27 Oct
2013
27 Oct
'13
8:44 a.m.
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
just wondering how you're thinking about resumes
that are available online
or on a personal blog as different from LinkedIn, etc.. sincerely not sure
what you mean by this paragraph below.
sent from eddan.com
Hi!
Replying to you, Eddan, as well as the list, in case anyone else was
confused by this proposal. I was just thinking about the public perception
of hierarchy and ways to minimize that. My distinguishing between LinkedIn
and job applications was to distinguish between publicly- and
privately-communicated content - so an online [public] blog, resume, etc
would fall in the same category as LinkedIn for all intents and purposes.
Just a suggestion, happy to discuss!
On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jenny Ryan
<tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I also think it's important we de-emphasize the Board as much as
possible -
and in that vein would like to propose that anyone elected to
the board not list their "position" on LinkedIn, Facebook etc to avoid the
public image of having a hierarchical structure. However, it is indeed a
position of responsibility that reflects commitment to the group and, as
such, folks elected should be allowed to list it on job applications and
resumes if so desired. In a similar vein, anyone on the compact should very
much consider themselves a co-founder!
27 Oct
27 Oct
11:04 a.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
Quite frankly: no hierarchy is a bad idea. Minimal, flat, and respectful
leadership with as much power devolved/delegated as possible is great...but
there's always going to be people with less decision making authority than
others. Not everyone is going to have signing authority at the bank, and
most other organizations are going to want some form of continuity with
regard to point of contact.
Being on the board of a successful organization is a point of some pride,
but likewise, being on the board of a sinking ship is stressful and nerve
wracking, especially when creditors come calling. If you intend to operate
as a cash business, you're going to need a leadership that can make
decisions on when to save and when to spend. If you intend to take on debt,
such as a mortgage or lease might entail, you're going to need to own your
decisions for good or bad, and expect praise when you lead with clarity,
and expect a lawsuit when you slack. You will not have any choice in the
matter: all organizations have good and bad days.
Honestly, Sudo Room seems to live hand to mouth every month because you do
not have a leadership willing to make tough decisions to save a buffer, so
that your landlord has less power over you. You had a plan to save but have
not executed on it. You are indebted, whether you acknowledge it or not, to
your (hopefully benevolent) dictators, like your Lord George, who because
they hold the power of debt above you, disempower you. What you need is a
renewed commitment to a savings plan, to live not at the lordship of the
weather but to be free through the insurance policy of a positive cash
flow. Perhaps this means developing relationships with a diverse set of
sources of wealth: both talent that adds value as well as grant giving
people and organizations.
You cannot de emphasize your board if you expect to be taken seriously by
other organizations, unless you only ever want to deal with organizations
that have similar ad hoc leadership. Honestly, I don't believe that
Noisebridge operates without the benefaction of invisible leaders who
actually lever great power. I think that there is the visible process, and
an invisible one, and you would be well served to make the invisible
visible. I value honesty and radical transparency, and I think you should,
too.
What will happen if you are not cautious at this step is that everyone will
want to lead when things are good, and no one will want to lead when fields
are fallow. But the only time you ever really need a leader is when times
are tough, and the path is not clear. In those times, your leader will have
a quiet, wise voice, and you will need to have a board that is listening,
not speaking, if you hope to recover. Listening to that quiet voice.
I am strongly opposed to any proposal that involves enforced (or even
"recommended") silence. What your leaders need to do is not toot their own
horn, but advocate for those who do in the do ocracy, whether they be board
members or not. The board is the voice of those who do not have the
strength or courage to speak for themselves. The board needs to listen, not
speak, and learn who to hand the megaphone to. Such a board may seem
invisible, indistinguishable from and much like your "no hierarchy" board,
but it is a very different thing.
A board must not speak for themselves, but be the voice of consensus. What
I have seen is a very strange form of popularity contest, which is why I
have chosen to withdraw my energy from this group over the last few months.
When you resume your commitments to transparency and saving, I will give
more strongly. But this "we're nearing zero balance" bullshit must end, and
you need to elect leaders who will deliver that end, soon, because that is
your path to freedom. Demand a plan for that, or withhold your vote.
Your board may seem immaterial because success will be driven by your
members, but if you are wise, you will elect people who *can* lead without
power, drive without steering, promote without ego, and choose without
deciding. That should be the board you elect: and you *should* give them
all the power, because they will behave with your values and for you.
Think about this: who listens for the sense of the group, then works
actively, builds consensus toward that? Elect them. Who demonstrates your
values?
Matt H.
On Sunday, October 27, 2013, Jenny Ryan wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Eddan Katz
<eddan@clear.net<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'eddan(a)clear.net');>
wrote:
just wondering how you're thinking about
resumes that are available
online or on a personal blog as different from LinkedIn, etc.. sincerely
not sure what you mean by this paragraph below.
sent from eddan.com
Hi!
Replying to you, Eddan, as well as the list, in case anyone else was
confused by this proposal. I was just thinking about the public perception
of hierarchy and ways to minimize that. My distinguishing between LinkedIn
and job applications was to distinguish between publicly- and
privately-communicated content - so an online [public] blog, resume, etc
would fall in the same category as LinkedIn for all intents and purposes.
Just a suggestion, happy to discuss!
On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jenny Ryan
<tunabananas@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'tunabananas(a)gmail.com');>>
wrote:
I also think it's important we de-emphasize the Board as much as
possible -
and in that vein would like to propose that anyone elected to
the board not list their "position" on LinkedIn, Facebook etc to avoid the
public image of having a hierarchical structure. However, it is indeed a
position of responsibility that reflects commitment to the group and, as
such, folks elected should be allowed to list it on job applications and
resumes if so desired. In a similar vein, anyone on the compact should very
much consider themselves a co-founder!
