From: refugia <refugia(a)zoho.com>
> The time you put into these emails are your own choice. The sudolist is much
> larger than sudo's membership. I'm not sure who either of you are. I don't
> see you at sudo. I don't sympathize with your or Sonya's perspectives but
> you are probably both well interventioned. Sniping on burner's cultural
> appropriate of indigenous culture is bit too easy and those types of
> discussions are best had in person if your intent is not malicious. People
> get defensive and close off if they think they are being called out as
> racist.
I disagree with a couple of your premises. I think naming cultural
appropriation is an important job to be done, even more important than
cleaning the toilets or emptying the trash bins. It's not easy, it's
hard. It's socially risky. And speaking our truths is so important, it
doesn't often feel like a simple choice.
> If your intent is to be politically correct in your speech don't use the
> terms hispanic or latino, especially when talking to strangers. In the
> liberal lexicon they are vague racial-cultural. Just say spanish speaking,
> if that's what you mean and won't confuse people further. People are
> confused on their own.
You know what else you probably shouldn't do when talking to strangers
you don't know? Lecturing them about THEIR identity politics.
Especially when they've made it pretty clear how they feel on the
subject, and asked not to be contacted off-list.
> The terms latino and hispanic are used to erase peoples indigenous identity.
> I think that sort language and the obfuscating conception of race are much
> more damaging than white people painting skeletons on their face or making
> altars. Call first nation peoples by their actual names. Don't lump them all
> together. It's a habit that americans should stop, especially if they regard
> themselves as some sort of radical.
>
> The holiday is a derivative of the Nahua holiday. Speaking spanish doesn't
> give one special dibs on venerating their dead. In Mexico it's been
> appropriated by mexicans broadly, by non-Nahuatl speaking indigenous
> peoples, mesitizos and white mexicans. In mexico it's a constructed national
> holiday (like american halloween) with a multitude of local variations. You
> don't get this sort of exclusionary discourse about who can participate in
> the holiday in Mexico but you do see criticism of Halloween elements being
> included in dia de los muertos. In the post-revolution era there was a
> campaign to invent a national identity in a huge and extremely diverse
> territory. The sugar skulls used in dias in other part of Abya Yala are
> post-colonial. Sugar aint from here:)
Patrick, I think of all the things in your email, this bothers me the
most. It seems like you're responding to an argument about power and
turning it into an argument about authenticity. Claiming a cultural
marker has very little to do with what is or isn't "pre-colonial" - it
has everything to do with the power relationships involved. The part
about sugar not being native to the Americas is especially
problematic, given the role sugar played in colonization, slavery,
genocide, and construction of the racial categories that still give
white people disproportionate wealth and power today.
> There are other related versions of the holiday not related to the Nahuah,
> Guede, Finados. All souls day is a european christian holiday which is part
> of many the of the modern syncretic versions of the holiday. Most
> traditional cultures on all continents have a similar holiday around this
> time year.
Misses the point. It's about power, not authenticity.
> What does it mean to establish consent with another culture, consent to
> participate in ceremony? There real tensions in between the ideas of the
> free culture movement and left wing attempts at non-colonial intercultural
> relations y understanding.
On that, we agree. There certainly are. Personally, I think it
illustrates the limits of "freedom" as a concept, which is one of the
many reasons I am not a liberal, a neoliberal or a libertarian.
> Anywhoo the only event happening at the omni is a Haitian dance performance.
> There was no proposal for the event at a sudo or omni meeting. It's not
> worth spending that much time writing emails.
*says it's not worth time writing emails*
*writes a long email*
Bringing this back to the list because, as per usual I do not enjoy being
contacted offlist and berated about my culture, or berated about white
people's entitlement to my culture.
This is a problem.
-hep
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm from the east coast, Philadelphia. Philadelphia is 45,45,10 black,
> white, Hispanic (mostly Puerto Rican) + Asian (Cambodian, Vietnamese,
> Filipino, Korean and Chinese). As you can maybe imagine, day of the dead is
> really not a thing in Philadlephia. When I lived there, I never went to a
> DD party, or even really had heard of it.
>
> Here, in the bay, the racial/ethnic distribution is way different. I never
> meet Puerto Ricans any more, and there are way fewer blacks. There are more
> Asians and Hispanics. Not only is the current Hispanic population here
> bigger, this area was settled by Spanish soldiers (unlike Philadelphia,
> settled by Dutch and English mostly. Also some Germans). The Spanish
> settler influence is all over - in names, in the types of old buildings.
> The white people I meet here are Way more likely to speak Spanish than the
> people I grew up with. the white people I meet here know more about Mexico
> and Central America than the ppl back east. The point is, California is a
> way more Hispanic part of the US overall than anywhere I lived before.
