I wanted to reach out for some feedback. Seeking folks who would want to
facilitate or participate in a men's group.
I've previously participated in small groups like this and found them
beneficial for various reasons. I would like to see if folks have had
similar or different experiences.
The way I'm thinking about this would culminate in something like a regular
meeting for men in the sudo room community to discuss relevant issues
including those of identity, oppression, privilege, patriarchy, gender,
sexuality, stereotypes, safe space, and mutual support.
This may not be the best or even a viable path to approach these topics,
but I wanted to throw it out there to see if there is any interest.
On 2013-10-13 22:49, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote:
> Lastly, shot-spotters shouldn't be controversial, even among those of us
> who support the personal rights interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. A
> gunshot on a city street means one of two things: a criminal has just
> shot a victim, or a criminal's would-be victim has just shot their
> attacker in self-defense. Either of those things merits getting the
> police and paramedics on the scene, pronto.
Shotspotters are microphones. They can capture other sounds and it is
not clear how many other sounds and how long those sounds are retained.
Their use would be less controversial if they were an oracle that just
spit out 4 .40 caliber rounds were fired at the intersection of Grand
and Broadway at 23:12:32 (15 seconds ago) instead of capturing any audio
Dear Kopimists and the People who Love Them.
For the featured Filo delicacy for Friday Filosophy, we will have potato burekas.
I propose we talk about the difference between source code, object code, and executable code in regards to 1st Amendment protection. In other words, when is code speech and when is it a speech-act subject to less legal protection?
Below is an excerpt from an essay by Lee Tien, a brilliant EFF attorney for more than a decade, on Software as Speech (2000). These two paragraphs are in the section: Viruses and other "dangerous" software.
Of course, as always, we can talk about whatever else. Such as conscience and the unconscionable, perhaps.
Lee Tien, Publishing Software as a Speech Act, Vol. 15 Berkeley Tech. Law Journal (2000)
> Let’s return to the virus hypothetical.192 The main concern lies in the fact that the software may be “diverted” toward unlawful purposes, regardless of the speaker’s intent. This concern is, however, not unique to software. It also applies to other types of information usable for mischief or harassment, whether highly technical like information about nuclear weapons, or utterly mundane like a person’s name, address or telephone number.
> Even if the virus author merely posts the source code and fails to release it in active form, the issue remains whether the posting was done with an intent to communicate. If the author claims that she intended it to communicate, we would need to examine the context to decide the plausibility of that claim. There will often be a plausible claim. There is no question that people study viruses and other dangerous software in order to prevent or relieve harm.193 One way to control a virus is to publish its source code so that systems operators can disable or protect against it. Communicating a virus’ source code as part of such an effort qualifies as a speech act because the publisher intends to communicate how the virus works in a conventional way. In fact, one could imagine entire journals or Internet sites devoted to viruses and other dangerous software.194 When such publications aim to alert the world to these dangers, their intent is clearly communicative.
sent from eddan.com
Bringing this back to the list because, as per usual I do not enjoy being
contacted offlist and berated about my culture, or berated about white
people's entitlement to my culture.
This is a problem.
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com>
> I'm from the east coast, Philadelphia. Philadelphia is 45,45,10 black,
> white, Hispanic (mostly Puerto Rican) + Asian (Cambodian, Vietnamese,
> Filipino, Korean and Chinese). As you can maybe imagine, day of the dead is
> really not a thing in Philadlephia. When I lived there, I never went to a
> DD party, or even really had heard of it.
> Here, in the bay, the racial/ethnic distribution is way different. I never
> meet Puerto Ricans any more, and there are way fewer blacks. There are more
> Asians and Hispanics. Not only is the current Hispanic population here
> bigger, this area was settled by Spanish soldiers (unlike Philadelphia,
> settled by Dutch and English mostly. Also some Germans). The Spanish
> settler influence is all over - in names, in the types of old buildings.
> The white people I meet here are Way more likely to speak Spanish than the
> people I grew up with. the white people I meet here know more about Mexico
> and Central America than the ppl back east. The point is, California is a
> way more Hispanic part of the US overall than anywhere I lived before.
> Therefore, it is not surprising at all to see way more DD. Moreover, it
> doesn't seem strange to me that people who live near each other
> would celebrate the same holidays. The thing that makes many Hispanics
> celebrate day of the dead (seeing Hispanics celebrate day of the dead) also
> makes white people celebrate day of the dead.
> Put another way, is it weird to you how many atheists and non-Christians
> in America celebrate Christmas? Probably not - you can see that at on
> December 25th, Christmas is just the thing to do.
> When you see white people celebrating DD here, it's not because they want
> to steal your holiday, it's because your culture is pervasive here.
> Does that make sense?
> On Friday, October 24, 2014, Hep Svadja <hepkitten(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> hi guys:
>> a little bothered by the cultural appropriation of this event. as a Bay
>> Area Hispanic I find it quite strange when groups of mostly white people
>> with no ties to the actual culture of ddlm host events not in the actual
>> spirit of this extremely reverent Hispanic holiday. basically if you don't
>> build an ofrenda on your ancestors' graves every year i find it really
>> problematic to be jumping aboard this holiday as you are clearly not of
>> this culture. using it as an excuse for a dance party is even more
>> questionable as is encouraging people with no understanding of this
>> cultural holiday to dress up, which i understand is for the best of reasons
>> but also pretty exploitative of a culture you don't belong to. what is
>> wrong with just making this a Halloween party and not contributing to the
>> ongoing exploitation of local Hispanic communities of color?
>> * edited this to be less of a jerk.
>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:54 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Lesley Bell <zvezdalune(a)gmail.com>
>>> > Hello!
>>> > The Omni needs funds. Dia de los Muertos is a thing. We would like to
>>> > introduce new people to the space and expand our community.
>>> > I have attached a flyer for a possible event, a funky
>>> transhumanist/Dia de
>>> > los Muertos themed costume ball. Should this happen? Is there a reason
>>> > anyone would like to block?
>>> > Also, steampunk zombies! Mechanical corpses! Post-singularity glittery
>>> > things covered in LEDs! Ordinary awesome humans!
>>> Looks fun! Right now the way to book events is:
>>> 1) check the calendar for conflicts:
>>> 2) submit this form: bit.ly/omniballroom
>>> Full explanation and future changes to the process will go here:
>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>> HEPIC PHOTOGRAPHY
>> 415 867 9472 || http://hepic.net
415 867 9472 || http://hepic.net
Yet another white person (assuming) steps forth to tell me how to display
and refer to my own culture.
Massively awkward when white people try and educate hispanic and/or latino
people on how to self-identify. Ironically I use hispanic and latino
because most white people don't understand what chicano means. Also as
someone who is 1/4 Jicarilla Apache, I also do not need a lesson on First
Nations identification either.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: refugia <refugia(a)zoho.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:57 PM
Subject: Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Dia de los Muertos fundraiser: is
The time you put into these emails are your own choice. The sudolist is
much larger than sudo's membership. I'm not sure who either of you are. I
don't see you at sudo. I don't sympathize with your or Sonya's perspectives
but you are probably both well interventioned. Sniping on burner's cultural
appropriate of indigenous culture is bit too easy and those types of
discussions are best had in person if your intent is not malicious. People
get defensive and close off if they think they are being called out as
If your intent is to be politically correct in your speech don't use the
terms hispanic or latino, especially when talking to strangers. In the
liberal lexicon they are vague racial-cultural. Just say spanish speaking,
if that's what you mean and won't confuse people further. People are
confused on their own.
The terms latino and hispanic are used to erase peoples indigenous
identity. I think that sort language and the obfuscating conception of race
are much more damaging than white people painting skeletons on their face
or making altars. Call first nation peoples by their actual names. Don't
lump them all together. It's a habit that americans should stop, especially
if they regard themselves as some sort of radical.
The holiday is a derivative of the Nahua holiday. Speaking spanish doesn't
give one special dibs on venerating their dead. In Mexico it's been
appropriated by mexicans broadly, by non-Nahuatl speaking indigenous
peoples, mesitizos and white mexicans. In mexico it's a constructed
national holiday (like american halloween) with a multitude of local
variations. You don't get this sort of exclusionary discourse about who can
participate in the holiday in Mexico but you do see criticism of Halloween
elements being included in dia de los muertos. In the post-revolution era
there was a campaign to invent a national identity in a huge and extremely
diverse territory. The sugar skulls used in dias in other part of Abya Yala
are post-colonial. Sugar aint from here:)
There are other related versions of the holiday not related to the Nahuah,
Guede, Finados. All souls day is a european christian holiday which is part
of many the of the modern syncretic versions of the holiday. Most
traditional cultures on all continents have a similar holiday around this
What does it mean to establish consent with another culture, consent to
participate in ceremony? There real tensions in between the ideas of the
free culture movement and left wing attempts at non-colonial intercultural
relations y understanding.
Anywhoo the only event happening at the omni is a Haitian dance
performance. There was no proposal for the event at a sudo or omni meeting.
It's not worth spending that much time writing emails.
415 867 9472 || http://hepic.net
Who will be the sudo room delegate tonight? It's not clear from the notes,
and it would appear that the items up for consensus at tonight's Omni
meeting were not discussed.
For future sudo meetings, please set aside some time each week to designate
the delegate and check the Omni delegates meeting pad, where items up for
consensus are listed: https://pad.riseup.net/p/omninom
All delegates should also join this (low-traffic) mailing list:
Thanks and <3,
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
A:"You're basically an executive"
M:"I wish employers would see it that way"
* potential: Vicky, April, Yar, Whitney, Jenny, Anca, Matt, Hol, Julio,
* actual: julio, cere, anca, yar, hol, max, vicky, scott, brendan, april,
* official board members here: julio, hol, max, vicky, matt, anca, marc
* quorum: 7. JUST BARELY.
* Next Year's Meeting will be on: 2015-10-20. October the twentieth in two
thousand fifteen in the year of our lord, common era.
* Max will schedule email
$ date -d 'Tuesday, October 20, 2015 7:00 PM PDT' +%s
* Create an action plan and deadline to complete our 501(c)(3) application.
* Whitney, Vicky and April will bottom-line this. Julio is on stand-by.
* Since our 501(c)(3) form has not been completed, we need to fill out
state form 3500 to convince California not to levy state taxes for last
==State Tax things==
* Due Nov. 7.
* Matt, Julio and Hol will bottom line it and working on it tonight.
== CT1 ==
* did we file this last year?
== New Treasurer ==
Find a new Treasurer to replace Max.
# be responsible for filing yearly taxes,
# deposit misc. funds into the bank account
# give out misc money that sudo room approves
# report to sudo room the state of finances.
* Additionally, since Sudo Room is once again receiving less income each
month than expenditure, a good Treasurer would have some fundraising ideas,
and/or want to execute other's ideas.
Who wants to do it?
* We're pretty sure treasurer is liable for all sudo's debts, and also
omni's debts since we're a signatory on the omni lease. But not 100% sure.
Also, people are saying if we get 501c3 that won't be an issue.
* Do we have a transparent sheet listing where all the money goes? Not
really but we can mine the meeting notes. It's pretty much just omni shared
expenses + internet.
* Anca's done stuff before. Mentions quickbooks.
* Matt points out membership roles: exchequer. separate from the
state-mandated role. they should be doing the work.
* To be very clear, our values don't call for a powerful treasurer
position. This is just something the state requires us to do. We will
absolutely limit their power and responsibility to that and only that.
* Vicky and Scott are both interested.
* Vicky wonders whether she's even a member anymore. But you don't have to
be a member to be on the board.
* lots and lots of debate over sudoroom's debt and hypothetical disaster
* yet another tangent about dvorak keyboards
* shouldn't we figure out general board membership first?
* lots of confusion over our bylaws. we need to read them in full again.
they were just copied from noisebridge.
* you have to go to one meeting a year. that's really the bare minimum.
* apparently california also requires from a 501c3: president, secretary,
CEO, Treasurer and/or CFO
* marc is willing to do it
* unanimous vote of present board members, plus jenny remotely: Marc Juul
is our new treasurer, replacing Max Klein.
'''Voted 7-0 in favour of Making Marc Juul new Treasurer'''
== New People ==
Discuss refreshing the Board with a new set of members.
* Update Board page on the wiki: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Board
* who wants to be on the board this year? raise your hand: vicky, scott,
anca, julio, matt
* are we keeping the other folks?
* einstein could be chairdog
* last time everybody was nominated
* april wants to do it
* We'll put another round of nominations to the mailing list
We have to notify California that our address has changed. We're no longer
at 2141 Broadway...
discussion about board members and role of the members. Who should be a
==A third working group (Matt and Vicky and)==
Write a description fro board memebers
then blast the list and announce for a timeline for nominating new board
members, and timeline for voting on them
then april will make an announcement at the general meeting this week
what was your favorite thing about this meeting?
* scott laughing at his jokes
* seeing all of you here!
* efficient. sudo meetings are getting shorter.
* low-key. and fixing my IDE.
* wine club. and everyone here.
* they already did everything when i got here
* chips & guac
* that we don't know what the hell we're doing
* the we accomplished our purpose - find a new treasurer
* that we had quorum, and that our next meeting is on Tuesday October 20th
Make a great day,
Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/