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by Romy Ilano

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blog roll call: Does anyone have cool projects or photos to share around Juneteenth?

by Romy Ilano

Have any projects with crafting / technical projects around Juneteenth? Or PRIDE? This would be super rad! I don't have time to stop in would love to gather other folks' ideas! rock on! ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

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Sorry about the blog being behind! I switched it back to the old format

by Romy Ilano

https://sudoroom.org/blog/ Do you guys have any blog updates for the blog? sorry I have a crazy new schedule! I'm so happy to drop in today We have a lot of cool projects ahead! ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

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Fwd: [sudo-members] Invitation to Attend OSHWA's Open Healthware Conference in New York City!

by Jake

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 19:40:57 -0700 From: Open Healthware <openhealthware(a)oshwa.org> To: members(a)sudoroom.org, Alicia Seidle <alicia(a)oshwa.org> Subject: [sudo-members] Invitation to Attend OSHWA's Open Healthware Conference in New York City! Hi Sudo Room folks! I'm reaching out on behalf of the Open Source Hardware Association <http://www.oshwa.org/> to invite you to our upcoming Open Source Healthware Conference <https://… [View More]

2 days, 11 hours

Next two Saturdays: public library computer repair-oriented events in Oakland and Berkeley

by Peter Mui

Hi Sudoers: Our friends and fellow fixers at Thinkpads4All.org (a great bunch of high schoolers and college students) are holding computer repair workshops the next two Saturdays at libraries in Oakland and Berkeley: -Saturday, June 21, 2025 2:30pm – 5:00pm 81st Avenue Branch, Oakland Public Library https://oaklandlibrary.bibliocommons.com/events/67cb854e596bfd2f001864d4 -Saturday, June 28 1:00pm - 3:00pm Tarea Hall Pittman South Branch, Berkeley Public Library https://… [View More]

4 days, 8 hours

ice protests

by Patrick Clawson

There is an ICE protest at fruitvale tonight at 6pm so I will either be late to tonight's meetup or not able to make it depending on how things go. This brought up a project I was interested in building, a stingray detector. The instructions I found online require either a RTL-SDR v3 or a HackRF One. Before I buy one online, I was wondering if anyone has one they'd be willing to loan to this project? -- Patrick Clawson

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Wednesday eve 5:30: Fixit Clinic Oakland Tool Lending Library / Temescal Branch

by Peter Mui

Hi Sudoers: Wednesday evening from 5:30 to 7 we’re holding a Fixit Clinic Repair Advice Session at the Oakland Tool Lending Library / Temescal Branch at 52nd and Telegraph (just a few blocks away from Omni Commons): https://oaklandlibrary.bibliocommons.com/events/67e5bdb9f97aac3d000a7333 These Temescal Library Fixit Clinics are an important Sudo Room outreach activity for raising neighborhood awareness of Sudo Room / Omni Commons and recruiting new members as we work alongside neighbors … [View More]

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Re: Apartheid-Free Communities pledge