11:58 a.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Matthew Harbowy <hbergeronx(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Quite frankly: no hierarchy is a bad idea. Minimal,
flat, and respectful
leadership with as much power devolved/delegated as possible is great...but
there's always going to be people with less decision making authority than
others. Not everyone is going to have signing authority at the bank, and
most other organizations are going to want some form of continuity with
regard to point of contact.
Our Articles clearly outline that decisions are made by either full or
majority consensus, meaning that no member has more or less decision-making
authority than any other member. The role of the board members would be to
finalize the collective decision-making process on paper.
We do have a bank account, and those who can sign checks are essentially
those who've volunteered to do so.
As it currently stands, whoever reaches out to another organization (be it
other hackerspaces or grant-making agencies) becomes the point of contact
for that relationship.
Being on the board of a successful organization is a
point of some pride,
but likewise, being on the board of a sinking ship is stressful and nerve
wracking, especially when creditors come calling. If you intend to operate
as a cash business, you're going to need a leadership that can make
decisions on when to save and when to spend. If you intend to take on debt,
such as a mortgage or lease might entail, you're going to need to own your
decisions for good or bad, and expect praise when you lead with clarity,
and expect a lawsuit when you slack. You will not have any choice in the
matter: all organizations have good and bad days.
We are not a 'cash business,' but I may unclear on what you mean by that. A
primary value of Sudo Room is cultivating a 'leader-full' membership -
rather than no one having responsibility, we all do. I find it presumptuous
to assume that our organization 'needs' leadership, when many of our
members are involved in successful organizations that continue to run
without a traditional leadership structure.
Honestly, Sudo Room seems to live hand to mouth every
month because you do
not have a leadership willing to make tough decisions to save a buffer, so
that your landlord has less power over you. You had a plan to save but have
not executed on it. You are indebted, whether you acknowledge it or not, to
your (hopefully benevolent) dictators, like your Lord George, who because
they hold the power of debt above you, disempower you. What you need is a
renewed commitment to a savings plan, to live not at the lordship of the
weather but to be free through the insurance policy of a positive cash
flow. Perhaps this means developing relationships with a diverse set of
sources of wealth: both talent that adds value as well as grant giving
people and organizations.
I would agree that the system of landlords and renting property is innately
corrupt, in part because of the top-down form of power and authority it
perpetuates. Part of the motivation for incorporating and initiating the
non-profit process is to be able to receive grants intended for 501c3
organizations, and I agree it's important to diversify our sources of
funding.
You cannot de emphasize your board if you expect to be
taken seriously by
other organizations, unless you only ever want to deal with organizations
that have similar ad hoc leadership. Honestly, I don't believe that
Noisebridge operates without the benefaction of invisible leaders who
actually lever great power. I think that there is the visible process, and
an invisible one, and you would be well served to make the invisible
visible. I value honesty and radical transparency, and I think you should,
too.
Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values so as to be taken
seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and parcel of being
a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an ad hoc and ever-changing
do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely makes
static what is in actuality a dynamic aspect of the community, hence its
role (in the vein of honesty and radical transparency) is as merely an
on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes. Come
to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily apparent who's
currently taking on leadership roles.
What will happen if you are not cautious at this step
is that everyone
will want to lead when things are good, and no one will want to lead when
fields are fallow. But the only time you ever really need a leader is when
times are tough, and the path is not clear. In those times, your leader
will have a quiet, wise voice, and you will need to have a board that is
listening, not speaking, if you hope to recover. Listening to that quiet
voice.
I have long been impressed with our community's capacity to listen to each
other as equals in the leadership of our space.
I am strongly opposed to any proposal that involves
enforced (or even
"recommended") silence. What your leaders need to do is not toot their own
horn, but advocate for those who do in the do ocracy, whether they be board
members or not. The board is the voice of those who do not have the
strength or courage to speak for themselves. The board needs to listen, not
speak, and learn who to hand the megaphone to. Such a board may seem
invisible, indistinguishable from and much like your "no hierarchy" board,
but it is a very different thing.
Our Directors are not our leaders, and Sudoers quite often toot each
other's horns in supporting strong projects, contributions to the space,
and wise proposals. I think we could *all* benefit from some facilitation
training to become even better at supporting those who feel afraid or
uncomfortable speaking for themselves.
A board must not speak for themselves, but be the
voice of consensus. What
I have seen is a very strange form of popularity contest, which is why I
have chosen to withdraw my energy from this group over the last few months.
When you resume your commitments to transparency and saving, I will give
more strongly. But this "we're nearing zero balance" bullshit must end,
and
you need to elect leaders who will deliver that end, soon, because that is
your path to freedom. Demand a plan for that, or withhold your vote.
A popularity contest? Our commitment to transparency means that all of our
human
dramas, our difficulties in overcoming lifetimes of living within a
system that perpetuates hierarchy and oppression, are there on the table
for you to dissect from the comfort of your inbox.
Saving is possible when there is an excess of income, which we do not now
have nor have we ever had - this much is true. Hence moving forward with
acquiring non-profit status and concretizing our membership policy (which I
believe is next on the agenda after electing a board, with many ideas
already discussed in previous meetings).
Your board may seem immaterial because success will be
driven by your
members, but if you are wise, you will elect people who *can* lead without
power, drive without steering, promote without ego, and choose without
deciding. That should be the board you elect: and you *should* give them
all the power, because they will behave with your values and for you.
Think about this: who listens for the sense of the group, then works
actively, builds consensus toward that? Elect them. Who demonstrates your
values?
Under our Articles of Association and the values we have defined as shared
values from day 1, we are all imbued with these responsibilities and any
Board is a construct of the State to satisfy minimum basic requirements of
on-paper responsibility. If we could route around this requirement, we
would.
Jenny
Matt H.
On Sunday, October 27, 2013, Jenny Ryan wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
>
>> just wondering how you're thinking about resumes that are available
>> online or on a personal blog as different from LinkedIn, etc.. sincerely
>> not sure what you mean by this paragraph below.
>>
>> sent from eddan.com
>>
>> > On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >
>> > I also think it's important we de-emphasize the Board as much as
>> possible - and in that vein would like to propose that anyone elected to
>> the board not list their "position" on LinkedIn, Facebook etc to avoid
the
>> public image of having a hierarchical structure. However, it is indeed a
>> position of responsibility that reflects commitment to the group and, as
>> such, folks elected should be allowed to list it on job applications and
>> resumes if so desired. In a similar vein, anyone on the compact should very
>> much consider themselves a co-founder!
>>
>
> Hi!
>
> Replying to you, Eddan, as well as the list, in case anyone else was
> confused by this proposal. I was just thinking about the public perception
> of hierarchy and ways to minimize that. My distinguishing between LinkedIn
> and job applications was to distinguish between publicly- and
> privately-communicated content - so an online [public] blog, resume, etc
> would fall in the same category as LinkedIn for all intents and purposes.
>
> Just a suggestion, happy to discuss!
>
>
1:55 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
I don't think that coming to evening meetings and weekend events should be the
ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family obligations.
On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values
so as to be taken seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and parcel of
being a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an ad hoc and ever-changing do-ocracy of
leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely makes static what is in actuality
a dynamic aspect of the community, hence its role (in the vein of honesty and radical
transparency) is as merely an on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic
processes. Come to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily apparent
who's currently taking on leadership roles.
7:32 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz <eddank(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think that coming to evening meetings and
weekend events should be
the ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family
obligations.
Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to describing
all the ways in which people regularly show their commitment to Sudo Room:
There's also building infrastructure in the space, creating/making awesome
things, giving tours, managing the landlord situation, managing the trash
(thanks david k!), leading classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and
BEAUTIFYING the space [the move to colorful late-night mood lighting the
other week was especially clutch].
BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to
contribute tangible Things: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
Jenny
On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan
<tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values so as to be taken
seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and parcel of being
a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an ad hoc and ever-changing
do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely makes
static what is in actuality a dynamic aspect of the community, hence its
role (in the vein of honesty and radical transparency) is as merely an
on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes. Come
to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily apparent who's
currently taking on leadership roles.
28 Oct
28 Oct
2:30 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
So by my count, the following summarizes the status of the Board nominations. Please
correct any errors I've made.
--
Confirmed
Max (notconfusing)
Jenny (tunabananas)
Nominated
Marc (marcjc)
Matt (mattsenate)
Marina (mk30)
J.C. (r33lmm)
Vicky (ykciv)
Liberty (thattechgirl)
Respectfully Decline
Kare (kkr)
Jordan (yardena)
------
Apparently, the average size of a non-profit board is 16 people, and the median is 15.
I don't know anyone's handle, but I also wanted to nominate the following people
who have also shown the commitment that I think would make for a good Sudo Board member:
Ryan Bethencourt
Anthony di Franco
Johanna Faust
Hol Gaskill
Leonid Kozukh
Anca Mosoiu
Naomi Most
Romy Snowyla
On Oct 27, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz
<eddank(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think that coming to evening meetings and weekend events should be the
ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family obligations.
Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to describing all the ways in
which people regularly show their commitment to Sudo Room: There's also building
infrastructure in the space, creating/making awesome things, giving tours, managing the
landlord situation, managing the trash (thanks david k!), leading
classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and BEAUTIFYING the space [the move to colorful
late-night mood lighting the other week was especially clutch].
BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to contribute tangible
Things: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
Jenny
On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational
values so as to be taken seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and
parcel of being a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an ad hoc and ever-changing
do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely makes static what is
in actuality a dynamic aspect of the community, hence its role (in the vein of honesty and
radical transparency) is as merely an on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for
bureaucratic processes. Come to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily
apparent who's currently taking on leadership roles.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss 
10:47 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
I have sent a direct email to the people I know who have been nominated and
have not responded, to alert them of this action.
Max
On 28 October 2013 14:30, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
So by my count, the following summarizes the status of
the Board
nominations. Please correct any errors I've made.
--
*Confirmed*
Max (notconfusing)
Jenny (tunabananas)
*Nominated*
Marc (marcjc)
Matt (mattsenate)
Marina (mk30)
J.C. (r33lmm)
Vicky (ykciv)
Liberty (thattechgirl)
*Respectfully Decline*
Kare (kkr)
Jordan (yardena)
------
Apparently, the average size of a non-profit board is 16 people, and the
median is 15.
I don't know anyone's handle, but I also wanted to nominate the following
people who have also shown the commitment that I think would make for a
good Sudo Board member:
Ryan Bethencourt
Anthony di Franco
Johanna Faust
Hol Gaskill
Leonid Kozukh
Anca Mosoiu
Naomi Most
Romy Snowyla
On Oct 27, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz <eddank(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think that coming to evening meetings
and weekend events should
be the ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family
obligations.
Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to describing
all the ways in which people regularly show their commitment to Sudo Room:
There's also building infrastructure in the space, creating/making awesome
things, giving tours, managing the landlord situation, managing the trash
(thanks david k!), leading classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and
BEAUTIFYING the space [the move to colorful late-night mood lighting the
other week was especially clutch].
BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to
contribute tangible Things: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
Jenny
On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan
<tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values so as to be taken
seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and parcel of being
a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an ad hoc and ever-changing
do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely makes
static what is in actuality a dynamic aspect of the community, hence its
role (in the vein of honesty and radical transparency) is as merely an
on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes. Come
to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily apparent who's
currently taking on leadership roles.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
29 Oct
29 Oct
12:17 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
I'm honored by the thought but respectfully decline the nomination while
seconding all others not yet confirmed and sending my good wishes to those
who have accepted.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
So by my count, the following summarizes the status of
the Board
nominations. Please correct any errors I've made.
--
*Confirmed*
Max (notconfusing)
Jenny (tunabananas)
*Nominated*
Marc (marcjc)
Matt (mattsenate)
Marina (mk30)
J.C. (r33lmm)
Vicky (ykciv)
Liberty (thattechgirl)
*Respectfully Decline*
Kare (kkr)
Jordan (yardena)
------
Apparently, the average size of a non-profit board is 16 people, and the
median is 15.
I don't know anyone's handle, but I also wanted to nominate the following
people who have also shown the commitment that I think would make for a
good Sudo Board member:
Ryan Bethencourt
Anthony di Franco
Johanna Faust
Hol Gaskill
Leonid Kozukh
Anca Mosoiu
Naomi Most
Romy Snowyla
On Oct 27, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz <eddank(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think that coming to evening meetings
and weekend events should
be the ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family
obligations.
Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to describing
all the ways in which people regularly show their commitment to Sudo Room:
There's also building infrastructure in the space, creating/making awesome
things, giving tours, managing the landlord situation, managing the trash
(thanks david k!), leading classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and
BEAUTIFYING the space [the move to colorful late-night mood lighting the
other week was especially clutch].
BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to
contribute tangible Things: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
Jenny
On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan
<tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values so as to be taken
seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and parcel of being
a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an ad hoc and ever-changing
do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely makes
static what is in actuality a dynamic aspect of the community, hence its
role (in the vein of honesty and radical transparency) is as merely an
on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes. Come
to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily apparent who's
currently taking on leadership roles.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
1:24 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
Thanks for the nomination, Eddan.
I tentatively accept.
I know I haven't spent a lot of time at the sudo room, but I think it's
really important that this type of space continues to exist here in
Oakland, and will be there in the time of need.
Anca.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I'm honored by the thought but respectfully
decline the nomination while
seconding all others not yet confirmed and sending my good wishes to those
who have accepted.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
--
-=-=-=-
Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
anca(a)techliminal.com
M: (510) 220-6660
http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal
So by my count, the following summarizes the
status of the Board
nominations. Please correct any errors I've made.
--
*Confirmed*
Max (notconfusing)
Jenny (tunabananas)
*Nominated*
Marc (marcjc)
Matt (mattsenate)
Marina (mk30)
J.C. (r33lmm)
Vicky (ykciv)
Liberty (thattechgirl)
*Respectfully Decline*
Kare (kkr)
Jordan (yardena)
------
Apparently, the average size of a non-profit board is 16 people, and the
median is 15.
I don't know anyone's handle, but I also wanted to nominate the following
people who have also shown the commitment that I think would make for a
good Sudo Board member:
Ryan Bethencourt
Anthony di Franco
Johanna Faust
Hol Gaskill
Leonid Kozukh
Anca Mosoiu
Naomi Most
Romy Snowyla
On Oct 27, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz <eddank(a)gmail.com> wrote:
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
I don't think that coming to evening meetings
and weekend events should
be the ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family
obligations.
Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to describing
all the ways in which people regularly show their commitment to Sudo Room:
There's also building infrastructure in the space, creating/making awesome
things, giving tours, managing the landlord situation, managing the trash
(thanks david k!), leading classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and
BEAUTIFYING the space [the move to colorful late-night mood lighting the
other week was especially clutch].
BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to
contribute tangible Things: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
Jenny
On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan
<tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values so as to be taken
seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and parcel of being
a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an ad hoc and ever-changing
do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely makes
static what is in actuality a dynamic aspect of the community, hence its
role (in the vein of honesty and radical transparency) is as merely an
on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes. Come
to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily apparent who's
currently taking on leadership roles.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
3:44 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
Hi guys,
I haven't exactly been an active participant in Sudo Room lately, but
I have room in my life to handle some small amount of responsibility.
I'll accept the nomination.
I should say, though, that I've had a lot (a LOT) of conversations
with hackerspace founders lately, and I'm coming to the conclusion
that it is only the very exceptional community, with a very dedicated
presence of strong benevolent personalities, that doesn't eventually
come apart at the seams.
Noisebridge should not be held as a model of do-ocratic / flat
structure. It has serious, serious problems.
--Naomi
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
So by my count, the following summarizes the status of
the Board
nominations. Please correct any errors I've made.
--
Confirmed
Max (notconfusing)
Jenny (tunabananas)
Nominated
Marc (marcjc)
Matt (mattsenate)
Marina (mk30)
J.C. (r33lmm)
Vicky (ykciv)
Liberty (thattechgirl)
Respectfully Decline
Kare (kkr)
Jordan (yardena)
------
Apparently, the average size of a non-profit board is 16 people, and the
median is 15.
I don't know anyone's handle, but I also wanted to nominate the following
people who have also shown the commitment that I think would make for a good
Sudo Board member:
Ryan Bethencourt
Anthony di Franco
Johanna Faust
Hol Gaskill
Leonid Kozukh
Anca Mosoiu
Naomi Most
Romy Snowyla
On Oct 27, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz <eddank(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Naomi Theora Most
naomi(a)nthmost.com
+1-415-728-7490
skype: nthmost
http://twitter.com/nthmost
I don't think that coming to evening meetings and weekend events should be
the ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family
obligations.
Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to describing
all the ways in which people regularly show their commitment to Sudo Room:
There's also building infrastructure in the space, creating/making awesome
things, giving tours, managing the landlord situation, managing the trash
(thanks david k!), leading classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and
BEAUTIFYING the space [the move to colorful late-night mood lighting the
other week was especially clutch].
BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to contribute
tangible Things: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
Jenny
On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values so as to be taken
seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and parcel of being
a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an ad hoc and ever-changing
do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely makes
static what is in actuality a dynamic aspect of the community, hence its
role (in the vein of honesty and radical transparency) is as merely an
on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes. Come
to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily apparent who's
currently taking on leadership roles.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
5:14 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
Good points, Naomi.
This ties into the paper that Jenny posted recently as well. Strong,
benevolent personalities are going to be needed to keep things moving
forward just as much as stubborn, nitpicky, careful readers of contracts.
Anca.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
I haven't exactly been an active participant in Sudo Room lately, but
I have room in my life to handle some small amount of responsibility.
I'll accept the nomination.
I should say, though, that I've had a lot (a LOT) of conversations
with hackerspace founders lately, and I'm coming to the conclusion
that it is only the very exceptional community, with a very dedicated
presence of strong benevolent personalities, that doesn't eventually
come apart at the seams.
Noisebridge should not be held as a model of do-ocratic / flat
structure. It has serious, serious problems.
--Naomi
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
Room:
--
Naomi Theora Most
naomi(a)nthmost.com
+1-415-728-7490
skype: nthmost
http://twitter.com/nthmost
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
--
-=-=-=-
Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
anca(a)techliminal.com
M: (510) 220-6660
http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal
So by my count, the following summarizes the
status of the Board
nominations. Please correct any errors I've made.
--
Confirmed
Max (notconfusing)
Jenny (tunabananas)
Nominated
Marc (marcjc)
Matt (mattsenate)
Marina (mk30)
J.C. (r33lmm)
Vicky (ykciv)
Liberty (thattechgirl)
Respectfully Decline
Kare (kkr)
Jordan (yardena)
------
Apparently, the average size of a non-profit board is 16 people, and the
median is 15.
I don't know anyone's handle, but I also wanted to nominate the following
people who have also shown the commitment that I think would make for a
good
Sudo Board member:
Ryan Bethencourt
Anthony di Franco
Johanna Faust
Hol Gaskill
Leonid Kozukh
Anca Mosoiu
Naomi Most
Romy Snowyla
On Oct 27, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz <eddank(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think that coming to evening meetings and weekend events should
be
the
ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family
obligations.
Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to describing
all the ways in which people regularly show their commitment to Sudo There's also building infrastructure in the
space, creating/making
awesome
things, giving tours, managing the landlord
situation, managing the trash
(thanks david k!), leading classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and
BEAUTIFYING the space [the move to colorful late-night mood lighting the
other week was especially clutch].
BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to
contribute
tangible Things:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
Jenny
>
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values so as to be taken
> seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and parcel of
being
> a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an
ad hoc and ever-changing
> do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely
makes
> static what is in actuality a dynamic aspect
of the community, hence its
> role (in the vein of honesty and radical transparency) is as merely an
> on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes.
Come
> to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it
will be readily apparent
who's
currently
taking on leadership roles.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
5:29 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
The stubborn and nitpicky readers of contracts are actually part of
"strong, benevolent personalities".
The dichotomy is between people who are genuinely concerned for the
well-being of the community AND who have time/energy to be present in
it, and those who seek just to use the space and/or the people in it
without concern for social harmony or long-term maintenance.
Rhetoric doesn't perform the "work" of community, not nearly as much
as the act of being physically present in a space.
When those who are unenculturated and those who are malevolent to the
health of the community are physically present more than the
benevolent, the culture sours. No matter how good your Articles were
or are. There's always a way to subvert a written document; all you
have to do is convince enough people in your midst that certain words
matter more than other words.
What I've come to believe is that you can use hierarchical structures
to reinforce the culture you want.
If something happens, like the original group of cultural leaders
decides to take on a big project in Antarctica for half a year, you
are susceptible to major cultural swings. What you want is for there
to be a minimal vacuum when any strong personality decides to leave.
I'm (again) speaking through the lens of what I saw happen at
Noisebridge, and what is still currently the case there.
If you want Sudo Room to grow past (say) 150 people, you have to see
the work of culture as real work, that requires a real strategy.
We would all love, of course, for there to be no work in
enculturation. But we live in America, not pre-civilization Inuit
Alaska.
--Naomi
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca(a)techliminal.com> wrote:
Good points, Naomi.
This ties into the paper that Jenny posted recently as well. Strong,
benevolent personalities are going to be needed to keep things moving
forward just as much as stubborn, nitpicky, careful readers of contracts.
Anca.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Naomi Theora Most
naomi(a)nthmost.com
+1-415-728-7490
skype: nthmost
http://twitter.com/nthmost
Hi guys,
I haven't exactly been an active participant in Sudo Room lately, but
I have room in my life to handle some small amount of responsibility.
I'll accept the nomination.
I should say, though, that I've had a lot (a LOT) of conversations
with hackerspace founders lately, and I'm coming to the conclusion
that it is only the very exceptional community, with a very dedicated
presence of strong benevolent personalities, that doesn't eventually
come apart at the seams.
Noisebridge should not be held as a model of do-ocratic / flat
structure. It has serious, serious problems.
--Naomi
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
--
-=-=-=-
Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
anca(a)techliminal.com
M: (510) 220-6660
http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal So by my count, the following summarizes the
status of the Board
nominations. Please correct any errors I've made.
--
Confirmed
Max (notconfusing)
Jenny (tunabananas)
Nominated
Marc (marcjc)
Matt (mattsenate)
Marina (mk30)
J.C. (r33lmm)
Vicky (ykciv)
Liberty (thattechgirl)
Respectfully Decline
Kare (kkr)
Jordan (yardena)
------
Apparently, the average size of a non-profit board is 16 people, and the
median is 15.
I don't know anyone's handle, but I also wanted to nominate the
following
people who have also shown the commitment that I think would make for a
good
Sudo Board member:
Ryan Bethencourt
Anthony di Franco
Johanna Faust
Hol Gaskill
Leonid Kozukh
Anca Mosoiu
Naomi Most
Romy Snowyla
On Oct 27, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz <eddank(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Naomi Theora Most
naomi(a)nthmost.com
+1-415-728-7490
skype: nthmost
http://twitter.com/nthmost
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
I don't think that coming to evening meetings and weekend events should
be
the ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family
obligations.
Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to
describing
all the ways in which people regularly show their commitment to Sudo
Room:
There's also building infrastructure in the space, creating/making
awesome
things, giving tours, managing the landlord situation, managing the
trash
(thanks david k!), leading classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and
BEAUTIFYING the space [the move to colorful late-night mood lighting the
other week was especially clutch].
BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to
contribute
tangible Things: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
Jenny
On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values so as to be
taken
seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and parcel of
being
a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an ad hoc and ever-changing
do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely
makes
static what is in actuality a dynamic aspect of the community, hence
its
role (in the vein of honesty and radical transparency) is as merely an
on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes.
Come
to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily apparent
who's
currently taking on leadership roles.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
5:37 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
With all those points in mind, I hope that the strength and benevolence of
the people who lead and the community that develops around them is more of
the empathetic, pluralistic, pragmatic kind and less of the stubborn,
nitpicky, dogmatic kind.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca(a)techliminal.com> wrote:
Good points, Naomi.
This ties into the paper that Jenny posted recently as well. Strong,
benevolent personalities are going to be needed to keep things moving
forward just as much as stubborn, nitpicky, careful readers of contracts.
Anca.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
I haven't exactly been an active participant in Sudo Room lately, but
I have room in my life to handle some small amount of responsibility.
I'll accept the nomination.
I should say, though, that I've had a lot (a LOT) of conversations
with hackerspace founders lately, and I'm coming to the conclusion
that it is only the very exceptional community, with a very dedicated
presence of strong benevolent personalities, that doesn't eventually
come apart at the seams.
Noisebridge should not be held as a model of do-ocratic / flat
structure. It has serious, serious problems.
--Naomi
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net> wrote:
describing
--
Naomi Theora Most
naomi(a)nthmost.com
+1-415-728-7490
skype: nthmost
http://twitter.com/nthmost
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
--
-=-=-=-
Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
anca(a)techliminal.com
M: (510) 220-6660
http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
So by my count, the following summarizes the
status of the Board
nominations. Please correct any errors I've made.
--
Confirmed
Max (notconfusing)
Jenny (tunabananas)
Nominated
Marc (marcjc)
Matt (mattsenate)
Marina (mk30)
J.C. (r33lmm)
Vicky (ykciv)
Liberty (thattechgirl)
Respectfully Decline
Kare (kkr)
Jordan (yardena)
------
Apparently, the average size of a non-profit board is 16 people, and the
median is 15.
I don't know anyone's handle, but I also wanted to nominate the
following
people who have also shown the commitment that I
think would make for a
good
Sudo Board member:
Ryan Bethencourt
Anthony di Franco
Johanna Faust
Hol Gaskill
Leonid Kozukh
Anca Mosoiu
Naomi Most
Romy Snowyla
On Oct 27, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz <eddank(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think that coming to evening meetings and weekend events
should
be
the
ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family
obligations.
Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to all the ways in which people regularly show their
commitment to Sudo
Room:
There's also building infrastructure in the
space, creating/making
awesome
things, giving tours, managing the landlord
situation, managing the
trash
(thanks david k!), leading
classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and
BEAUTIFYING the space [the move to colorful late-night mood lighting the
other week was especially clutch].
BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to
contribute
tangible Things:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
Jenny
>
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values so as to be
taken
> seriously by traditional power structures.
This is part and parcel of
being
> a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an
ad hoc and ever-changing
> do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely
makes
> static what is in actuality a dynamic aspect
of the community, hence
its
> role (in the vein of honesty and radical
transparency) is as merely an
> on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes.
Come
> to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it
will be readily apparent
who's
currently
taking on leadership roles.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
30 Oct
30 Oct
12:35 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
Hi All,
I really appreciate the nomination but will unfortunately have to
decline, I love Sudo room and will continue to help wherever I can but
I'm getting close to maximum bandwidth with all of the awesome biohacker
and biotech projects (many of which Sudo inspired). I would however,
love to still keep the biohacker connection going at Sudo room and I'd
be happy to help with connecting us (Sudo) to the broader Biohacker
community (including Counter Culture Labs which I'm now a board member of).
I love the idea of a developing Sudo culture and looking forward to
further lively debates and membership :)
To all our fellow Sudo'ers, Live long and Prosper!
R
Anthony Di Franco <mailto:di.franco@gmail.com>
October 29, 2013 at 5:37 PM
With all those points in mind, I hope that the strength and
benevolence of the people who lead and the community that develops
around them is more of the empathetic, pluralistic, pragmatic kind and
less of the stubborn, nitpicky, dogmatic kind.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
Anca Mosoiu <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>
October 29, 2013 at 5:14 PM
Good points, Naomi.
This ties into the paper that Jenny posted recently as well. Strong,
benevolent personalities are going to be needed to keep things moving
forward just as much as stubborn, nitpicky, careful readers of contracts.
Anca.
--
-=-=-=-
Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
anca(a)techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>
M: (510) 220-6660
http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal
<http://facebook.com/techliminal>
_______________________________________________
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http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
Naomi Most <mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com>
October 29, 2013 at 3:44 PM
Hi guys,
I haven't exactly been an active participant in Sudo Room lately, but
I have room in my life to handle some small amount of responsibility.
I'll accept the nomination.
I should say, though, that I've had a lot (a LOT) of conversations
with hackerspace founders lately, and I'm coming to the conclusion
that it is only the very exceptional community, with a very dedicated
presence of strong benevolent personalities, that doesn't eventually
come apart at the seams.
Noisebridge should not be held as a model of do-ocratic / flat
structure. It has serious, serious problems.
--Naomi
Eddan Katz <mailto:eddan@clear.net>
October 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM
So by my count, the following summarizes the status of the Board
nominations. Please correct any errors I've made.
--
_Confirmed_
Max (notconfusing)
Jenny (tunabananas)
_Nominated_
Marc (marcjc)
Matt (mattsenate)
Marina (mk30)
J.C. (r33lmm)
Vicky (ykciv)
Liberty (thattechgirl)
_Respectfully Decline_
Kare (kkr)
Jordan (yardena)
------
Apparently, the average size of a non-profit board is 16 people, and
the median is 15.
I don't know anyone's handle, but I also wanted to nominate the
following people who have also shown the commitment that I think would
make for a good Sudo Board member:
Ryan Bethencourt
Anthony di Franco
Johanna Faust
Hol Gaskill
Leonid Kozukh
Anca Mosoiu
Naomi Most
Romy Snowyla
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
Jenny Ryan <mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com>
October 27, 2013 at 7:32 PM
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz <eddank(a)gmail.com
<mailto:eddank@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't think that coming to evening meetings and weekend events
should be the ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family
obligations.
Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to
describing all the ways in which people regularly show their
commitment to Sudo Room: There's also building infrastructure in the
space, creating/making awesome things, giving tours, managing the
landlord situation, managing the trash (thanks david k!), leading
classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and BEAUTIFYING the space [the
move to colorful late-night mood lighting the other week was
especially clutch].
BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to
contribute tangible Things: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
Jenny
On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com
<mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com>> wrote:
--
--
Ryan Bethencourt
Tel:(415) 825 2705
ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com <mailto:ryan.bethencourt@gmail.com>
@ryanbethencourt
www.bamh1.com <http://www.bamh1.com/>
www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt <http://www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt>
www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php
<http://www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php>
Sudo Room should not sacrifice its
foundational values so as to
be taken seriously by traditional power structures. This is part
and parcel of being a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an
ad hoc and ever-changing do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The
inscription of a Board merely makes static what is in actuality a
dynamic aspect of the community, hence its role (in the vein of
honesty and radical transparency) is as merely an on-paper
minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes. Come
to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily
apparent who's currently taking on leadership roles.
_______________________________________________
sudo-discuss mailing list
sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss 
31 Oct
31 Oct
2:53 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
Hi Sudoers!
Thank you for the nomination.
I would love to be a part of the board however I am unsure of the
expectations. I cannot accept it without being clear on what I am
committing to.
What is expected of me and what amount of time needs to be dedicated to
this role? I have been on an advisory board in the past but I have never
been a part of a forming board, so I am unsure.
Any insight would be appreciated?
Thanks guys!
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On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Ryan Bethencourt <
ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I really appreciate the nomination but will unfortunately have to decline,
I love Sudo room and will continue to help wherever I can but I'm getting
close to maximum bandwidth with all of the awesome biohacker and biotech
projects (many of which Sudo inspired). I would however, love to still keep
the biohacker connection going at Sudo room and I'd be happy to help with
connecting us (Sudo) to the broader Biohacker community (including Counter
Culture Labs which I'm now a board member of).
I love the idea of a developing Sudo culture and looking forward to
further lively debates and membership :)
To all our fellow Sudo'ers, Live long and Prosper!
R
Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>
October 29, 2013 at 5:37 PM
With all those points in mind, I hope that the strength and benevolence of
the people who lead and the community that develops around them is more of
the empathetic, pluralistic, pragmatic kind and less of the stubborn,
nitpicky, dogmatic kind.
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Anca Mosoiu <anca(a)techliminal.com>
October 29, 2013 at 5:14 PM
Good points, Naomi.
This ties into the paper that Jenny posted recently as well. Strong,
benevolent personalities are going to be needed to keep things moving
forward just as much as stubborn, nitpicky, careful readers of contracts.
Anca.
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Naomi Most <pnaomi(a)gmail.com>
October 29, 2013 at 3:44 PM
Hi guys,
I haven't exactly been an active participant in Sudo Room lately, but
I have room in my life to handle some small amount of responsibility.
I'll accept the nomination.
I should say, though, that I've had a lot (a LOT) of conversations
with hackerspace founders lately, and I'm coming to the conclusion
that it is only the very exceptional community, with a very dedicated
presence of strong benevolent personalities, that doesn't eventually
come apart at the seams.
Noisebridge should not be held as a model of do-ocratic / flat
structure. It has serious, serious problems.
--Naomi
Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net>
October 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM
So by my count, the following summarizes the status of the Board
nominations. Please correct any errors I've made.
--
*Confirmed*
Max (notconfusing)
Jenny (tunabananas)
*Nominated*
Marc (marcjc)
Matt (mattsenate)
Marina (mk30)
J.C. (r33lmm)
Vicky (ykciv)
Liberty (thattechgirl)
*Respectfully Decline*
Kare (kkr)
Jordan (yardena)
------
Apparently, the average size of a non-profit board is 16 people, and the
median is 15.
I don't know anyone's handle, but I also wanted to nominate the following
people who have also shown the commitment that I think would make for a
good Sudo Board member:
Ryan Bethencourt
Anthony di Franco
Johanna Faust
Hol Gaskill
Leonid Kozukh
Anca Mosoiu
Naomi Most
Romy Snowyla
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Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>
October 27, 2013 at 7:32 PM
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz <eddank(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think that coming to evening meetings
and weekend events should
be the ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family
obligations.
Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to describing
all the ways in which people regularly show their commitment to Sudo Room:
There's also building infrastructure in the space, creating/making awesome
things, giving tours, managing the landlord situation, managing the trash
(thanks david k!), leading classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and
BEAUTIFYING the space [the move to colorful late-night mood lighting the
other week was especially clutch].
BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to
contribute tangible Things: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
Jenny
On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan
<tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values so as to be taken
seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and parcel of being
a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an ad hoc and ever-changing
do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely makes
static what is in actuality a dynamic aspect of the community, hence its
role (in the vein of honesty and radical transparency) is as merely an
on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes. Come
to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily apparent who's
currently taking on leadership roles.
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1 Nov
3:11 p.m.
New subject: [consensus] Nominations for Board of Directors
Hmm.* GOOD QUESTION, LIBERTY! *I'm thrilled that this initiative is
moving. My understanding is that folks moving it have been trying to figure
out a way to hack (call it what you will) creation of a board of directors
primarily because it is a requirement for incorporating as a legal entity.
What remains TBD? My understanding is,
About the board,
-what is, pray-tell, the general role and responsibility and the specific
positions, if any?
-how long are the initial terms for this inaugural board?
About elections,
-who is eligible to vote for board members running?
-how will that happen?
About incorporation,
-some for of nonprofit? and if so, which kind of a 501(c)?
About this board-building initiative,
-anyone else have a way to break down/ build up these details?.. maybe, a
page on the wiki
:Danbann
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Liberty Madison <liberty(a)libertymadison.com
wrote:
> Hi Sudoers!
> Thank you for the nomination.
> I would love to be a part of the board however I am unsure of the
> expectations. I cannot accept it without being clear on what I am
> committing to.
> What is expected of me and what amount of time needs to be dedicated to
> this role? I have been on an advisory board in the past but I have never
> been a part of a forming board, so I am unsure.
> Any insight would be appreciated?
> Thanks guys!
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> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Ryan Bethencourt <
> ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I really appreciate the nomination but will unfortunately have to
>> decline, I love Sudo room and will continue to help wherever I can but I'm
>> getting close to maximum bandwidth with all of the awesome biohacker and
>> biotech projects (many of which Sudo inspired). I would however, love to
>> still keep the biohacker connection going at Sudo room and I'd be happy to
>> help with connecting us (Sudo) to the broader Biohacker community
>> (including Counter Culture Labs which I'm now a board member of).
>>
>> I love the idea of a developing Sudo culture and looking forward to
>> further lively debates and membership :)
>>
>> To all our fellow Sudo'ers, Live long and Prosper!
>> R
>>
>> Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>
>> October 29, 2013 at 5:37 PM
>> With all those points in mind, I hope that the strength and benevolence
>> of the people who lead and the community that develops around them is more
>> of the empathetic, pluralistic, pragmatic kind and less of the stubborn,
>> nitpicky, dogmatic kind.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>> Anca Mosoiu <anca(a)techliminal.com>
>> October 29, 2013 at 5:14 PM
>> Good points, Naomi.
>>
>> This ties into the paper that Jenny posted recently as well. Strong,
>> benevolent personalities are going to be needed to keep things moving
>> forward just as much as stubborn, nitpicky, careful readers of contracts.
>>
>> Anca.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -=-=-=-
>> Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal
>> anca(a)techliminal.com
>> M: (510) 220-6660
>> http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal
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>> Naomi Most <pnaomi(a)gmail.com>
>> October 29, 2013 at 3:44 PM
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I haven't exactly been an active participant in Sudo Room lately, but
>> I have room in my life to handle some small amount of responsibility.
>> I'll accept the nomination.
>>
>> I should say, though, that I've had a lot (a LOT) of conversations
>> with hackerspace founders lately, and I'm coming to the conclusion
>> that it is only the very exceptional community, with a very dedicated
>> presence of strong benevolent personalities, that doesn't eventually
>> come apart at the seams.
>>
>> Noisebridge should not be held as a model of do-ocratic / flat
>> structure. It has serious, serious problems.
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Eddan Katz <eddan(a)clear.net>
>> October 28, 2013 at 2:30 PM
>> So by my count, the following summarizes the status of the Board
>> nominations. Please correct any errors I've made.
>> --
>> *Confirmed*
>> Max (notconfusing)
>> Jenny (tunabananas)
>>
>> *Nominated*
>> Marc (marcjc)
>> Matt (mattsenate)
>> Marina (mk30)
>> J.C. (r33lmm)
>> Vicky (ykciv)
>> Liberty (thattechgirl)
>>
>> *Respectfully Decline*
>> Kare (kkr)
>> Jordan (yardena)
>> ------
>>
>> Apparently, the average size of a non-profit board is 16 people, and the
>> median is 15.
>> I don't know anyone's handle, but I also wanted to nominate the
following
>> people who have also shown the commitment that I think would make for a
>> good Sudo Board member:
>>
>> Ryan Bethencourt
>> Anthony di Franco
>> Johanna Faust
>> Hol Gaskill
>> Leonid Kozukh
>> Anca Mosoiu
>> Naomi Most
>> Romy Snowyla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>> Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>
>> October 27, 2013 at 7:32 PM
>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Eddan Katz <eddank(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think that coming to evening meetings and weekend events should
>>> be the ultimate metric of commitment to Sudo Room.
>>> Not everyone can make it at those times because of work and family
>>> obligations.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed, thanks for picking up on that and giving an opening to describing
>> all the ways in which people regularly show their commitment to Sudo Room:
>> There's also building infrastructure in the space, creating/making awesome
>> things, giving tours, managing the landlord situation, managing the trash
>> (thanks david k!), leading classes/workshops/meetups, CLEANING and
>> BEAUTIFYING the space [the move to colorful late-night mood lighting the
>> other week was especially clutch].
>>
>> BTW, our Wishlist has recently been updated in case folks want to
>> contribute tangible Things: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Wishlist
>>
>> Jenny
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Sudo Room should not sacrifice its foundational values so as to be taken
>>> seriously by traditional power structures. This is part and parcel of being
>>> a vessel of social change. Noisebridge has an ad hoc and ever-changing
>>> do-ocracy of leaders, as does Sudo. The inscription of a Board merely makes
>>> static what is in actuality a dynamic aspect of the community, hence its
>>> role (in the vein of honesty and radical transparency) is as merely an
>>> on-paper minimum satisfactory requirement for bureaucratic processes. Come
>>> to any meeting of Noisebridge or Sudo and it will be readily apparent
who's
>>> currently taking on leadership roles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing
listsudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.orghttp://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Ryan Bethencourt
>>
>> Tel: (415) 825 2705
>> ryan.bethencourt(a)gmail.com
>> @ryanbethencourt
>>
>> www.bamh1.com
>> www.linkedin.com/in/bethencourt
>> www.logos-press.com/books/biotechnology_business_development.php
>>
>>
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