sudo-discuss January 2024

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by Romy Ilano

There are many who disagree with most of the Omni bans but we usually don’t have a voice because we don’t have time to sit through meetings and are just making stuff Could we call a quick counter ban meeting Thanks, Busy making and doing Sent from my iPhone

2 years, 1 month

hey sudoroom! let's dance together!

by Romy Mimi Ilano

https://www.dnalounge.com/calendar/2024/01-05d.html <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.dnalounge.com/calendar/2024/01-05d…> I'm turning 48 - you're all invited to hang out at goth event Dark Sparkle (it's only $5) at DNA Lounge Friday night! Hoping to introduce tons of SudoRoom and Noisebridge folks to each other and be way more social this year!!! I'm making a resolution to reach out to people more, socialize more with folks, connect people I know. I dunno why I haven't been doing it lately. it makes sense!!!!! Hope to see you there! *Romy Mimi Ilano* *romy.ilano(a)gmail.com <romy.ilano(a)gmail.com>*

2 years, 1 month

Updated invitation: Omni Commons Accountability Retreat *Reminder* @ Fri Jan 5, 2024 6pm - 9pm (PST) (sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org)

by Z Silver Zahn

This event has been updated Changed: title Omni Commons Accountability Retreat *Reminder* Friday Jan 5, 2024 ⋅ 6pm – 9pm Pacific Time - Los Angeles Join with Google Meet https://meet.google.com/ztn-tmqk-rpk?hs=224 A retreat organized for accountability & visioning.We are hosting a huge meeting again for all members and collectives to talk about what is not working and how we can move forward with making our decision of how we will move forward with our upcoming foreclosure. We can also move forward talking about our status of boycott and talking the harm we have caused and received at Omni Commons. The meeting can be hybrid but we encourage people to show up in person.https://meet.google.com/des-hkce-hof Dial in (audio only): ‪(US) +1 567-334-1148‬ PIN: ‪934 912 442#‬ Other numbers: https://tel.meet/des-hkce-hof?pin=5240178658114 Organizer Z Silver Zahn natashazahn27(a)gmail.com Guests Z Silver Zahn - organizer admin(a)sketchboardco.art jacqigalea(a)gmail.com consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org patrikd(a)gmail.com yardenack(a)gmail.com pgeplan(a)gmail.com maydayjt(a)riseup.net xuplankton(a)gmail.com ebfnb(a)lists.omnicommons.org epikurewicz(a)gmail.com sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org wevebeenwaitingforus(a)gmail.com pallavi.kidambi(a)gmail.com atallam(a)gmail.com admin(a)sketchboard.co lathag1350(a)gmail.com arg5029(a)gmail.com aidanhill(a)protonmail.com arnoldoga(a)gmail.com blue393(a)lmi.net cclarent4799(a)gmail.com daniel.g.tutt(a)gmail.com hefinkel(a)gmail.com jcocasiojr(a)gmail.com jharrison(a)thevillageoflove.com joshhubbard997(a)gmail.com junenelsonx(a)gmail.com lemmeeducateyou(a)gmail.com m.ni.sidach(a)gmail.com Nancy K qeazye(a)gmail.com rcm00189(a)gmail.com romy(a)snowyla.com ronwei(a)yahoo.com susansilber07(a)gmail.com theresa_halula(a)yahoo.com Tuan Nguyen guqinone(a)gmail.com View all guest info https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=NmIzdDgzMGQ5dHQ0… Reply for sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org and view more details https://calendar.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=NmIzdDgzMGQ5dHQ0… Your attendance is optional. ~~//~~ Invitation from Google Calendar: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this email because you are an attendee on the event. To stop receiving future updates for this event, decline this event. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to send a response to the organizer, be added to the guest list, invite others regardless of their own invitation status, or modify your RSVP. Learn more https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37135#forwarding

2 years, 1 month

Old crusty repo for a SudoRoom visual novel game

by Romy Ilano

This is an ancient repo about 11 years old. But why not resuscitate it? I moved it to the sudoroom github : https://github.com/sudoroom/SudoRoomRenPyGame Anyone willing to participate? ============================= Romy Ilano romy(a)snowyla.com

2 years, 1 month

meeting notes + other announcements

by Paige P

Hi Sudo Room, Here are the meeting notes from last night https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2024-01-03 A few things we forgot 1. We forgot to discuss the media lab proposal. Jake shared the email thread, but here is a direct link to their proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PT-IinygR9IsPa7GP-XbtZQwwAAdVt0suNMw0Om… There shouldnt be a vote today, but this delegates meeting is a time to ask questions and make comment or requests on it before voting the week after. If you have questions please forward them to Eric and/or me for the delegates meeting. 2. mentioned in notes but reminder there is an all hands meeting tomorrow https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread… 3. Also there is a maker fare at Omni on the 20th, Sudo room was asked to table! Theyre also taking calls for other people who want to table or perform: https://www.instagram.com/p/C1mCqsFrrmi/ Easy ideas I was thinking is showing off our modular and visual synths. Or running a fixit clinic in sudo at the same time? Please send ideas and availability to help at the event.

2 years, 1 month

Meeting tonight at 8 PM

by Andrew R Gross

Hey! Do we have a meeting tonight? I'm planning to come at 8 PM since this was when we've done them in the past. Is anyone else planning to be there? I'm going to repost a proposal I introduced in a separate email: " *I would like to submit a proposal: I think Sudo Room should hold elections for a "board of responsibility and limited power" in late February.* Our meetings are frequently long, disorganized, and acrimonious. We have no meaningful systems of accountability. We experience the same challenges with effectively organizing ourselves and finding consensus again and again and again. And I think in this context, we should go back to basics. Most organizations use variations on the same structures: a few people are selected by the collective to assume the primary responsibility for key functions like running meetings, maintaining infrastructure, providing a key contact for member concerns and arbitrating disputes and allegations of violations of a code of conduct. I think it's somewhat quixotic that we as a group persist in using unconventional tools that have consistently failed us (catastrophically, imo) in our attempts to execute Sudo Room's statement of purpose. I don't think we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm not proposing that we discard our ideals of horizontal power distribution. I think the elephant in the room is that we don't have a horizontal power structure. A few people hold the power to assert their will unilaterally, and most people only have enough power to derail a meeting, but not enough to bring it back on track. Perhaps if we rebuild trust and teach more people how to make themselves heard, a board will become unnecessary and we can effectively execute the vision that we're unsuccessfully trying to execute now. But I think it is long, long past time to actually make substantive changes to how we operate, and agreeing to have a consistent meeting chair and a membership coordinator, etc. selected by the collective sounds to me like simple common sense. *This proposal is now open for discussion at tomorrow's meeting (Weds. 1/3) and ongoing discussion and revision. If there is no block, it becomes eligible to be accepted at our February meeting on Weds. Feb. 7.* *"* *Andrew R Gross, (he/him)* 412.657.5332 - shrad.org <http://www.shrad.org>

2 years, 1 month

7PM 7PM sudoroom meeting tonight at 7PM

by Jake

Let's keep doing 7PM! There's still a lot to talk about around how to move forward. Please join! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 15:48:06 -0800 Subject: [sudo-discuss] 7PM 7PM important sudoroom meeting tonight at 7PM Yes let's go ahead and get started at 7PM instead of the usual time. Some of us meet in person and some join the meeting remotely through our Jitsi video link at this address: https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles -jake On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 15:29 Jemma Love via sudo-discuss < sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: > Thank you for setting up the meeting Jake, and thank you Paige for sharing > the information. > > I am open to both proposals, 50/50 or 100%, as it will save the community > building and keep it community owned. I also like what Paige is suggesting > with a facilitated visioning session. > > I will only be able to spend an hour or two at tonights meeting. I'm in > the middle of a larger art project outside of Omni and need to get some > more work completed tonight. > > All the best, > Jemma > > On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 3:16 PM Paige P via sudo-discuss < > sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: > >> Anyone else in favor of doing this earlier this week? Given how long >> theyve been going? Maybe 7PM? >> >> >> The proposal Jemma said they're in favor of is on this doc, it is the top >> proposal labeled "Peoples Programs proposal for partnership with Omni >> Commons" >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wDzotx3D07brWXLkylRlSb9r_alI8fqaBFUDxki… >> It gives 100% ownership to PP, with them keeping Omni tenants/collectives >> in the building at current rent. >> >> Also, this is another proposal Yar put out that is not yet on the doc, >> with 50-50 ownership and more detail on roles and responsibilities >> >> "I am leaning towards a 50-50 split with some strong guarantees to >> prevent either party from unilaterally selling out, or from doing >> excessively risky things that risk our zoning, assembly rights, use >> permits, etc. >> >> For day to day operations, I would suggest that people's programs gets >> full control of at least the ballroom and entrance hall, while delegates >> control the current collectives' spaces, with a plan to re-negotiate later. >> >> When new groups are recruited and added, those groups should be mutually >> agreeable to both parties, with a strong understanding that we prioritize >> black and indigenous led groups. New groups will also get represented with >> delegates to Omni Commons. This will preserve the delegate assembly as a >> voice for tenants and projects, as envisioned by the PP proposal. Over >> time, omni delegates should also become less white dominated, or even >> majority black, while still maintaining a balance against centralization by >> one single group. I think this long term plan would address lingering >> concerns on all sides. >> >> PP would get income from events. OC would get income from tenants. Both >> could apply for grants and fundraise. Most of this money would probably go >> towards repairs and upgrades over the next few years. Both orgs would need >> to agree on a general outline for how the money gets spent, but PP could be >> entrusted with most of the details. >> >> Of course, any individual omni members would also be encouraged to >> directly join PP as volunteers. We might also agree on a pathway for omni >> people to be entrusted with building-related projects without needing to be >> invited to join PP membership or cadres using their existing channels. >> >> We should have a facilitated visioning session, in which the focus is >> building our shared understanding of what kind of future we want together. >> To find the positive and generative things we have in common, and the >> things we imagine and dream of." >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 2:47 PM Jake via sudo-discuss < >> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote: >> >>> Note: see forwarded email below. >>> >>> Sudoroom should have a meeting tonight at 8PM, as we have been doing >>> recently >>> in these complicated times. Some of us meet in person and some join the >>> meeting remotely through our Jitsi video link at this address: >>> >>> https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles >>> >>> Since the below email was sent to the Consensus list (which is >>> subscription-only) I wanted to make sure sudoroom people could be aware >>> of it. >>> >>> Jemma can you please link us to the Peoples Programs proposal that >>> you're in >>> favor of? >>> >>> Also I want to clear up a misunderstanding. Silver did not start this >>> process >>> of Peoples Programs taking control of the Omni, that idea was brought up >>> by >>> Rafiq of CLP, at the same time as CLP was blocking Omni from allowing >>> TANC to >>> join as a member collective. I think it's clear that if TANC had been >>> allowed >>> to join Omni, we would have found a new lender by now and not been in >>> this >>> situation, especially if the boycott/embargo had not been introduced. >>> So in a >>> sense, CLP has forced us into this relationship which was their idea in >>> the >>> first place. >>> >>> I think it would be great if Peoples Programs wanted to run Omni in a >>> way that >>> was compatible with Sudoroom, but as much as I try to imagine that being >>> possible, I really don't believe it. I think we need to discuss the >>> possible >>> outcomes of the directions we're considering, and what we can do to >>> protect >>> our collective in case things don't turn out the way you are hoping they >>> will. >>> >>> -jake >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 12:03:50 -0800 >>> From: Jemma Love <codejems(a)gmail.com> >>> To: consensus <consensus(a)lists.omnicommons.org> >>> Subject: [omni-consensus] Reflections on a New Omni Commons >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I've been spending the last week reflecting on the conversations we've >>> been >>> having over the recent proposal brought to us from Peoples Programs. >>> First I >>> want to thank the many different voices which have given their time and >>> energy >>> into discussing the matters at hand, sharing their concerns and their >>> excitements about what this future could look like. I want to directly >>> thank a >>> few individuals who have helped to initiate this conversation and how >>> they >>> have added to our community space as a whole. >>> >>> I'd like to take a moment to thank Silver for their initiative in >>> starting the >>> work in community building and outreach with Peoples Programs, and from >>> what I >>> hear a lot of the initial work on getting this proposal started. As well, >>> because of Silver's recommendations we were able to bring in a few new >>> and >>> talented people into the paid structure of Omni Commons that have made >>> exceptional additions in making the community space more active. >>> >>> I want to thank Pallavi for coming in just after our last development and >>> grants fundraising person had left. Because of Pallavi's work in such a >>> short >>> time, just over a month, we have a proposal sitting in front of us today >>> that >>> allows for community ownership of the building, and not an anonymous >>> lender or >>> a bank. It is also my understanding that Pallavi has done a lot of work >>> in >>> making sure this proposal is as complete and thorough as can be and I >>> greatly >>> appreciate that work. >>> >>> When these discussions began I think I was coming at it from a place of >>> scarcity. Specifically, I was thinking how can we use our extremely >>> limited >>> resources to scrounge up some kind of way to save the building, what >>> options >>> are there for us to put things together, and if a new group like Peoples >>> Programs were to come in how could we even share the very limited space >>> and >>> resources that we have. I think I was wrong to come to these >>> conversations >>> within the mindset. After my reflections, I want to continue to move >>> forward >>> in an abundance mindset where I do my best to imagine what does the >>> future for >>> Omni potentially look like, including both the best and worst. I want to >>> think >>> of what liberation means for our community, and I want to reassess my >>> situation from an anti-racist perspective. >>> >>> In our last meeting Abbas mentioned an interview done by one of our >>> collectives, Liberated Lens. In that interview they review the process by >>> which the Holdout went through and how those spaces handled internal >>> issues. >>> Watching that part of the interview, I felt very much like I was looking >>> in a >>> mirror with Omni Commons, and it made me feel uncomfortable that we >>> could be >>> going down a similar path. I think there is room for me as an elected >>> leader >>> in our community as SudoRoom's delegate to help to navigate us away from >>> making those same mistakes, and it is for that reason that I do support >>> the >>> current proposal being brought to us from Peoples Programs. >>> >>>> From the Holdout to Quilombo and Afrikatown: an interview of Hannibal >>> Abdul Shakur. >>> Interview link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_STgWs6GlY >>> >>> In our last delegates meeting I heard many feelings shared with me about >>> how >>> things were discussed, especially how others saw comments directed >>> towards me. >>> I want to address that. I am a queer, kinky, neurodivergent little >>> queerdo. I >>> am an easy target if anyone wants to easily attack me as a person. In >>> that >>> same vein, I was never personally attacked by Abbas or any other member >>> of >>> Peoples Programs in any of our conversations last Thursday. What Abbas >>> and >>> others addressed when we were in that meeting were the matters at hand, >>> and >>> they did so directly and peacefully. I can understand why this may make >>> people >>> uncomfortable. Hearing positions that disagree and hearing them not said >>> in >>> the softest of ways can be hard, but at no point do I feel like Abbas was >>> unkind towards me. After the meeting we were able to shake hands, I >>> apologized >>> for my fumbles in my language and actions, and he openly invited me out >>> to >>> their event that night (I didn't make it as I stayed talking with folks >>> until >>> almost 1:30AM). To me, this shows a group leader who is walking the >>> walk, and >>> not just talking the talk. >>> >>> As it stands, our decision making structures within Omni and our ability >>> to >>> locate information are not working as effectively as they could be. Since >>> before the current proposal I have been making these complaints for >>> myself, >>> and as we started to really dig into this proposal I was truly worried I >>> would >>> not be able to continue my duties as a delegate, limited as they may be, >>> and >>> strongly considered stepping down. At this point, I'm glad I didn't. It >>> is >>> time something at Omni did begin to change so we can better address the >>> needs >>> of the community as a whole. >>> >>> There are still many conversations to be had with Peoples Programs. I >>> still >>> believe some comments were inappropriate in other meetings, and that >>> there may >>> be some difficult decisions coming where we disagree with each other, >>> but I >>> want those discussions to come from a place of understanding. I do not >>> want to >>> talk past one another and I want to bring in the healing that our >>> community as >>> a whole needs to make the next steps for a community owned New Omni >>> Commons. >>> >>> Once again, thank you everyone who has volunteered your time to talk >>> with me >>> and bring forward your thoughts and ideas. Let us continue these >>> conversations >>> with peace, love, and openness for us all and continue to push forward >>> for a >>> better and more liberated world. >>> >>> Much love and seasons greetings, >>> Jemma Love >>> SudoRoom Delegate >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >>> More options at >>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org >> More options at >> https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >> > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list -- sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org > To unsubscribe send an email to sudo-discuss-leave(a)sudoroom.org > More options at > https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/sudo-discuss.sudoroom.org/ >

2 years, 1 month

Stepping Down as Delegate

by Jemma Love

Hello all, Coming out of vacation I'm realizing I do not have the ability to perform delegate role and take care of myself. I will need to step down and I am happy to assist in any kind of transfer required. I'll be at the SudoRoom meeting tomorrow and I am happy to help answer any questions for anyone who is interested in taking on the role and I will aid in any kind of transfer to the best of my ability. I will also be attending the accountability meeting coming up this weekend and it would be great to have more sudoroom folks come out as well. Wishing you all the best, Jemma Love

2 years, 1 month

Hey can you guys see two t-shirts here?

by Romy Mimi Ilano

https://www.zazzle.com/collections/sudoroom_hackerspace_t_shirts-1197353909… *Romy Mimi Ilano* *romy.ilano(a)gmail.com <romy.ilano(a)gmail.com>*

2 years, 1 month

building to-dos

by Paige P

Hey, Im around most of today and free later this week if anyone can help me with some building todos. For sudo room, we need to rehang the tarp and funnel it into something. for the rest of the building, we have some fire inspection requests that we are chipping away at but could use help with and donations for materials. Whats left are hanging/wiring 1 more exit sign, making more legit looking or buying some "not an exit signs", putting stair grip tape on all stairs in omni, and repairing/remounting some doors. There is a detailed list I can share upon request. Thanks, Paige

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