by imogen

jake sent me a private message where he implied that I am in common with trump supporters. That accusation made me feel unsafe talking to him, so I didn’t reply. I think he blocked me because of it. now what? On 2025-06-06 15:24, Geffen Avraham wrote: > My positions are pro-coexistence, anti-war, and critical of Israel, > but stop short of cheering the people who want us dead. > > In Israel they would get me branded a traitor. Here you call me a > genocide supporter when I … [View More]explicitly condemn it. > > You don’t ask Chinese people if they disavow the CCP, which put 1M > Muslims in cages. You certainly don’t ask them to condemn all > Chinese citizens who are members. > > I have very clearly stated that I oppose Israel’s actions and want > Palestinians to live, yet you put words in my mouth because I fall > short of demonizing half my people and rooting for them to die! > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 3:16 PM Geffen Avraham > <arora.tintin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Jake, at what point have I defended genocide, when I have EXPLICITLY >> STATED I don’t. >> >> I will not respond to your intimidation and attempt and blocking >> people who feel unsafe by your tacit support of murdering innocent >> people for their nationality. >> >> Do you think half the worlds Jews are evil? >> >> YES or NO >> >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 2:22 PM Geffen Avraham >> <arora.tintin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Seriously, that's where we're we've gotten to? Raising concerns >> about antisemitism means you're a racist? >> >> Jake has tried to ban me for daring to raise concerns about >> anti-jewish racism. >> >> i have funded and kept sudo alive during times when it was at risk >> of foreclosure. at no point have i made any apologia for any israeli >> crimes, only criticism of arab nationalism and islamic theocracy. >> >> the amount of people america bombed in one night in dresden is more >> than all the people killed in gaza in 2 years. but i don't support >> bombing gaza, so stop spreading this lie about me. >> >> but you clearly don't want to stop the genocide, you want to swap >> the genocide. >> >> if you support abducting an infant from his mother's arms and >> keeping him in a tunnel - not an accidental death from a bombing, >> but an 8 month old ripped knowingly and intentionally by human hands >> from his family - say it so we can hear you. >> >> is your official position that half the world's jews are >> ontologically evil and not welcome at sudo, and that antisemtism is >> not real and it's racist to raise concerns about it? >> >> if so, please say it out loud so we can all hear you. >> >> If i get banned after this, let me serve as a canary in the coal >> mine - that without making any apologia for israeli war crimes, only >> pointing out the deep feeling of danger and lack of safety jews feel >> and daring to have empathy for 6 million of the world's jews, will >> ban you from this space. >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 9:51 PM Geffen Avraham >> <arora.tintin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> disappointed at the lack of uncritical support of arab nationalism >> and islamic extremism? >> trying to pretend religion has nothing to do with this conflict is >> like trying to pretend the civil war wasn't about slavery. >> >> neoconfederates who make this claim have to squint and wave away >> statements like Alexander H Stephens' Cornerstone Speech: "_slavery >> subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal >> condition" _or the Mississippi Declaration of Secession: >> _"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of >> slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."_ >> >> I couldn't understand how people could do this until I saw them deny >> and wave away religious extremism and antisemitism, whether from the >> Secretary-General of the Arab League: >> “I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as >> this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which >> will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars. >> This war will be distinguished by three serious matters. >> First—faith: as each fighter deems his death on behalf of >> Palestine as the shortest road to paradise;" >> >> It is plainly stated in the genocidal charter of Hamas, and in their >> naming of the Oct 7 massacre after Al-Aqsa Mosque: >> >> 'Peace initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and >> international conferences are in contradiction to the principles >> of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more >> than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the >> lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem >> except by Jihad.' >> >> Or even from the PNA government of today, which published an >> official government statement referring readers to the infamous >> Hadith that the day of judgement will not come until you kill the >> Jews. >> >> Yet people continue to squint and pretend that it's not about >> religious conflict. I recently watched the documentary "No Other >> Land", and, knowing a bit of Arabic, noticed that whenever the >> subtitles said "Israeli", the people were saying the word "Yahud" - >> Jew. Same when a protest passed by my house recently - the leaders >> were chanting in Arabic for the followers to repeat: "from water to >> water, Palestine is Arab" >> >> At no point above have I made any apologia for any Israeli actions - >> only pointed out the Palestine movement is not aligned with treating >> Jews as human beings - very openly not so in Arabic. And in Arabic, >> they make no distinction between "Jew" and "Israeli", and say >> "Arab", not "free". >> >> But nevertheless I must request a source for your claim that Israel >> created a fake feeding site and shot people who went there. >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 9:30 PM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss >> <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >> >> presently Israel is starving 2.2 million people to death inside a >> concentration camp, and they set up a fake "food distribution site" >> and shoot to kill anyone who approaches it. >> >> I was really hoping this "anti apartheid" proposal would be able to >> go through more easily and I'm extremely disappointed in what's >> happening here. >> >> -jake >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 7:37 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss >> <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >> >> I support us doing the Apartheid-Free Communities pledge. >> >> Aside: This thread brings up a good question of how do we >> decision-make? >> >> I looked at the wiki to see if there was any old protocol. There's >> this page that looks just like a brainstorming page: >> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/decisions >> >> Also there's our bylaws, which have been newly made: >> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws. We can have our internal way of >> doing things, but I would feel more comfortable if we had our bylaws >> match what we do as closely as possible so that we can confidently >> make decisions. And I think our bylaws as is are a good starting >> point: My understanding is our bylaws allow for a vote on things via >> ballot by members. Quorum for the vote is 7 people, and the decision >> is made by majority vote. >> >> SECTION 12. ACTION BY WRITTEN BALLOT WITHOUT A MEETING >> >> * (a) Any action which may be taken at any regular or special >> meeting of members may be taken without a meeting if the corporation >> distributes a written ballot to every member entitled to vote on the >> matter. The ballot and any related material may be sent by >> electronic transmission and responses may be returned to the >> corporation by electronic transmission. The ballot shall set forth >> the proposed action, provide an opportunity to specify approval or >> disapproval of any proposal, and provide a reasonable time within >> which to return the ballot to the corporation. >> * (b) Approval by written ballot pursuant to this section shall be >> valid only when the number of votes cast by ballot within the time >> period specified equals or exceeds the quorum required to be present >> at a meeting authorizing the action, and the number of approvals >> equals or exceeds the number of votes that would be required to >> approve at a meeting at which the total number of votes cast was the >> same as the number of votes cast by ballot. >> * (c) Ballots shall indicate the number of responses needed to meet >> the quorum requirement and, with respect to ballots other than for >> the election of directors, shall state the percentage of approvals >> necessary to pass the measure submitted. Ballots must specify the >> time by which the ballot must be received in order to be counted. >> * (d) A written ballot may not be revoked. >> >> SECTION 5. QUORUM FOR MEETINGS >> >> A quorum of the Members shall consist of at least seven (7) Members >> of the Corporation in good standing as of the date of the vote. The >> members present at a duly called and held meeting at which a quorum >> is initially present may continue to do business notwithstanding the >> loss of a quorum at the meeting due to a withdrawal of members from >> the meeting provided that any action taken after the loss of a >> quorum must be approved by at least a majority of the members >> required to constitute a quorum. >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 4:10 PM imogen via sudo-discuss >> <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >> As an anarchist pacifist, I am not in support of signing because I >> think >> that both "sides" are in the wrong. The land issue is a religious >> issue >> and both Islam and Judaism are problematic institutions. >> >> On 2025-06-05 15:56, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote: >>> if there are no objections can we go ahead and sign it? >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 11:13 PM Aaron Fenyes via sudo-discuss >>> <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Jake, Lo, and I (Aaron) talked about the Apartheid-Free >> Communities >>>> pledge at tonight's meeting! Here are some combined thoughts. >>>> >>>> === We should sign as soon as possible === >>>> >>>> Signing the pledge will counteract ongoing harm in a small but >> real >>>> way, so we should sign it as soon as possible. >>>> >>>> === Our obligations === >>>> >>>> Here's an idea of what we think we're promising to do, as an >>>> organization, by signing the pledge. >>>> >>>> --- Items 1-3 --- >>>> >>>>> WE AFFIRM our commitment to freedom, justice, and >>>>> equality for the Palestinian people and all people >>>>> >>>>> WE OPPOSE all forms of racism, bigotry, >>>>> discrimination, and oppression >>>>> >>>>> WE DECLARE ourselves an Apartheid-free community >>>> >>>> These are things we have or should have affirmed already, so >>>> (re)affirming them presumably won't change anything about how we >>>> operate. >>>> >>>> --- Item 4 --- >>>> >>>>> WE PLEDGE to join others in working to end all support to >> Israel's >>>>> Apartheid regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation. >>>> >>>> Here are some ways we can uphold this promise. >>>> >>>> - Sign the pledge. As Lo pointed out in the quoted e-mails below, >>>> just putting our name on the list of signatories already helps >>>> uphold our obligations: "It reflects public support to our >> elected >>>> officials when we press them to divest from Israeli violence. It >>>> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community. It >>>> challenges the official narratives and expands the public >>>> consciousness around Palestine." >>>> >>>> - Confirm on our wiki that we've signed the pledge, and add the >>>> Apartheid-Free Communities logo. >>>> >>>> - Facilitate (and, if possible, promote) the use of our space by >>>> organizations "working to end all support to Israel's Apartheid >>>> regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation." >>>> >>>> - Provide information resources (like flyers, zines, articles, >> book >>>> chapters, and a listening / watching / reading list) in the >> space. >>>> >>>> === Background on the campaign === >>>> >>>> This Apartheid-Free Communities campaign is financed by the >> American >>>> Friends Service Committee, a Quaker organization. You can find >> some >>>> steering committee members on the campaign site's "About" page >>>> (https://apartheid-free.org/about/). >>>> >>>> All the listed steering committee members are Christian or >> Unitarian >>>> organizations, which for one of us (Aaron) is kind of a red flag. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, the list of pledge signatories seems to >> include >>>> more diverse religious organizations. In particular, it has a >> good >>>> number of Jewish organizations, including the national and Bay >> Area >>>> chapters of Jewish Voice for Peace. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Jun 2025, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Let's have a meeting this coming Wednesday, in two days! Last >>>> week just >>>>>> three or four of us got together and discussed things as can be >>>> seen in the >>>>>> meeting notes: >>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's a proposed agenda: >>>>>> * catch up on new membership applications >>>>>> * continue talking about the process of sudoroom becoming its >>>> own 501(c)3 >>>>>> * the volunteer effort of updating our membership list >>>>>> * fundraising including reaching out to members who may have >>>> forgotten to >>>>>> pay dues >>>>>> * sudoroom signing the "Apartheid-Free Communities" pledge! See >>>> below for >>>>>> more info >>>>>> >>>>>> Lets say this Wednesday, 7:30PM? >>>>>> -jake >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: Lo via sudo-discuss sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> Date: Tue, May 27, 2025 at 7:37 PM >>>>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Proposal: SUDO room joins the Apartheid >>>> Free >>>>>> Communities Campaign >>>>>> To: sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Sudoroom members and leaders, >>>>>> >>>>>> For the past 2.5 years I’ve been a Sudoroom “member” (I >>>> say this in >>>>>> quotations because I’ve been paying dues and attending but >>>> have never been >>>>>> endorsed as a full fledged member), but I’d like to make a >>>> proposal that >>>>>> Sudoroom become an Apartheid Free Community! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am writing as a member of SURJ Bay Area’s Palestine >>>> Solidarity Campaign. >>>>>> As a racial justice organization, SURJ believes it is our moral >>>> obligation >>>>>> to demand an end to Israel’s system of apartheid, its >> genocide >>>> in Gaza, and >>>>>> its increasing violent seizure of land in the West Bank. All >>>> this is paid >>>>>> for by our tax dollars, with the U.S. directly funding the >>>> Israeli >>>>>> government to the tune of $35 billion a year. >>>>>> >>>>>> We invite Sudoroom to join us to support the Palestinian >>>> people’s human >>>>>> rights, lives, and lands by taking the pledge to become an >>>> Apartheid-Free >>>>>> Community. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apartheid is a crime against humanity. As defined by the United >>>> Nations >>>>>> https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html, apartheid >>>> includes: >>>>>> >>>>>> • Acts such as murder, torture, inhuman treatment, and >>>> arbitrary arrest of >>>>>> members of a racial group >>>>>> >>>>>> • Deliberate imposition upon the subjugated racial group of >>>> living >>>>>> conditions calculated to cause its physical destruction >>>>>> >>>>>> • Legislative measures that discriminate in the political, >>>> social, >>>>>> economic, and cultural fields >>>>>> >>>>>> We could fill pages with examples of how Israel’s treatment >> of >>>> Palestinians >>>>>> meets this criteria—from arrests and imprisonment without >>>> charges to the >>>>>> destruction of Gaza by bombing homes, hospitals, and schools >> and >>>> cutting >>>>>> off food, water, electricity and medical supplies. Palestinians >>>> are >>>>>> subjected to entirely different laws and judicial systems, >>>> without freedom >>>>>> of movement and economic opportunities. >>>>>> >>>>>> Inspired by the anti-apartheid movement that helped topple the >>>> white >>>>>> supremacist regime in South Africa, the Apartheid-Free >>>> Communities Campaign >>>>>> is bringing communities together to end apartheid in >>>> Israel/Palestine. We >>>>>> encourage Sudoroom to join the over 500 organizations across >> the >>>> globe, >>>>>> including cities, schools, faith-based communities, labor >>>> unions, >>>>>> businesses, and organizations, in taking the pledge to become >> an >>>>>> Apartheid-Free Community. >>>>>> >>>>>> Signing the Pledge makes a difference! It reflects public >>>> support to our >>>>>> elected officials when we press them to divest from Israeli >>>> violence. It >>>>>> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community. >>>> It >>>>>> challenges the official narratives and expands the public >>>> consciousness >>>>>> around Palestine. We ask that you sign this pledge, and take >>>> actions, in >>>>>> whatever way makes sense to Sudoroom, to be part of this >> effort. >>>>>> >>>>>> Be sure to let me know if you have any questions and how I can >>>> support your >>>>>> Sudoroom in signing the Pledge and joining this campaign. >>>>>> >>>>>> In Solidarity, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lo >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. We have materials including buttons, posters, and >> pamphlets >>>> you can >>>>>> use to increase awareness and build support. Plus the >>>> Apartheid-Free >>>>>> Communities website https://apartheid-free.org/about/ is full >> of >>>> great >>>>>> resources and educational materials. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Lo * >>>>>> Pronouns: She/They https://www.mypronouns.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society >>>> has >>>>>> written deep into each strand of tissue of every living person >>>> on earth. >>>>>> What it writes into the heart muscles of five star generals is >>>> distinct >>>>>> from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue and intestinal >>>> tracts of Black >>>>>> single mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana migrants in Fresno, but >>>> no body >>>>>> stands outside the consequences of injustice and inequality >>>>>> >>>>>> *― *Aurora Levins Morales >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> More options at >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>> More options at >>>> >>> >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>> More options at >>>> >>> >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>> More options at >>> >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org > More options at > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ [View Less]

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Do we want to get added to endof10.org?

by Anca Mosoiu

https://endof10.org is a project to help people re-image their old Windows 10 machines with Linux so they can continue using them. I just found out about this, and noticed that Sudo or Fixit clinics are not listed. Do we want to? Anca. -- -=-=-=- Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal anca(a)techliminal.com

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Re: Apartheid-Free Communities pledge

by imogen

An anti apartheid pledge is a fine start, but I wish it was broader to include all forms of targeted-group killing. Anyway, thanks Paige for bringing up process. Maybe someone could take a pole On 2025-06-06 14:41, Geffen Avraham wrote: > I condemn genocide of Palestinians.... and I condemn murdering > Israelis too. > If you believe that 6 million of the world's jews are essentially evil > and deserve no empathy - go ahead and invite stormfront, i'm sure > they'd love this. &… [View More]gt; > On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 2:30 PM Geffen Avraham > <arora.tintin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> i dream of one day gaza being a thriving shining city of the arab >> world, coexisting with its jewish neighbors as a beacon of beauty >> and freedom in the middle east. >> >> the people of israel want this. the people of gaza want this. the >> people who don't want this are war criminal netanyahu and hamas. >> >> in 2021, when netanyahu was briefly removed from office, yair lapid >> offered to free gaza, end the siege, rebuild their cities at israeli >> expense, make them a new airport an seaport, help provide them jobs, >> and even build them an entirely new city as reparations. >> >> they asked only one thing in return - not being murdered anymore. a >> permanent ceasefire. >> >> hamas declared it "temptation" and refused. >> >> Free Gaza and Permanent Ceasefire - exactly what we all want >> The Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) wanted to kill jews and said >> no. >> >> You can read about it in Al-Mayadeen - an anti-Israel, pro-Hamas, >> Hezbollah-owned Arabic Lebanese newspaper: >> > https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/sources-to-al-mayadeen:-hamas-… >> >> I pray deeply that I live to see Gaza free of Israeli occupation, >> free of bombing and violence, free of Islamic theocracy, and at >> peace with its Jewish brothers. >> >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 2:22 PM Geffen Avraham >> <arora.tintin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Seriously, that's where we're we've gotten to? Raising concerns >> about antisemitism means you're a racist? >> >> Jake has tried to ban me for daring to raise concerns about >> anti-jewish racism. >> >> i have funded and kept sudo alive during times when it was at risk >> of foreclosure. at no point have i made any apologia for any israeli >> crimes, only criticism of arab nationalism and islamic theocracy. >> >> the amount of people america bombed in one night in dresden is more >> than all the people killed in gaza in 2 years. but i don't support >> bombing gaza, so stop spreading this lie about me. >> >> but you clearly don't want to stop the genocide, you want to swap >> the genocide. >> >> if you support abducting an infant from his mother's arms and >> keeping him in a tunnel - not an accidental death from a bombing, >> but an 8 month old ripped knowingly and intentionally by human hands >> from his family - say it so we can hear you. >> >> is your official position that half the world's jews are >> ontologically evil and not welcome at sudo, and that antisemtism is >> not real and it's racist to raise concerns about it? >> >> if so, please say it out loud so we can all hear you. >> >> If i get banned after this, let me serve as a canary in the coal >> mine - that without making any apologia for israeli war crimes, only >> pointing out the deep feeling of danger and lack of safety jews feel >> and daring to have empathy for 6 million of the world's jews, will >> ban you from this space. >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 9:51 PM Geffen Avraham >> <arora.tintin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> disappointed at the lack of uncritical support of arab nationalism >> and islamic extremism? >> trying to pretend religion has nothing to do with this conflict is >> like trying to pretend the civil war wasn't about slavery. >> >> neoconfederates who make this claim have to squint and wave away >> statements like Alexander H Stephens' Cornerstone Speech: "_slavery >> subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal >> condition" _or the Mississippi Declaration of Secession: >> _"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of >> slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."_ >> >> I couldn't understand how people could do this until I saw them deny >> and wave away religious extremism and antisemitism, whether from the >> Secretary-General of the Arab League: >> “I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as >> this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which >> will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars. >> This war will be distinguished by three serious matters. >> First—faith: as each fighter deems his death on behalf of >> Palestine as the shortest road to paradise;" >> >> It is plainly stated in the genocidal charter of Hamas, and in their >> naming of the Oct 7 massacre after Al-Aqsa Mosque: >> >> 'Peace initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and >> international conferences are in contradiction to the principles >> of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more >> than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the >> lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem >> except by Jihad.' >> >> Or even from the PNA government of today, which published an >> official government statement referring readers to the infamous >> Hadith that the day of judgement will not come until you kill the >> Jews. >> >> Yet people continue to squint and pretend that it's not about >> religious conflict. I recently watched the documentary "No Other >> Land", and, knowing a bit of Arabic, noticed that whenever the >> subtitles said "Israeli", the people were saying the word "Yahud" - >> Jew. Same when a protest passed by my house recently - the leaders >> were chanting in Arabic for the followers to repeat: "from water to >> water, Palestine is Arab" >> >> At no point above have I made any apologia for any Israeli actions - >> only pointed out the Palestine movement is not aligned with treating >> Jews as human beings - very openly not so in Arabic. And in Arabic, >> they make no distinction between "Jew" and "Israeli", and say >> "Arab", not "free". >> >> But nevertheless I must request a source for your claim that Israel >> created a fake feeding site and shot people who went there. >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 9:30 PM Jake Watters via sudo-discuss >> <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >> >> presently Israel is starving 2.2 million people to death inside a >> concentration camp, and they set up a fake "food distribution site" >> and shoot to kill anyone who approaches it. >> >> I was really hoping this "anti apartheid" proposal would be able to >> go through more easily and I'm extremely disappointed in what's >> happening here. >> >> -jake >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 7:37 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss >> <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >> >> I support us doing the Apartheid-Free Communities pledge. >> >> Aside: This thread brings up a good question of how do we >> decision-make? >> >> I looked at the wiki to see if there was any old protocol. There's >> this page that looks just like a brainstorming page: >> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Sudo_room/decisions >> >> Also there's our bylaws, which have been newly made: >> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Bylaws. We can have our internal way of >> doing things, but I would feel more comfortable if we had our bylaws >> match what we do as closely as possible so that we can confidently >> make decisions. And I think our bylaws as is are a good starting >> point: My understanding is our bylaws allow for a vote on things via >> ballot by members. Quorum for the vote is 7 people, and the decision >> is made by majority vote. >> >> SECTION 12. ACTION BY WRITTEN BALLOT WITHOUT A MEETING >> >> * (a) Any action which may be taken at any regular or special >> meeting of members may be taken without a meeting if the corporation >> distributes a written ballot to every member entitled to vote on the >> matter. The ballot and any related material may be sent by >> electronic transmission and responses may be returned to the >> corporation by electronic transmission. The ballot shall set forth >> the proposed action, provide an opportunity to specify approval or >> disapproval of any proposal, and provide a reasonable time within >> which to return the ballot to the corporation. >> * (b) Approval by written ballot pursuant to this section shall be >> valid only when the number of votes cast by ballot within the time >> period specified equals or exceeds the quorum required to be present >> at a meeting authorizing the action, and the number of approvals >> equals or exceeds the number of votes that would be required to >> approve at a meeting at which the total number of votes cast was the >> same as the number of votes cast by ballot. >> * (c) Ballots shall indicate the number of responses needed to meet >> the quorum requirement and, with respect to ballots other than for >> the election of directors, shall state the percentage of approvals >> necessary to pass the measure submitted. Ballots must specify the >> time by which the ballot must be received in order to be counted. >> * (d) A written ballot may not be revoked. >> >> SECTION 5. QUORUM FOR MEETINGS >> >> A quorum of the Members shall consist of at least seven (7) Members >> of the Corporation in good standing as of the date of the vote. The >> members present at a duly called and held meeting at which a quorum >> is initially present may continue to do business notwithstanding the >> loss of a quorum at the meeting due to a withdrawal of members from >> the meeting provided that any action taken after the loss of a >> quorum must be approved by at least a majority of the members >> required to constitute a quorum. >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 4:10 PM imogen via sudo-discuss >> <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >> As an anarchist pacifist, I am not in support of signing because I >> think >> that both "sides" are in the wrong. The land issue is a religious >> issue >> and both Islam and Judaism are problematic institutions. >> >> On 2025-06-05 15:56, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote: >>> if there are no objections can we go ahead and sign it? >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 11:13 PM Aaron Fenyes via sudo-discuss >>> <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Jake, Lo, and I (Aaron) talked about the Apartheid-Free >> Communities >>>> pledge at tonight's meeting! Here are some combined thoughts. >>>> >>>> === We should sign as soon as possible === >>>> >>>> Signing the pledge will counteract ongoing harm in a small but >> real >>>> way, so we should sign it as soon as possible. >>>> >>>> === Our obligations === >>>> >>>> Here's an idea of what we think we're promising to do, as an >>>> organization, by signing the pledge. >>>> >>>> --- Items 1-3 --- >>>> >>>>> WE AFFIRM our commitment to freedom, justice, and >>>>> equality for the Palestinian people and all people >>>>> >>>>> WE OPPOSE all forms of racism, bigotry, >>>>> discrimination, and oppression >>>>> >>>>> WE DECLARE ourselves an Apartheid-free community >>>> >>>> These are things we have or should have affirmed already, so >>>> (re)affirming them presumably won't change anything about how we >>>> operate. >>>> >>>> --- Item 4 --- >>>> >>>>> WE PLEDGE to join others in working to end all support to >> Israel's >>>>> Apartheid regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation. >>>> >>>> Here are some ways we can uphold this promise. >>>> >>>> - Sign the pledge. As Lo pointed out in the quoted e-mails below, >>>> just putting our name on the list of signatories already helps >>>> uphold our obligations: "It reflects public support to our >> elected >>>> officials when we press them to divest from Israeli violence. It >>>> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community. It >>>> challenges the official narratives and expands the public >>>> consciousness around Palestine." >>>> >>>> - Confirm on our wiki that we've signed the pledge, and add the >>>> Apartheid-Free Communities logo. >>>> >>>> - Facilitate (and, if possible, promote) the use of our space by >>>> organizations "working to end all support to Israel's Apartheid >>>> regime, settler colonialism, and military occupation." >>>> >>>> - Provide information resources (like flyers, zines, articles, >> book >>>> chapters, and a listening / watching / reading list) in the >> space. >>>> >>>> === Background on the campaign === >>>> >>>> This Apartheid-Free Communities campaign is financed by the >> American >>>> Friends Service Committee, a Quaker organization. You can find >> some >>>> steering committee members on the campaign site's "About" page >>>> (https://apartheid-free.org/about/). >>>> >>>> All the listed steering committee members are Christian or >> Unitarian >>>> organizations, which for one of us (Aaron) is kind of a red flag. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, the list of pledge signatories seems to >> include >>>> more diverse religious organizations. In particular, it has a >> good >>>> number of Jewish organizations, including the national and Bay >> Area >>>> chapters of Jewish Voice for Peace. >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2 Jun 2025, Jake Watters via sudo-discuss wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Let's have a meeting this coming Wednesday, in two days! Last >>>> week just >>>>>> three or four of us got together and discussed things as can be >>>> seen in the >>>>>> meeting notes: >>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meetings >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's a proposed agenda: >>>>>> * catch up on new membership applications >>>>>> * continue talking about the process of sudoroom becoming its >>>> own 501(c)3 >>>>>> * the volunteer effort of updating our membership list >>>>>> * fundraising including reaching out to members who may have >>>> forgotten to >>>>>> pay dues >>>>>> * sudoroom signing the "Apartheid-Free Communities" pledge! See >>>> below for >>>>>> more info >>>>>> >>>>>> Lets say this Wednesday, 7:30PM? >>>>>> -jake >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: Lo via sudo-discuss sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> Date: Tue, May 27, 2025 at 7:37 PM >>>>>> Subject: [sudo-discuss] Proposal: SUDO room joins the Apartheid >>>> Free >>>>>> Communities Campaign >>>>>> To: sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Sudoroom members and leaders, >>>>>> >>>>>> For the past 2.5 years I’ve been a Sudoroom “member” (I >>>> say this in >>>>>> quotations because I’ve been paying dues and attending but >>>> have never been >>>>>> endorsed as a full fledged member), but I’d like to make a >>>> proposal that >>>>>> Sudoroom become an Apartheid Free Community! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am writing as a member of SURJ Bay Area’s Palestine >>>> Solidarity Campaign. >>>>>> As a racial justice organization, SURJ believes it is our moral >>>> obligation >>>>>> to demand an end to Israel’s system of apartheid, its >> genocide >>>> in Gaza, and >>>>>> its increasing violent seizure of land in the West Bank. All >>>> this is paid >>>>>> for by our tax dollars, with the U.S. directly funding the >>>> Israeli >>>>>> government to the tune of $35 billion a year. >>>>>> >>>>>> We invite Sudoroom to join us to support the Palestinian >>>> people’s human >>>>>> rights, lives, and lands by taking the pledge to become an >>>> Apartheid-Free >>>>>> Community. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apartheid is a crime against humanity. As defined by the United >>>> Nations >>>>>> https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/cspca/cspca.html, apartheid >>>> includes: >>>>>> >>>>>> • Acts such as murder, torture, inhuman treatment, and >>>> arbitrary arrest of >>>>>> members of a racial group >>>>>> >>>>>> • Deliberate imposition upon the subjugated racial group of >>>> living >>>>>> conditions calculated to cause its physical destruction >>>>>> >>>>>> • Legislative measures that discriminate in the political, >>>> social, >>>>>> economic, and cultural fields >>>>>> >>>>>> We could fill pages with examples of how Israel’s treatment >> of >>>> Palestinians >>>>>> meets this criteria—from arrests and imprisonment without >>>> charges to the >>>>>> destruction of Gaza by bombing homes, hospitals, and schools >> and >>>> cutting >>>>>> off food, water, electricity and medical supplies. Palestinians >>>> are >>>>>> subjected to entirely different laws and judicial systems, >>>> without freedom >>>>>> of movement and economic opportunities. >>>>>> >>>>>> Inspired by the anti-apartheid movement that helped topple the >>>> white >>>>>> supremacist regime in South Africa, the Apartheid-Free >>>> Communities Campaign >>>>>> is bringing communities together to end apartheid in >>>> Israel/Palestine. We >>>>>> encourage Sudoroom to join the over 500 organizations across >> the >>>> globe, >>>>>> including cities, schools, faith-based communities, labor >>>> unions, >>>>>> businesses, and organizations, in taking the pledge to become >> an >>>>>> Apartheid-Free Community. >>>>>> >>>>>> Signing the Pledge makes a difference! It reflects public >>>> support to our >>>>>> elected officials when we press them to divest from Israeli >>>> violence. It >>>>>> reduces harm to Palestinian and Arab members of our community. >>>> It >>>>>> challenges the official narratives and expands the public >>>> consciousness >>>>>> around Palestine. We ask that you sign this pledge, and take >>>> actions, in >>>>>> whatever way makes sense to Sudoroom, to be part of this >> effort. >>>>>> >>>>>> Be sure to let me know if you have any questions and how I can >>>> support your >>>>>> Sudoroom in signing the Pledge and joining this campaign. >>>>>> >>>>>> In Solidarity, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lo >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. We have materials including buttons, posters, and >> pamphlets >>>> you can >>>>>> use to increase awareness and build support. Plus the >>>> Apartheid-Free >>>>>> Communities website https://apartheid-free.org/about/ is full >> of >>>> great >>>>>> resources and educational materials. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Lo * >>>>>> Pronouns: She/They https://www.mypronouns.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no neutral body from which our bodies deviate. Society >>>> has >>>>>> written deep into each strand of tissue of every living person >>>> on earth. >>>>>> What it writes into the heart muscles of five star generals is >>>> distinct >>>>>> from what it writes in the pancreatic tissue and intestinal >>>> tracts of Black >>>>>> single mothers in Detroit, of Mexicana migrants in Fresno, but >>>> no body >>>>>> stands outside the consequences of injustice and inequality >>>>>> >>>>>> *― *Aurora Levins Morales >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>>> More options at >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>>> More options at >>>> >>> >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>>> More options at >>>> >>> >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>> More options at >>> >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at >> > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org > More options at > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ [View Less]

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