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Re: [sudo-discuss] Today 4/4/15: Pidgen and Daren have been temp banned for safer spaces policy violations

by Rachel Wolfsohn

This is very important to me, because I said I wouldn't keep including sudo discuss, and now i'm going back on that but WildCat does keep including sudo-discuss, so I feel like I can't leave it at some long email to one side bias, whether mine or not so I'm responding to sudo discuss to be heard by the group who is already hearing this sigh, i'm sorry, but I'm upset now.... *People NEED to be given a chance to change. * *Just because you knew someone for a long time and saw problematic behavior before doesn't mean they can't come to a new place, * *and a reformed community, * *where they can try to learn and grow. * *If people are not given a chance to grow what would you do with them?* * If you don't believe people can change, you don't believe in RJ or TJ, * *and I would LOVE to hear your alternative* *to my eyes the only other options are punishment or annihilation, like the state does,* * if you're really radical, you'll seek alternative forms of resolution* * besides exile, punishment and "training" people, * *whenever possible. * *NOT ONCE have I seen you actually pursue mediation. * *IN FACT WildCAt is currently refusing to participate in more than one mediation, * *and while in some cases i actually agree with that other person being banned, and see the issues clear* * my problem wtih this is not about that person being banned,* * I often think WildCat is right,* * but it's about THE PROCESS AND RESPECTING IT* *You Still Have To Go To Mediation * *In Some Case In Your Life, * *If You Recognize The Process At All* *If You're Willing To Work On It, * *The Refusal Of Mediation Is There To Keep People Safe* * In Dire Circumstances * *Not In Any Case You Want* * And Every Case All The Time* * Because You Feel Like It And It's Your Privilege* *I don't feel like you're respecting that process....* PERSONALLY I feel: Exile is not a real option for the world. If someone is continuously exiled and not educated and transforming, they will have no where else to go. This is part of the world, you can't just close yourself off from it and ignore people *If you want it to get better, really get better, judging people and pushing them out is not the way to actually help it* *What would you do with them? * *Put them all in one country? * *Kind of like a concentration of them?* * Like a camp? Kill them all off? **All bad ideas. * *We need to help people grow, and * *if you consider yourself an organizer * *or a helper of the world* * it IS your job to help people grow a* *nd give people another chance, * *provided they seek new conditions that will faciiltate growth* *It has to come from them. Yes.* *And it is coming from Darin, * *however slowly he's learning* Btw "WildCat" You are not yet a member of sudo yet. And you're scaring people, with all your bans in a row all of a sudden, now that you think you have power *i'm not quitting, but this email put me back over, i'm taking another break.* On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Cere Misc <cere.misc(a)gmail.com> wrote: > PLEASE TAKE THIS OFF THE SUDO-DISCUSS LIST! > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:32 AM, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Also with that one month ban I feel that from then on there would need to >> be zero tolerance for any of these behaviors to continue. Last time I saw >> him he challenged me to a fight by saying " do you want to walk a couple of >> blocks away and handle this like an adult" and my response was to walk >> away.. someone brought up to me that I was causing drama by drawing the >> line with these people but what folks need to understand is that each of >> these people have been going through conflict mediation in this space so >> the drama is theirs not mine. I should not be the one to blame for the >> taking a stance against the problems these people are causing. Though to be >> accountable in dealing with peoples issues I will gather more members of >> the space to address them. >> >> >> On Monday, April 6, 2015, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So I have known Darin for years and he has been called out for all of >>> this behavior before and still hasn't learned. In terms of him misgendering >>> me it seemed malicious because he accentuated " man" there were several >>> witnesses to his extremely aggressive behavior that was a defensive >>> response to me calmly asking why he was yelling at Babs. sexual harassment >>> is not OK. I don't think you can speak for the other people who have called >>> him out for inappropriate flirting. I had the conflict mediated by Joe but >>> but still just acts the same to different people. I would propose a month >>> ban at least so he gets that its not being accountable will have serious >>> consequences. >>> >>> On Sunday, April 5, 2015, Rachel Wolfsohn <rawjnana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This is the last email I will include sudodisxuss on for this thread... >>>> >>>> Darin is currently undergoing mediation, and should be given the chance >>>> to do so before a ban goes through. >>>> >>>> I have a blocking concern for such a ban on darin.... >>>> >>>> My belief that darin can change enough, however slowly, is justified >>>> and potent. >>>> >>>> I have seen he already has. In front of me at least, he no longer >>>> misgenders anyone, including those ppl he previously had, after we >>>> discussed it one night. Even if he's pissed at them. An immediate >>>> improvement from the heart and higher self layered under psychic shit like >>>> we all have to deal with just like him, is what I see...He is actively >>>> working, works hard in general and physically protects ppl from harassment >>>> daily. >>>> >>>> Misgendering: >>>> I too have been editing "he" for "them" with you Wildcat, because your >>>> gender pronoun is recent news to me as well as to many others. >>>> I strive to use They, bc of respect for trans identity in general, and >>>> ALSO camaraderie with you. >>>> But it takes a little time, and it is in good faith with continuous >>>> editing on my part, as it is for others. >>>> I'm really sorry you are hurt by misgendering and will do my best to >>>> correct the instances I witness. As I'm sure Darin will too, now that this >>>> information is available >>>> >>>> Sexual Language: >>>> Darin is working on this too. I have twice hung out with darin and >>>> neded to comment on his comments, asking him to hold his tongue, bc it was >>>> TMI about his sexual thoughts. >>>> It was not safe space language, and I asked him to.hold his tongue, but >>>> not an implication of action either, more like expression. >>>> Without FAIL he immediately apologizes and aims to hold back such >>>> comments. He is actively learning what to reserve to his private thoughts >>>> and I appreciate it from the bottom of my heart... >>>> >>>> Thus, I have a blocking.concern for this ban suggested for Darin >>>> >>>> Love, seriously, love, >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Torrie Fischer < >>>> tdfischer(a)hackerbots.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Theres community issues, then theres "issues that involve the hundreds >>>> of >>>> people subscribed to sudo-discuss". >>>> >>>> This is not one of those issues. I have no involvement with this. I >>>> don't want >>>> to get involved with this. I'd honestly rather not hear about who is >>>> fighting >>>> who, or see people tearing down each other in public. I'd rather just >>>> hack a >>>> thing and assume that Sudo Room is a happy cheery place that has their >>>> shit >>>> together and everyone gets along. >>>> >>>> My Ƀ0.02. >>>> >>>> On Saturday, April 04, 2015 03:37:39 PM WIld Cat wrote: >>>> > These are community issues not personal issues. >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Tracy Jacobs <kinetical(a)comcast.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > Sudoers, >>>> > > >>>> > > Respectfully can I suggest that you find another way to address >>>> issues of >>>> > > a personal nature and character assassinations or public shaming >>>> other >>>> > > than >>>> > > this public mailing list? Why anyone would want to go to Sudo room >>>> after >>>> > > reading this mailing list is beyond my comprehension. And it >>>> really is a >>>> > > great place. Can anyone think of another venue for these types of >>>> > > discussions? >>>> > > >>>> > > Tracy >>>> > > On Apr 4, 2015, at 2:41 PM, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > Daren returned to the space about 20 mins after trying to re-enter >>>> and >>>> > > said to me " Do you want to go a couplwe blocks away from here and >>>> handle >>>> > > this like an adult." >>>> > > >>>> > > Pidgen is claiming that I threatened her and I did tell her that >>>> "you need >>>> > > to chill out or some shit is going to happen" but I also clarified >>>> by >>>> > > saying "I am not threatening you with any form of violence." >>>> > > >>>> > > Darin is claiming that Babs sexually assaulted someone but Darin >>>> did not >>>> > > give any details of what happened. >>>> > > >>>> > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:00 PM, WIld Cat < >>>> wildcatofthewoods(a)gmail.com> >>>> > > >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > >> Today Pidgen was asked to leave in violation of the safer spaces >>>> policy >>>> > >> on an admitted account of sexual assault in the past as well as >>>> recent >>>> > >> behaviors of harassment. Daren was asked to leave in violation of >>>> the >>>> > >> safer >>>> > >> spaces policy by aggressive behavior (aggressive swearing, >>>> intentional >>>> > >> misgendering, inappropriate sexual comments (Told me in an >>>> aggressive way >>>> > >> that he liked phone sex, than began to yell at me.) He has had a >>>> history >>>> > >> of >>>> > >> being banned from spaces for similar behaviors of sexual >>>> harassment and >>>> > >> inappropriate behavior. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> I would like to begin a mediation process for Daren and I do not >>>> feel >>>> > >> safe with him being in the space during such process. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> To my knowledge there is an ongoing mediation between Pidgen and >>>> Centi. >>>> > >> that Pidgen has allegedly violated due to harassing behavior. >>>> Pidgen has >>>> > >> been banned from several other radical spaces for entitlement >>>> problems - >>>> > >> theft - aggressive behaivor - accountability issues. >>>> > >> I do not feel safe in the presences of Pidgen and would call on the >>>> > >> community to permanently ban Pidgen. >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> > > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> > > https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> > -- <3 Rachel