>
> Therefore, it is not surprising at all to see way more DD. Moreover, it
> doesn't seem strange to me that people who live near each other
> would celebrate the same holidays. The thing that makes many Hispanics
> celebrate day of the dead (seeing Hispanics celebrate day of the dead) also
> makes white people celebrate day of the dead.
> Put another way, is it weird to you how many atheists and non-Christians
> in America celebrate Christmas? Probably not - you can see that at on
> December 25th, Christmas is just the thing to do.
> When you see white people celebrating DD here, it's not because they want
> to steal your holiday, it's because your culture is pervasive here.
> Does that make sense?
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 24, 2014, Hep Svadja <hepkitten(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hi guys:
>>
>> a little bothered by the cultural appropriation of this event. as a Bay
>> Area Hispanic I find it quite strange when groups of mostly white people
>> with no ties to the actual culture of ddlm host events not in the actual
>> spirit of this extremely reverent Hispanic holiday. basically if you don't
>> build an ofrenda on your ancestors' graves every year i find it really
>> problematic to be jumping aboard this holiday as you are clearly not of
>> this culture. using it as an excuse for a dance party is even more
>> questionable as is encouraging people with no understanding of this
>> cultural holiday to dress up, which i understand is for the best of reasons
>> but also pretty exploitative of a culture you don't belong to. what is
>> wrong with just making this a Halloween party and not contributing to the
>> ongoing exploitation of local Hispanic communities of color?
>>
>> -hep
>>
>> * edited this to be less of a jerk.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:54 PM, yar <yardenack(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Lesley Bell <zvezdalune(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hello!
>>> >
>>> > The Omni needs funds. Dia de los Muertos is a thing. We would like to
>>> > introduce new people to the space and expand our community.
>>> >
>>> > I have attached a flyer for a possible event, a funky
>>> transhumanist/Dia de
>>> > los Muertos themed costume ball. Should this happen? Is there a reason
>>> > anyone would like to block?
>>> >
>>> > Also, steampunk zombies! Mechanical corpses! Post-singularity glittery
>>> > things covered in LEDs! Ordinary awesome humans!
>>>
>>> Looks fun! Right now the way to book events is:
>>>
>>> 1) check the calendar for conflicts:
>>> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Calendar
>>>
>>> 2) submit this form: bit.ly/omniballroom
>>>
>>> Full explanation and future changes to the process will go here:
>>> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/How_to_book_events
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sudo-discuss mailing list
>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org
>>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> HEPIC PHOTOGRAPHY
>> 415 867 9472 || http://hepic.net
>>
>
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HEPIC PHOTOGRAPHY
415 867 9472 || http://hepic.net
Yet another white person (assuming) steps forth to tell me how to display
and refer to my own culture.
Massively awkward when white people try and educate hispanic and/or latino
people on how to self-identify. Ironically I use hispanic and latino
because most white people don't understand what chicano means. Also as
someone who is 1/4 Jicarilla Apache, I also do not need a lesson on First
Nations identification either.
-Hep
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: refugia <refugia(a)zoho.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:57 PM
Subject: Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Dia de los Muertos fundraiser: is
happening?
To: hepkitten(a)gmail.com
The time you put into these emails are your own choice. The sudolist is
much larger than sudo's membership. I'm not sure who either of you are. I
don't see you at sudo. I don't sympathize with your or Sonya's perspectives
but you are probably both well interventioned. Sniping on burner's cultural
appropriate of indigenous culture is bit too easy and those types of
discussions are best had in person if your intent is not malicious. People
get defensive and close off if they think they are being called out as
racist.
If your intent is to be politically correct in your speech don't use the
terms hispanic or latino, especially when talking to strangers. In the
liberal lexicon they are vague racial-cultural. Just say spanish speaking,
if that's what you mean and won't confuse people further. People are
confused on their own.
The terms latino and hispanic are used to erase peoples indigenous
identity. I think that sort language and the obfuscating conception of race
are much more damaging than white people painting skeletons on their face
or making altars. Call first nation peoples by their actual names. Don't
lump them all together. It's a habit that americans should stop, especially
if they regard themselves as some sort of radical.
The holiday is a derivative of the Nahua holiday. Speaking spanish doesn't
give one special dibs on venerating their dead. In Mexico it's been
appropriated by mexicans broadly, by non-Nahuatl speaking indigenous
peoples, mesitizos and white mexicans. In mexico it's a constructed
national holiday (like american halloween) with a multitude of local
variations. You don't get this sort of exclusionary discourse about who can
participate in the holiday in Mexico but you do see criticism of Halloween
elements being included in dia de los muertos. In the post-revolution era
there was a campaign to invent a national identity in a huge and extremely
diverse territory. The sugar skulls used in dias in other part of Abya Yala
are post-colonial. Sugar aint from here:)
There are other related versions of the holiday not related to the Nahuah,
Guede, Finados. All souls day is a european christian holiday which is part
of many the of the modern syncretic versions of the holiday. Most
traditional cultures on all continents have a similar holiday around this
time year.
