw a brick through a window instead.
>
> Also, for the record, the workshop is full at 20 participants.
>
> J.D.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>wrote:
>
> > Hey Cyrus,
> >
> > I think putting lock-picking in a larger context (up to globally) will
> > help folks understand that this is a helpful and inquisitive practice that,
> > for instance, helps improve security through experience and knowledge of
> > security systems like locks. This statement is obvious to the security /
> > hacker community, but not obvious to many others. For me personally, when I
> > was living in a student cooperative, I needed to unlock a filing cabinet I
> > bought used that came without a key. I watched a Youtube video of a
> > 14-year-old who showed me how to do it with (I believe something like) an
> > aluminum can and a paperclip. That was very helpful, and also exposed me to
> > the reality that simple locks provide a nominal layer of security (just
> > pulling open), but almost always have available exploits. I wouldn't put
> > things I wanted to keep completely secure in that filing cabinet--but I
> > would put things I didn't want to easily walk away.
> >
> > That being said, it is also important to note that this is one (I believe
> > ~30 people, sold out) of many workshops to be held over the weekend in
> > Oakland for http://workshopweekend.net/, and one of many events that
> > happen at sudo room. Sudo-hosted events range from coding meetups
> > http://www.meetup.com/EBJavaScript/ and informal learning sessions
> > http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned to local community organizing
> > http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ and nerds who care about the
> > environment http://nerdsfornature.org/. See more on our calendar
> > http://sudoroom.org/calendar/ and come down this Friday during Art
> > Murmur.
> >
> > // Matt
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Cyrus Farivar <cfarivar(a)gmail.com (mailto:cfarivar@gmail.com)>wrote:
> >
> > > FWIW?I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on
> > > the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has
> > > long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can
> > > include/add it.
> > >
> > > -C
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cyrus Farivar
> > > "suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var"
> > >
> > > Journalist and radio producer | cyrusfarivar.com (http://cyrusfarivar.com)
> > > Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | internetofelsewhere.com (http://internetofelsewhere.com)
> > > US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar
> > > "Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the
> > > Internet."
> > > cfarivar(a)cfarivar.org (mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org)
> > >
> > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM,
> > > sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org) wrote:
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> > >
> > > 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)
> > > 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)
> > > 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)
> > > 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)
> > > 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak)
> > > 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800
> > > From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)>
> > > To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
> > > Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
> > > Message-ID: <512FA05C.7070407(a)clear.net (mailto:512FA05C.7070407@clear.net)>
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> > >
> > > It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that
> > > can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog
> > > post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of
> > > Jean Quan to not even look into it.
> > >
> > > In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the
> > > act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge.
> > > There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd
> > > want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of
> > > locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to
> > > know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are
> > > authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify
> > > that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach
> > > people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by
> > > no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes.
> > >
> > > We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles
> > > before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about
> > > it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little
> > > more fair and balanced reporting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:
> > >
> > > more:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q…
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)
> > > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > It's awesome, free press!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren
> > > <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com<rustylindgren(a)gmail.com (mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com)>>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of
> > > "journalism" I have ever seen.
> > >
> > > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
> > > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is
> > > just a cheaper version of that? (see:
> > > http://www.lock411.com/training.html).
> > >
> > > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled
> > > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time.
> > >
> > > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go
> > > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about
> > > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling".
> > >
> > > -Rusty
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu
> > > <anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that
> > > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend.
> > >
> > > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047
> > >
> > > Here is Oakland Local's response:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning…
> > >
> > > Anca
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -=-=-=-
> > > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com <anca(a)techliminal.com (mailto:anca@techliminal.com)>>
> > > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660>
> > > http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F:
> > > facebook.com/techliminal <http://facebook.com/techliminal>
> > >
> > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Rusty Lindgren
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
FWIW—I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can include/add it.
-C
--
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"suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var"
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> 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)
> 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)
> 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak)
> 6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800
> From: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net (mailto:eddan@clear.net)>
> To: sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org (mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org)
> Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
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>
> It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement that
> can be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blog
> post. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame of
> Jean Quan to not even look into it.
>
> In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - the
> act itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge.
> There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'd
> want to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to of
> locking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need to
> know how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that are
> authorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarify
> that in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teach
> people these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we by
> no means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes.
>
> We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articles
> before the end of the day, so that a further story can be written about
> it. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a little
> more fair and balanced reporting.
>
>
>
> On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:
> > more:
> >
> > http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-q…
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com (mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com)
> > <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > It's awesome, free press!
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren
> > <rustylindgren(a)gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of
> > "journalism" I have ever seen.
> >
> > Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
> > school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is
> > just a cheaper version of that? (see:
> > http://www.lock411.com/training.html).
> >
> > Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled
> > lock-picking, because it's a waste of time.
> >
> > Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go
> > to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about
> > anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling".
> >
> > -Rusty
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu
> > <anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that
> > people are learning how to pick locks this weekend.
> >
> > http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047
> >
> > Here is Oakland Local's response:
> >
> > http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning…
> >
> > Anca
> >
> >
> > --
> > -=-=-=-
> > Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
> > anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>
> > M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660>
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> >
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rusty Lindgren
> > **
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We should put up signage for Sudo Room on the Broadway side of the building.
We've already asked George about whether it would be OK to put it on the arched awning above the 2141 Broadway door and have the go ahead.
Apparently, if we use the same white on blue format, there are no additional costs. Other colored designs would require Sudo room being registered with the city & have to take part in paying for insurance for the building (albeit proportional).
Does anyone have the tools necessary to make the stencil? Anyone up for painting over the stencil in the bear future? In fact, if it's trivial to do - might make sense to try and get it done by Art Murmur tomorrow night.
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Hey everyone,
Please pay membership dues when you get a chance. I updated the WePay
campaign page, so you can again donate money / pay membership dues (with a
new total in the percentage widget covering February actual and projected
March), and can collect checks whenever you see me. I live two blocks away,
so I'm more than happy to just run over if I'm not getting anything done.
At the moment, I'm trying to collect all the payment information, so I can
develop a member list for February. Paying in advance for March is always
nice too.
I think we'll be starting a sudo-fund - another, separate sub-listserv -
soon, which will discuss ideas for funding Sudoroom. Projects, processes,
the like.
Unrelated, a DJ'd set by one of the founders of Throbbing Gristle:
https://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/solid-steel-radio-show-15-2
- Tommy
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Thomas Riley York (杨德民) 510.926.0510
http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork