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Portland hackerspace?

by Candace Lazarou

Visiting Portland next week - does anyone know about the hackerspaces up there and where I should/can go to work on computer based projects?

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Fwd: [omni-helpdesk] Equipment donations

by niki

Maybe you wants? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Pons Maar <ponzzz(a)sonic.net> Date: Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:35 AM Subject: [omni-helpdesk] Equipment donations To: info(a)omnicommons.org I have a 13” sony broadcast monitor (CRT not flat screen) and 2 SATA hard drives, LaCie brand 400G each, I am looking to give away. Everything is well maintained and works. Would you have any use for these items? If so I can bring them by. Thanks, Pons Maar _______________________________________________ helpdesk mailing list helpdesk(a)lists.omnicommons.org https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/helpdesk

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Today 4/4/15: Pidgen and Daren have been temp banned for safer spaces policy violations

by WIld Cat

Today Pidgen was asked to leave in violation of the safer spaces policy on an admitted account of sexual assault in the past as well as recent behaviors of harassment. Daren was asked to leave in violation of the safer spaces policy by aggressive behavior (aggressive swearing, intentional misgendering, inappropriate sexual comments (Told me in an aggressive way that he liked phone sex, than began to yell at me.) He has had a history of being banned from spaces for similar behaviors of sexual harassment and inappropriate behavior. I would like to begin a mediation process for Daren and I do not feel safe with him being in the space during such process. To my knowledge there is an ongoing mediation between Pidgen and Centi. that Pidgen has allegedly violated due to harassing behavior. Pidgen has been banned from several other radical spaces for entitlement problems - theft - aggressive behaivor - accountability issues. I do not feel safe in the presences of Pidgen and would call on the community to permanently ban Pidgen.

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April invoices !

by Sarah Pritchard

Hi friends, Hopefully some of you have received invoices for April rent and March shared expenses at the Omni. You may have noticed that we've switched our invoicing software over to Quickbooks. Their credit card processing fees are much lower than Wave's (our previous software), so we're able to save the Omni a little bit of $$. Yay! If you haven't yet received your rent and shared expense invoices, check your spam folders! I noticed that emails from Quickbooks get delivered to the "promotions" tab on my gmail account. You should still be able to pay your invoices with a credit card, but let me know if you have any trouble. This is the first round of invoices we've sent using Quickbooks so there may be a few glitches to work out. Please pay your invoices as soon as you're able and let the finances working group know if you will be late in paying them or if you have any questions. Thanks and <3, SP + Finances WG