What does it mean to establish consent with another culture, consent to
participate in ceremony? There real tensions in between the ideas of the
free culture movement and left wing attempts at non-colonial intercultural
relations y understanding.
Anywhoo the only event happening at the omni is a Haitian dance
performance. There was no proposal for the event at a sudo or omni meeting.
It's not worth spending that much time writing emails.
Saludos,
Patrick
--
HEPIC PHOTOGRAPHY
415 867 9472 || http://hepic.net
This is a poll question the KTLA website seems to find interesting and/or
important. I've attached a screen grab, which includes their suggested
timelines. Internet anthropology!
Hello everyone,
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during its annual Fall fundraiser. They also like to use the opportunity to
highlight the organization or individual that the item comes from. Would
any of you be interested in contributing an item (3D-printed magnets?)
either for Sudo Room or for yourself?
Take care,
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Date: 2014-10-30 15:43 GMT-07:00
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Hi all,
Who will be the sudo room delegate tonight? It's not clear from the notes,
and it would appear that the items up for consensus at tonight's Omni
meeting were not discussed.
For future sudo meetings, please set aside some time each week to designate
the delegate and check the Omni delegates meeting pad, where items up for
consensus are listed: https://pad.riseup.net/p/omninom
All delegates should also join this (low-traffic) mailing list:
https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/consensus
Thanks and <3,
Jenny
http://jennyryan.nethttp://thepyre.orghttp://thevirtualcampfire.orghttp://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
A:"You're basically an executive"
M:"I wish employers would see it that way"
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014-10-27
==Attendees ==
* potential: Vicky, April, Yar, Whitney, Jenny, Anca, Matt, Hol, Julio,
Scott
* actual: julio, cere, anca, yar, hol, max, vicky, scott, brendan, april,
matt, marc
* official board members here: julio, hol, max, vicky, matt, anca, marc
* quorum: 7. JUST BARELY.
==Next Meeting==
* Next Year's Meeting will be on: 2015-10-20. October the twentieth in two
thousand fifteen in the year of our lord, common era.
* Max will schedule email
$ date -d 'Tuesday, October 20, 2015 7:00 PM PDT' +%s
1445392800
==501c3==
* Create an action plan and deadline to complete our 501(c)(3) application.
* Whitney, Vicky and April will bottom-line this. Julio is on stand-by.
* Since our 501(c)(3) form has not been completed, we need to fill out
state form 3500 to convince California not to levy state taxes for last
year (2013).
==State Tax things==
* Due Nov. 7.
* Matt, Julio and Hol will bottom line it and working on it tonight.
== CT1 ==
* did we file this last year?
== New Treasurer ==
Find a new Treasurer to replace Max.
General Responsibilities:
# be responsible for filing yearly taxes,
# deposit misc. funds into the bank account
# give out misc money that sudo room approves
# report to sudo room the state of finances.
Also, Fundraising:
* Additionally, since Sudo Room is once again receiving less income each
month than expenditure, a good Treasurer would have some fundraising ideas,
and/or want to execute other's ideas.
Who wants to do it?
* We're pretty sure treasurer is liable for all sudo's debts, and also
omni's debts since we're a signatory on the omni lease. But not 100% sure.
Also, people are saying if we get 501c3 that won't be an issue.
* Do we have a transparent sheet listing where all the money goes? Not
really but we can mine the meeting notes. It's pretty much just omni shared
expenses + internet.
* Anca's done stuff before. Mentions quickbooks.
* Matt points out membership roles: exchequer. separate from the
state-mandated role. they should be doing the work.
* To be very clear, our values don't call for a powerful treasurer
position. This is just something the state requires us to do. We will
absolutely limit their power and responsibility to that and only that.
* Vicky and Scott are both interested.
* Vicky wonders whether she's even a member anymore. But you don't have to
be a member to be on the board.
* lots and lots of debate over sudoroom's debt and hypothetical disaster
scenarios
* yet another tangent about dvorak keyboards
* shouldn't we figure out general board membership first?
* lots of confusion over our bylaws. we need to read them in full again.
they were just copied from noisebridge.
* you have to go to one meeting a year. that's really the bare minimum.
* apparently california also requires from a 501c3: president, secretary,
CEO, Treasurer and/or CFO
** http://www.nonprofitlawblog.com/treasurer-duties/
* marc is willing to do it
* unanimous vote of present board members, plus jenny remotely: Marc Juul
is our new treasurer, replacing Max Klein.
'''Voted 7-0 in favour of Making Marc Juul new Treasurer'''
== New People ==
Discuss refreshing the Board with a new set of members.
