30 Sep
2013
30 Sep
'13
1:18 p.m.
I am hoping we continue to occupy the current location under more favorable terms. The
access to not only BART, but city government, assemblies, events, community is appealing.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note™, an AT&T LTE smartphone
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Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: The Omni
From: David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
To: "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org" <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org>
CC: Re: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: The Omni
Thanks Eddan for clarifying.
Im sad i missed the joint meeting with CCL re: moving in - we definitely need more
meatspace strategizing on making a 3-way move like that happen -
I'm really happy that marina and y'all are checking out the Omni and other
potential spaces - I'm going to start looking pretty hard and get BAPSers in on this
too - sounds like a guesstimated combo sudo/baps/ccl monthly budget would be ~$4500, does
that seem about right?
Re: SUDO moving into the Omni, it sounds super cool and personally I have no problem with
the location - but I do think if there are ppl living in the space, that might make it
challenging - conversely if there are lots of loud shows there, that might make having a
class tough? And more or less importantly.. are there windows in the Omni space? It's
be great if whatever space SUDO moved to had more natural light..
On Monday, September 30, 2013, Eddan Katz wrote:
Terminating the current lease means the latter, David. That is - at that point, a
new/better lease can be negotiated. Or not, if so decided.
While the details on what a co-op purchase would look like still have to be hammered out
in detail, it was my understanding from George that he was interested in an arrangement
that would include selling off equity in that portion. Different organizations would put
up money in their collective shares and that wing would be organized as a co-op with the
different organizational/individual owners taking part in the decision-making of managing
the building.
On Sep 30, 2013, at 12:05 PM, David Keenan wrote:
Hey guys,
Regarding leaving 2141 and scoping out new spaces..
I was hoping someone could fill me in on what is really meant by deciding we are
officially 'terminating the lease' in Dec. ?
Does it mean we are definitely out of 2141 come Jan., ie, we definitely dont want to stay
at 2141? Has that been decided?
Or, would we have the opportunity to negotiate a new/better lease if we did decide to keep
on at 2141?
Re: a co-op purchase of part of 2141, what are the brass tacks of that exactly? I..e, do
we have however many tens of thousands I imagine we would need for most mortgage
downpayments? Is there some angel investor here I dunno about?
Along the same lines what are our real-world options with respect buying the church, or
part of the Omni? Or are we just talking about renting part of the omni?
Personally, I'd prefer to move, but move with BAPS, SUDO, and CCL. It kind of seems
like maybe we should find a good place to move to, and understand what our combined budget
is. if SUDO moves out without BAPS that would suck for BAPS and also mean that SUDO would
probably get a smaller space than we would get if we combined forces, synchronized, and
all moved somewhere together (or mayber stayed at 2141 together, under more amenable
conditions). Staying together being the operative word to me here..
Best.
David
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:46 AM, David Rorex <drorex(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> wrote:
*Half the room will still be avavilable, and could be Sudo's for approx $2k/month.
How many square feet are we getting in exchange for that $2k?
*It is 10 minutes walk from McArthur BART
That's not too bad, obviously closer is better, and MacArthur is not a very safe area
at night, but it's oakland, what are you gonna do
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Tracy Jacobs <kinetical(a)comcast.net> wrote:
You do realize that's very close to Ace Monster Toys? If Sudo room moves up to the
Berkeley Border, it would make sense to join with Ace Monster Toys. Also, in my opinion
that is way too far from Bart, and way too far from where I live, so I would probably not
ever go there.
Sounds like an interesting space though, and that is a better neighborhood than where AMT
is now. Maybe they would be interested in this space?
Tracy
It's 1.4 mi away, which is relatively close, though not a super convenient walking
distance. However they are looking for bigger cheaper spaces (minimum 3000 sq ft, and at
most $1/sqft), so I'm not sure this would work. Also they have a requirement that
anything over 2500sqft MUST have overhead sprinklers. That combined with the noise
constraints might be an issue, since AMT has lots of big noisy toys (large CNC router
tables, laser cutters, power saws, etc)
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30 Sep
1:35 p.m.
New subject: Fwd: The Omni
While I am not opposed to the idea of staying at 2141, I think it's a great
for us to take a look at what's out there and, at the very least, explore
the possibility of moving somewhere that's better suited to our collective
projects.
To be honest, the thought of becoming any more entangled with George (ie:
the co-op scenario) sounds like a real nightmare.
It would be great if we could compile a list of needs, etc. in order to
guide us in the search for potential new spaces that are a good fit for
everyone. Has something like this already been started?
N
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Liberty Madison
<libertymadison(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I am hoping we continue to occupy the current location
under more
favorable terms. The access to not only BART, but city government,
assemblies, events, community is appealing.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note™, an AT&T LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: The Omni
From: David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
To: "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org" <sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org>
CC: Re: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: The Omni
Thanks Eddan for clarifying.
Im sad i missed the joint meeting with CCL re: moving in - we definitely
need more meatspace strategizing on making a 3-way move like that happen -
I'm really happy that marina and y'all are checking out the Omni and other
potential spaces - I'm going to start looking pretty hard and get BAPSers
in on this too - sounds like a guesstimated combo
sudo/baps/ccl monthly budget would be ~$4500, does that seem about right?
Re: SUDO moving into the Omni, it sounds super cool and personally I have
no problem with the location - but I do think if there are ppl living in
the space, that might make it challenging - conversely if there are lots of
loud shows there, that might make having a class tough? And more or
less importantly.. are there windows in the Omni space? It's be great if
whatever space SUDO moved to had more natural light..
On Monday, September 30, 2013, Eddan Katz wrote:
Terminating the current lease means the latter,
David. That is - at that
point, a new/better lease can be negotiated. Or not, if so decided.
While the details on what a co-op purchase would look like still have to
be hammered out in detail, it was my understanding from George that he was
interested in an arrangement that would include selling off equity in that
portion. Different organizations would put up money in their collective
shares and that wing would be organized as a co-op with the different
organizational/individual owners taking part in the decision-making of
managing the building.
On Sep 30, 2013, at 12:05 PM, David Keenan wrote:
Hey guys,
Regarding leaving 2141 and scoping out new spaces..
I was hoping someone could fill me in on what is really meant by deciding
we are officially 'terminating the lease' in Dec. ?
Does it mean we are definitely out of 2141 come Jan., ie, we definitely
dont want to stay at 2141? Has that been decided?
Or, would we have the opportunity to negotiate a new/better lease if we
did decide to keep on at 2141?
Re: a co-op purchase of part of 2141, what are the brass tacks of that
exactly? I..e, do we have however many tens of thousands I imagine we would
need for most mortgage downpayments? Is there some angel investor here I
dunno about?
Along the same lines what are our real-world options with respect buying
the church, or part of the Omni? Or are we just talking about renting part
of the omni?
Personally, I'd prefer to move, but move with BAPS, SUDO, and CCL. It
kind of seems like maybe we should find a good place to move to, and
understand what our combined budget is. if SUDO moves out without BAPS that
would suck for BAPS and also mean that SUDO would probably get a smaller
space than we would get if we combined forces, synchronized, and all moved
somewhere together (or mayber stayed at 2141 together, under more amenable
conditions). Staying together being the operative word to me here..
Best.
David
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:46 AM, David Rorex <drorex(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
*Half the room will still be avavilable, and could be Sudo's for approx
$2k/month.
How many square feet are we getting in exchange for that $2k?
*It is 10 minutes walk from McArthur BART
That's not too bad, obviously closer is better, and MacArthur is not a
very safe area at night, but it's oakland, what are you gonna do
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Tracy Jacobs <kinetical(a)comcast.net>
wrote:
You do realize that's very close to Ace Monster Toys? If Sudo room moves
up to the Berkeley Border, it would make sense to join with Ace Monster
Toys. Also, in my opinion that is way too far from Bart, and way too far
from where I live, so I would probably not ever go there.
Sounds like an interesting space though, and that is a better
neighborhood than where AMT is now. Maybe they would be interested in this
space?
Tracy
It's 1.4 mi away, which is relatively close, though not a super
convenient walking distance. However they are looking for bigger cheaper
spaces (minimum 3000 sq ft, and at most $1/sqft), so I'm not sure this
would work. Also they have a requirement that anything over 2500sqft MUST
have overhead sprinklers. That combined with the noise constraints might be
an issue, since AMT has lots of big noisy toys (large CNC router tables,
laser cutters, power saws, etc)
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1:45 p.m.
New subject: Fwd: The Omni
To be honest, I don't see the rush in finding a new spot.
People spend years house hunting for the 'right family home', and
although this is not exactly the same thing as a family home- I feel
like it follows the same concept. Find the RIGHT place instead of
rushing to another place. What if we jumped to find a new spot and its
not even as good as the spot Sudoroom is in now.
Also, counter-culture labs just moved in to bootstrap. I think its good
to wait and feel out the co-op dynamic before jumping the gun.
Therefore I think it would be good to wait on moving because:
1) search thoroughly to find the BEST place for sudoroom to move to
2) stay to support CCL in its development phase
3) stay because the public school likes the location that it is in
right now.