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Re: [sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] 4/6 Dry walling

by Jenny Ryan

Thank you Joe for spearheading this important work! I'll be over in the early afternoon to help and will try to convince a friend to join me :) Cc'ing sudo-discuss. On Apr 5, 2015 4:00 PM, "joseph liesner" <blue393(a)lmi.net> wrote: > I don't see us as being ready to begin hanging dry wall on the > west end of the las Commune space. I have proposed that we > clear thespace on and surrounding that wall tomorrow 4/6. I > will have a small toyota pickup but need 2-3 workers. > Do I see a hand in the back there? > LMK > joe > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org > https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss > >

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donations

by Jake

yesterday i brought a bunch of stuff donated to sudoroom, including a really nice large workbench (blue, with a tool hanging rack, it only made it to La Commune so hopefully people can get it to sudo somehow...) there were three decent 64bit desktop computers, and also... a dot-matrix printer!!! a Panasonic KX-P1180: http://www.orgprint.com/imaged/O/OtODmJjWMS_9758_preview_465_240.jpg it's made for tractor-feed paper. they were using it to make wire labels, and i got some wire-label paper if we need that. But i think we should use it to print out THE IRC CHANNEL... LIVE or the TWITTER FEED... live. Since tractor-feed paper is a continuous feed, we can just print it like a continuous scroll, and always have a paper record. i dunno, maybe it's a dumb idea. maybe we should just trash it. does anyone have a box of tractor-feed paper? http://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/137608/115044349/stock… http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2013/07/tractor-feed-printer-66…

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Re: [sudo-discuss] International Space Apps Challenge @ Omni

by Ryan

I don't think I have the physical ability right now to facilitate the event, but I'd really like to see it happen. I'm adding in sudo discuss on this because there might be folks willing to do it! Sudoers! This hackathon needs someone to facilitate the weekend and it is a paying gig with training provided. If we'd like to have Oakland be a part of this global hackathon, we'll need to come up with someone to do so! On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Lisha Sterling <lisha(a)geekswobounds.org> wrote: > Hello all! > > As you've already heard, Lindsay has bowed out of facilitating the > International Space Apps Challenge because she's just gotten another job > and there are only so many things she can pile on top of herself (new move > to a new state, new job, other life stuff). > > I've been looking for another person to facilitate the event, considering > that we've already gotten you guys involved and I don't want to just leave > it to fall apart. So far, no one I've spoken to has been available. I was > hoping that someone in Sudoroom might be interested in running the event, > and Lindsay sent out an email to that effect, but no one responded. > > So, I'm VERY sorry to have to put this on you, but now we have to make a > decision. Do we go forward? Or do we cancel? > > If there is someone in the community who is willing to facilitate the > weekend, I'm willing to pay them for doing that. I'm also able to give > training, point the facilitator to videos, articles and other resources, > and generally support that person in feeling confident in running the > weekend. I simply can't do it myself, because I will be in Greensboro, NC > running the same event there. > > What say you, sudoers? Is there someone who would like to take the event > facilitation role on? Or shall we contact the global coordinators and > apologetically pull out of the event? > > > -- > Lisha Sterling > Executive Director, Geeks Without Bounds <http://geekswobounds.org/> > telephone: 425-610-8636 hangouts: lisha(a)gwob.org > schedule a meeting with me <http://doodle.com/lishevita> >

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by Rachel Wolfsohn

11 years

thank you xoxo

by David Keenan

Hello all you lovely humans, I hereby - Resign as board 'president' of Omni Oakland Commons. - Rescind entirely my various omni-related memberships to: Bay Area Public School, Sudo Room, and Black Hole Collective Lab. - Will unsubscribe from all omni-related mailing lists immediately following this email - I spent a substantial amount of of my life the last couple years working on, and getting other folks to believe in, this project. But as all things must end at some point, it is now time for me to bid thee all a fond farewell. I love you all, and give the greatest thanks imaginable to all the untold hours, days and years of work put into making this dream real. Nothing but love - good night David

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