* Update Board page on the wiki: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Board
* who wants to be on the board this year? raise your hand: vicky, scott,
anca, julio, matt
* are we keeping the other folks?
* einstein could be chairdog
* last time everybody was nominated
* april wants to do it
* We'll put another round of nominations to the mailing list
==Address Change==
We have to notify California that our address has changed. We're no longer
at 2141 Broadway...
==Meeting Notes==
discussion about board members and role of the members. Who should be a
member?
==A third working group (Matt and Vicky and)==
Write a description fro board memebers
for treasurer,
then blast the list and announce for a timeline for nominating new board
members, and timeline for voting on them
then april will make an announcement at the general meeting this week
== outtake==
what was your favorite thing about this meeting?
* scott laughing at his jokes
* seeing all of you here!
* efficient. sudo meetings are getting shorter.
* low-key. and fixing my IDE.
* wine club. and everyone here.
* they already did everything when i got here
* chips & guac
* that we don't know what the hell we're doing
* the we accomplished our purpose - find a new treasurer
* that we had quorum, and that our next meeting is on Tuesday October 20th
2015
Make a great day,
Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:06:44 AM Jenny Ryan wrote:
> it would appear that the items up for consensus at tonight's Omni
> meeting were not discussed.
There's only one consensus item on the pad - to spend $1k of omni
money on ballroom soundproofing materials - and Sudoroom already
discussed it at last week's meeting (with unanimous yes).
Announcements:
* New Board nominations begin in 20 days
* Marc Juul is our new treasurer
* We are cleaning and organizing sudo RIGHT NOW - come and help!
* Film night tonight!
* What we want and don't want: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Donations
New Members
* For extended pondering: Claire - wants to run zine workshops! drawing,
crafts!
* For extended pondering: Trisha - also zines, excited about the sewing
machines :)
* Alex has been pondered, is now a member!
Money
* ~ $3700 in the bank, November rent and October shared expenses paid
($2340.86)
* Now making $570/week on Gratipay! New goal is $1K/week
Second Internet Line
* Jenny checking with Sonic.net about a second line
Backspace Proposal
Consensus on the backspace proposal:
- As long as this is a 3 month trial period we agree to the proposal,
with the following amendments:
- backspace does not take the downstairs room and pays $750 per month
instead.
- backspace has no special privilege over any other member collective
in accessing or regulating access to common space.
- In addition: sudo room feels that backspace, being a for-profit
renting private space, should be a tenant and not a member collective but
we can discuss this over the next three months.
Conflict Resolution
- Update on conflict with ban of person that Pigeon asked us to ban.
Referred to as J.
- Korl and Liz are finishing up an interview with one more person and
they are leaning toward proposing a lift of the provisional ban of J we
passed at a meeting earlier this month.
- Korl and Liz are very interested in preventing blind solidarity
(which seemed likely to occur unless someone spoke up),
especially without
having both sides of the story, and as much information as
possible. We are
also keen on working to help set a fair precident for situations
like this;
that both sides of a story/ incedent are sought out by an
objective party,
before Any decisions are made, to prevent social bias and blind
solidarity.
- Important aspects: None of the people involved in the conflict are
members of the Omni, and the conflict happened three years ago.
This issue
was brought up by a person who is not part of the Omni and has been known
to act untrustworthily and dishonestly, within the greater community.
- Juul proposes a 1 month ban of person who was using a knife to attempt
to open the omni door and when confronted was super rude, calling one of
our members a bitch. Person was drunk. Juul and others kicked this person
out yesterday and told him that him he was banned until it could be brought
up at todays meeting where he could show up. He looked disheveled and was
holding a can of beer but seemed otherwise reasonable and attempted to
defend his attempt at opening the door as trying to demonstrate a security
problem and said he wished to apologize to the person he was rude to.
- Remote-Jenny votes yes on ban.
- One abstention, rest approve. Passes.
- Need to take a picture.
- Proposal: Temporary Ban of Chris B (unspecified duration) for being in
"bad standing" with regard to sudo room's values, specifically in
disregarding the needs of the sudo room and omni communities with his use
of the space above the stage (aka "crow's nest" aka "man cave"), as well as
often attempting to sleep in the space, despite warnings, confrontations,
and a clear expectation of it not being permitted.
- During the BACH Unconference, Mitch Altman found Chris B sleeping
under a sign in the basement that read "No Sleeping".
- Amendment and consensus: Any further sleeping by ChrisB at Omni
will result in an immediate temporary ban.
Notes recorded for posterity at:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014-10-29
Jenny
http://jennyryan.nethttp://thepyre.orghttp://thevirtualcampfire.orghttp://technomadic.tumblr.com
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson
"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
-Hannah Arendt
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
The Sudo Room general membership is cordially invited to begin nominating
new Board Members 21 days from now. I will send a reminder. This
announcement is just a legal thing. Beep blop.