-Louie
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louis.huang(a)aegia.nu
On 2013-09-30 15:35, niki wrote:
While I am not opposed to the idea of staying at 2141,
I think it's a
great for us to take a look at what's out there and, at the very
least, explore the possibility of moving somewhere that's better
suited to our collective projects.
To be honest, the thought of becoming any more entangled with George
(ie: the co-op scenario) sounds like a real nightmare.
It would be great if we could compile a list of needs, etc. in order
to guide us in the search for potential new spaces that are a good fit
for everyone. Has something like this already been started?
N
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Liberty Madison
<libertymadison(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I am hoping we continue to occupy the current
location under more
favorable terms. The access to not only BART, but city government,
assemblies, events, community is appealing.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note™, an AT&T LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: The Omni
From: David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com>
To: "sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org"
<sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org>
CC: Re: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: The Omni
Thanks Eddan for clarifying.
Im sad i missed the joint meeting with CCL re: moving in - we
definitely need more meatspace strategizing on making a 3-way move
like that happen -
I'm really happy that marina and y'all are checking out the Omni and
other potential spaces - I'm going to start looking pretty hard and
get BAPSers in on this too - sounds like a guesstimated combo
sudo/baps/ccl monthly budget would be ~$4500, does that seem
about right?
Re: SUDO moving into the Omni, it sounds super cool and personally I
have no problem with the location - but I do think if there are ppl
living in the space, that might make it challenging - conversely if
there are lots of loud shows there, that might make having a
class tough? And more or less importantly.. are there windows in the
Omni space? It's be great if whatever space SUDO moved to had more
natural light..
On Monday, September 30, 2013, Eddan Katz wrote:
Links:
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http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss Terminating the current lease means the latter,
David. That is - at
that point, a new/better lease can be negotiated. Or not, if so
decided.
While the details on what a co-op purchase would look like still
have to be hammered out in detail, it was my understanding from
George that he was interested in an arrangement that would include
selling off equity in that portion. Different organizations would put
up money in their collective shares and that wing would be organized
as a co-op with the different organizational/individual owners taking
part in the decision-making of managing the building.
On Sep 30, 2013, at 12:05 PM, David Keenan wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> Regarding leaving 2141 and scoping out new spaces..
>
> I was hoping someone could fill me in on what is really meant by
> deciding we are officially 'terminating the lease' in Dec. ?
>
> Does it mean we are definitely out of 2141 come Jan., ie, we
> definitely dont want to stay at 2141? Has that been decided?
>
> Or, would we have the opportunity to negotiate a new/better lease
> if we did decide to keep on at 2141?
>
> Re: a co-op purchase of part of 2141, what are the brass tacks of
> that exactly? I..e, do we have however many tens of thousands I
> imagine we would need for most mortgage downpayments? Is there some
> angel investor here I dunno about?
>
> Along the same lines what are our real-world options with respect
> buying the church, or part of the Omni? Or are we just talking about
> renting part of the omni?
>
> Personally, I'd prefer to move, but move with BAPS, SUDO, and CCL.
> It kind of seems like maybe we should find a good place to move to,
> and understand what our combined budget is. if SUDO moves out
> without BAPS that would suck for BAPS and also mean that SUDO would
> probably get a smaller space than we would get if we combined
> forces, synchronized, and all moved somewhere together (or mayber
> stayed at 2141 together, under more amenable conditions). Staying
> together being the operative word to me here..
>
> Best.
> David
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:46 AM, David Rorex <drorex(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Marina Kukso
>> <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *Half the room will still be avavilable, and could be Sudo's for
>>> approx $2k/month.
>>
>> How many square feet are we getting in exchange for that $2k?
>>
>>
>>
>>> *It is 10 minutes walk from McArthur BART
>>
>> That's not too bad, obviously closer is better, and MacArthur is
>> not a very safe area at night, but it's oakland, what are you gonna
>> do
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Tracy
>> Jacobs <kinetical(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> You do realize that's very close to Ace Monster Toys? If Sudo
>> room
>>
>>> y too far from where I live, so I would probably not ever go
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Sounds like an interesting space though, and that is a better
>>> neighborhood than where AMT is now. Maybe they would be
>>> interested in this space?
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>> It's 1.4 mi away, which is relatively close, though not a super
>>> convenient walking distance. However they are looking for bigger
>>> cheaper spaces (minimum 3000 sq ft, and at most $1/sqft), so I'm
>>> not sure this
>> Also they have a requirement that anything over 2500sqft MUST have
>> overhead sprinklers. That combined with the noise constraints might
>> be an issue, since AMT has lots of big noisy toys (large CNC router
>> tables, laser cutters, power saws, etc)
>> _______________________________________________
>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>> [1]
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