Re: [sudo-discuss] my experiences with "crime" in oakland [part 1 of ?]

I don't think rhodey was trying to stir up controversy, he asked a valid question and I think I answered it to the best of my ability. If I offended anyone I apologize, but I don't see how I could have (assuming you're not an asshole). And...on that note I feel like I've shared everything I need to share here. -chrisbee On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Jeremy Entwistle <jwentwistle(a)cryptolab.net > As a warning, unless you're working on a project regarding > race/sex/gender, then I wouldn't discuss it here. In other activist spaces, > these discussions were used as a tool (by groups unknown to me) to label > the space as racist or sexist. If you're using any physical characteristics > to describe something negative about a person, then I'm going to take > offense to it. If you have a problem with something, use the name of that > person specifically for that particular instance. Otherwise, you're using > labels with no purpose except to associate negative ideas about a race, > sex, or gender. > > Jeremy > > > On 2013-11-19 14:11, Hol Gaskill wrote: > >> I hope no one is forming opinions on the whole of sudo room based on >> communications originating from specific people. If you look back on >> the archives, I think there are many personalities that are vocal on >> the sudo-discuss list - this does not translate into cultural >> influence, nor should it be construed as representative of the values >> anyone other than the person behind their own keyboard. I for one do >> not consider anyone a representative of my race, culture, social >> group, profession, or family and it is unfortunate that we have >> repeated probings asking for the same from a sudoer on the basis of >> race-based perspective. Anyways, I hope no one is confusing post >> volume on the list discussion with representation of sudo room values >> >> cheers, >> Hol >> >> >> Nov 19, 2013 02:00:31 PM, david(a)vergegraphics.com wrote: >> Thank you Rhodey - I appreciate the assist. >> >>> >>> So I guess that this is the famous "call-out culture" of Sudoroom in >>> effect? >>> >>> Sonja, I'll try to find some time to reply to this entire thread in a >>> bit (gainfully employed - none of that government money for me, thank you). >>> >>> >> >> I AM a black person, but I am most unfortunately not a statistician nor >>> a sociologist, nor have I conducted any studies - formal or informal - on >>> the correlation between property crime and race. If you're genuinely >>> curious about the data and not just making some ... point, there's always >>> Google. Or DuckDuckGo. Whatever. >>> >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, rhodey rhodey(a)anhonesteffort.org> >>>>> >>> >> >> Sonja, >>> >>> >> >>> If your question was not answered the first time please consider that >> >>> >>> the people may not want to answer. No one should be pressured into >> >>> >>> participating in a conversation, I for one am removing myself from whats >> >>> >>> become of this. If anyone would still like to contact me about any of >> >>> >>> the content I have put forth within this thread I ask that you please do >> >>> >>> so in person or in an off-list email. >> >>> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >>> -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙ >> >>> >>> >> >>> On 11/19/2013 01:03 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote: >> >>> >>> I still want to know whether David has any info/ insights on the >>> >>> relative vulnerability to mugging of white v black men. Or if anyone on >>> >>> here has any notion for vulnerability based on race. >>> >>> >>> >>> For me, I notice that walking around with a white man generates more >>> >>> threatening comments than if I was walking alone. That and also what >>> >>> reports from white men about being mugged and held up leads me to >>> >>> believe I would be more vulnerable to being mugged if I was a boy. >>> >>> >>> >>> Are there any black girls on the list that have a similar set of >>> >>> anecdotal datas? or black men walking alone v. walking w white men? >>> >>> >>> >>> I can't tell if there is no personal data, or what. Rhodey gave some. It >>> >>> confirmed the other data I had. Any more either way? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Chris Bee hotelcompany(a)gmail.com >>> >>> hotelcompany(a)gmail.com>>>> >>> >>> >>> I don't mind discussing this topic as long as it's constructive and >>> >>> keeps the finger pointing to a minimum. >>> >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately there's plenty of shitty people out there...or as my >>> >>> mom used to say, "asshole is a rainbow word." Honest and frank >>> >>> discussion about assholes is not a bad thing...categorizing or >>> >>> generalizing those assholes based on appearance or other factors is >>> >>> iffy and something I try to avoid. >>> >>> >>> >>> -chrisbee >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> >>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org> >>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >> >>> >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> >>> >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> > > -- > https://twitter.com/jwentwistle > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >