sudo-discuss October 2013

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Breaking: Oakland to lead country in, diverting anti-terror funding to ubiquitous warrantless surveillance

by Shawn Lesniak

On 2013-10-13 22:49, sudo-discuss-request(a)lists.sudoroom.org wrote: > Lastly, shot-spotters shouldn't be controversial, even among those of us > who support the personal rights interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. A > gunshot on a city street means one of two things: a criminal has just > shot a victim, or a criminal's would-be victim has just shot their > attacker in self-defense. Either of those things merits getting the > police and paramedics on the scene, pronto. Shotspotters are microphones. They can capture other sounds and it is not clear how many other sounds and how long those sounds are retained. Their use would be less controversial if they were an oracle that just spit out 4 .40 caliber rounds were fired at the intersection of Grand and Broadway at 23:12:32 (15 seconds ago) instead of capturing any audio at all.

8 years, 6 months

Friday Filosophy: Software as Speech

by Eddan Katz

Dear Kopimists and the People who Love Them. For the featured Filo delicacy for Friday Filosophy, we will have potato burekas. I propose we talk about the difference between source code, object code, and executable code in regards to 1st Amendment protection. In other words, when is code speech and when is it a speech-act subject to less legal protection? Below is an excerpt from an essay by Lee Tien, a brilliant EFF attorney for more than a decade, on Software as Speech (2000). These two paragraphs are in the section: Viruses and other "dangerous" software. Of course, as always, we can talk about whatever else. Such as conscience and the unconscionable, perhaps. Lee Tien, Publishing Software as a Speech Act, Vol. 15 Berkeley Tech. Law Journal (2000) http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol15/tien/tien.html > Let’s return to the virus hypothetical.192 The main concern lies in the fact that the software may be “diverted” toward unlawful purposes, regardless of the speaker’s intent. This concern is, however, not unique to software. It also applies to other types of information usable for mischief or harassment, whether highly technical like information about nuclear weapons, or utterly mundane like a person’s name, address or telephone number. > Even if the virus author merely posts the source code and fails to release it in active form, the issue remains whether the posting was done with an intent to communicate. If the author claims that she intended it to communicate, we would need to examine the context to decide the plausibility of that claim. There will often be a plausible claim. There is no question that people study viruses and other dangerous software in order to prevent or relieve harm.193 One way to control a virus is to publish its source code so that systems operators can disable or protect against it. Communicating a virus’ source code as part of such an effort qualifies as a speech act because the publisher intends to communicate how the virus works in a conventional way. In fact, one could imagine entire journals or Internet sites devoted to viruses and other dangerous software.194 When such publications aim to alert the world to these dangers, their intent is clearly communicative. sent from eddan.com

8 years, 6 months

Membership Benefits Discussion

by Marina Kukso

hi all, we've been having discussions around membership and access. as part of that discussion, i volunteered to consolidate some of the various ideas for benefits that we can tie to membership. check out the suggestions, add your own, keep a discussion going: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Membership_Benefits_Discussion - marina

9 years, 5 months

Art Murmur discussion list sign up page

by Tracy Jacobs

To: Everyone interested in receiving Art murmur related posts please sign yourselves up to the new Art Murmur mailing list: http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/artmurmur Thanks, Tracy

9 years, 5 months

temporary email suspensions

by Eddan Katz

That having been said, I also would stand by Marc's actions. There should be some way to put a temporary suspension on an email address in the immediate term to stop a barrage of emails as a cooling off mechanism. I think it's worth acknowledging how thankless a job running a listserv can be and thank Marc for doing it for as long as he has, with very little help, and while being admirably responsive. I've never done that job myself, and don't envy the position. On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: > I'll 4th & 5th that. > I was trying to direct Giovanni's enthusiasm to be most useful on the Sudo-radio list. I still think that would be the most appropriate move. > > It is in fact true that this is a huge and awesome open window in spectrum allocation and it would be a shame to miss it. How Giovanni has tried to go about convincing everyone of that has clearly been counter-productive. His promise to put together a brief note about how to register before Nov. 14 and what it takes to do that - would be very useful information. > > I dare say though that if annoying is a criteria for being banned on this list - as a subjective matter many would be on thin ice. (No offense. Myself included.) > > I think that ad hoc unilateral banning is an overextension of the individual power any Sudo-er should have. Something that was mentioned could justify removal from the Board. I would suggest we have more than one person with the power to ban people from our mailing list. And that those people be charged with doing do according to some predictable and ascertainable policy. > > > sent from eddan.com > > On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Danny Spitzberg" <stationaery(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I wholeheartedly 2nd, 3rd the sentiment and suggestion to have a conversation (via email if not IRL) with Giovanni to tame his exuberance and use the list more judiciously. >> >> "Banning" without first taking initiative to educate and include in understanding expecte practices is straight-up draconian -- eliminating not solving the problem. >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Banning someone for being annoying is something you guys will probably have to do often and you should definitely not do it. >> >> >> As far as I can tell, what makes NB dis functional is their commitment to come one come all. "All" is not a great group, necessarily. If you are trying to build a club that is self-governing, it has to have people in it whose judgment you trust. There's nothing wrong with that I think. >> >> On Thursday, October 31, 2013, GtwoG PublicOhOne wrote: >> >> IMHO that seems excessively harsh. Banning someone from the list is similar enough to banning them from the space, that it seems to me such things entail a collective action by the community rather than an administrative action or unilateral action by e.g. a list admin or someone with keys to the door. Spambots and overt criminals are one thing, but people who are merely annoying in some way are another. >> >> Really: With all the talk about anarcho-this and collectivist-that and consensus-the-other-thing, seems to me that unilaterally banning someone for being merely annoying is a pretty major contradiction to core principles. >> >> If you or someone else wants to ban someone from the list or the space, aside from emergencies such as bots and criminals, there are dispute-resolution processes in place for that. >> >> So I'm going to stick my neck out and ask that you reinstate him on the list, and initiate the use of whatever collective processes exist for resolving the issues you have with him. >> >> -G >> >> >> ===== >> >> >> On 13-10-31-Thu 2:54 AM, Marc Juul wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:24 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01(a)att.net> wrote: >>> >>> What happened? I thought the "john re" address had been captured or spoofed by a spammer, but "giovanni_re" was a legit user, most recently discussing the FCC application. Did the _giovanni_re" identity turn out to be some kind of wolf in sheep's clothing? -G >>> >>> He was banned for spamming the list about the FCC thing. Nine emails in nine different threads over the course of a few hours about a project that he has stated that he himself is not willing to work on. That is not reasonable. He also showed up for the sudo room and counter culture labs meetings and took an unreasonable amount of the community's time trying to push this project onto others. It appears that he has been doing similar things at noisebridge and other tech groups in the bay area. >>> >>> In addition: Starting and running an LPFM station is no minor undertaking, and Giovanni has continued his attempts to push this on people even in the face of little interest. This might have all been fine if he was actually spearheading the project, but he is not. >>> >>> -- >>> Marc >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss

9 years, 6 months

Holacracy!

by Eddan Katz

Those who have expressed interest in a co-operative model of organizational development would be interested in Holacracy, which Janelle Orsi of the Sustainable Economies Law Center, promotes in her lectures. From today's blog post about a new Holacracy 'app': > In a typical top-down management structure, the power to hire and fire employees is generally in the hands of managers. With Holacracy at play, the game is entirely different: with the decentralization of authority, the separation of people and role, and the dynamic evolution of those roles, we end up with a situation that looks more like free agents going about their work with no central planning. There might not even be a single person who knows about everything you do. This then begs the question: who can decide how and when to hire or fire? > > Holacracy doesn’t answer that question; it simply gives you a framework and processes for your company to figure it out. In other words, if Holacracy is an “operating system” for organizations, the “hire-and-fire” function is an “app” that needs to be added separately. > The Holacracy newsletter forwarded below also includes a link to the Dec. 3 workshop ($125) they'll be hosting in San Francisco. > > > Happy Halloween Friend! > > If you follow us on social channels, you might already know that HolacracyOne just released a new "Partnership App", and it's freely available. > > What do we mean by "app"? It extends the metaphor of Holacracy as an “operating system” for organizations. I like this comparison because it accurately reflects what Holacracy is, as well as what it isn't. On a computer, the operating system provides a basic framework for “apps” to function harmoniously in the same environment. Similarly, Holacracy provides a basic framework for how to decide, but it doesn't tell you what you should decide for your business. In other words, it doesn’t answer typical business questions such as “what’s our employee compensation system?”, or “how to allocate resources?”. > > There are many different ways of answering these questions and Holacracy doesn’t choose one for you — that's the domain of "apps". At HolacracyOne, we've adopted a new "app" to define how our partnership functions work, and although it is still experimental, it's fleshed out enough to share it with you. Check it out in our blog post! > > Olivier Compagne > HolacracyOne > A “Partnership App” For Holacracy-Powered Companies > > The question was: “How can we account for the difference between partners deeply committed to the organization, and those for whom the commitment is lesser and more temporary?” > Read Blog Post → > Past Blog Posts > > > Integrate Perspectives > On many teams, critical perspectives are ignored or dismissed when they’re not shared by the leader or by the majority. > Read → > > Organization vs. Tribe > “It is an inappropriate use of love and care to use love and care to get something done” — David Allen > Read → > Trainings on the West Coast > > > Intro Workshop in San Francisco, CA — Dec 3, 2013 > Kindly hosted by IDEO on the bayfront... don't miss it! > Intro Workshop in Las Vegas, NV — Jan 31, 2014 > Practitioner Training in Las Vegas, NV — Feb 1-5, 2014 > With the vibrant Downtown Project nearby... > Oh, and do you know that Brian Robertson gives aIntro Webinar tomorrow Friday? Last minute registrations are welcome! > All Upcoming Events > > > > > Copyright © 2013 HolacracyOne, LLC, All rights reserved. > You have received this email because you have opted in via our website or in person, or have attended an one of our workshops or webinars. > > Our mailing address is: > HolacracyOne, LLC > 1741 Hilltop Road, Suite 200 > Spring City, PA 19475 > > >

9 years, 7 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] temporary email suspensions

by Lovelle Mixon

Running a listserv is a completely thankless job. You're just witnessing how giovanni_re/john fastmail/john/john regan works. I don't think he's a bad person. He's not assaulting anyone. He is genuinely excited about computers and Linux and communities and free software. His usual mode is he joins a free culture/ community/open source software community mailing list, and then every few months or so starts cross posting interesting links or forwarding emails from one list to the other, no editing, just WHAM here read email from this other place, not realizing that if someone wants to read email from the other mailing list, they would just JOIN that mailing list, no need to forward it. He's been doing this for over 10 years. He'll be doing it long after sudoroom is gone. You usually don't notice what's happening because he's on a LOT of mailing lists, and annoying each of the mailing lists is a lot of work, so he doesn't get around to forwarding stuff to your mailing list until about a month in the cycle. Sometimes he gets super excited about something ( RADIO! ) and starts concentrating on your particular community, and boom you get the 10 emails in 1 hour problem you just saw. Unknown how to properly deal with him. People don't join his list BerkeleyTIP so he feels the need to branch out. Personally, I think it would help if he fixed the links on his site that are broken and updated and are over 4 years old now. That would be a great start. John, you have a perfectly good wiki over on BerkeleyTIP. You could update it with spectrum FCC radio announcements. You've been trying to get inspire Noisebridge and Sudoroom to grab some spectrum of their own. Getting your website in order would be a good start. Best Lovelle _____________________________________________________________ Get your own ILoveBeer.ca email, <yourname>@ilovebeer.ca!

9 years, 7 months

a one-page doc on do-ocracy, and a question

by Danny Spitzberg

Hey, Sudoers there's been a whole lotta talk and excitement about "do-ocracy" and, occasionally, adhocracy. That's rad! I'd like to question the notion that "do-ocracy" is the logical end of collective efforts. In my view, do-ocracy is a great practice and ethic that is best served embedded in a loaf baked with intention, care, and... democracy. To substantiate that, I'd like to share a one-page doc I composed that situates do-ocracy as a phase between two others, one the early "dream" state and the other an advanced "democracy" (so-called). While these phases exist on a gradient and can (and should) organically bleed into one another, there are important distinctions and caveats. I hope this sparks some constructive conversation around accountability and alignment within the group. Really, I do! warmly, very warmly, Danny [image: Inline image 1]

9 years, 7 months

Re: [sudo-discuss] [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors

by Jenny Ryan

On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote: > just wondering how you're thinking about resumes that are available online > or on a personal blog as different from LinkedIn, etc.. sincerely not sure > what you mean by this paragraph below. > > sent from eddan.com > > > On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I also think it's important we de-emphasize the Board as much as > possible - and in that vein would like to propose that anyone elected to > the board not list their "position" on LinkedIn, Facebook etc to avoid the > public image of having a hierarchical structure. However, it is indeed a > position of responsibility that reflects commitment to the group and, as > such, folks elected should be allowed to list it on job applications and > resumes if so desired. In a similar vein, anyone on the compact should very > much consider themselves a co-founder! > Hi! Replying to you, Eddan, as well as the list, in case anyone else was confused by this proposal. I was just thinking about the public perception of hierarchy and ways to minimize that. My distinguishing between LinkedIn and job applications was to distinguish between publicly- and privately-communicated content - so an online [public] blog, resume, etc would fall in the same category as LinkedIn for all intents and purposes. Just a suggestion, happy to discuss!

9 years, 7 months

Help us plan a BIG First Friday this week!

by Yardena Cohen

Tonight's meeting has morphed enthusiastically into a planning session for this week's first friday / art murmur. In two days, we'll be at the intersection of: * Halloween / Day of the Dead / All Souls * Sudoroom's first anniversary of moving into our current space * Filing our corp papers in Sacramento * Expanding to new spaces & new ventures So we're going to throw a birthday party for ourselves on Friday night. We're going to bill it as an Art Murmur afterparty from around 7pm to 2am. It will be advertised as having a fundraiser component (donation pitches + raffle), but not as a fundraiser. The promotional materials are being designed right now and we'll have them ready to go viral by tomorrow morning. Here are things we need your help with NOW: * THINGS TO RAFFLE - things and services * A/V STUFF - we have an awesome DJ lined up but need equipment * CATERING - food/drink * your input and ideas for this party and all logistics * invite all your friends * wear a great costume

9 years, 7 months

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