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Consider washing any plates or utensils BEFORE & after using them

by Ed Biow

I understand the landlard entered the premises a couple of days ago and gave folks 5 minutes to evacuate before setting off several bug bombs. I'm pretty sure that kind of behavior is illegal without at least 24 hours notice. I haven't noticed much sign of non-landlord related vermin in the room, but I don't spend extended amounts of time at the space. When folks objected to this intrusion I understand that the landlord set off one or more foggers in a garbage can, which, of course, rather defeats the purpose, particularly since Elliot bravely (if perhaps foolishly) took the still fuming trash can outside, I hope he's OK. Anywho, I stopped by the room last night to drop off a bag of bread and hung around gabbing for 20-30 minutes and noticed that my exposed skin was burning & itching and my lungs felt weird. I think I suffered from contact dermatitis, I took a shower as soon as I got home and threw all of my clothes in the laundry hamper even though I'd only been wearing them for a week or two, but I'm still feeling a bit of intermittent tingling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fogger Personally, I suspect that a fair amount of the hoopla over exposure to household chemicals is overblown, even neurotic is some cases, but given the landlord's cavalier and abusive actions I surmise that he may have visited during the middle of the night and set off a large number of TRFs. Now I'm beginning to see why so many sudoers are agitating for a change of venue. Cue the music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDo_Ub-s9U So if this has not been done yet, I recommend that all utensils and plates get washed and all surfaces get wiped down with a damp cloth. http://insects.answers.com/pest-control/diy-pest-control-how-to-use-a-bug-b… Clean Surfaces to Remove Residue Upon returning to the area it is important to properly clean the pesticide residue from all major surfaces. Counter tops, especially those that encounter food, cookware, and/or dishes, should be wiped thoroughly with warm soapy water. Carpets and rugs should be vacuumed, as should any cloth furniture that was not covered prior to fogging the area. Bedcovers, pillows, and any clothing left out during the treatment should be washed with detergent and hot water. Wood and tile floors should be swept and mopped to prevent pesticide particles from being shuffled up into the air. In the meantime, I suggest not using utensils, cups, plates, etc. without giving them a rinse first. While we are on the subject of landlords, pests and food, I pick up a fair amount of bread and pizza every Friday night from a local collective to share with the community. If there are not a lot of demonstrations or picnics scheduled for the weekend I typically drop off some of this bounty at the sudoroom. Is this largess welcome? Does anyone have an opinion about how much I should deposit, say 1 bag of bread, 10 pizzas or some such number? The devil take all landlards (except me), Ed "Let's Lynch The Landlord" The Landlord's here to visit They're blasting disco down below Sez, "I'm doubling up the rent Cos the building's condemned You're gonna help me buy City Hall" But we can, you know we can Let's lynch the landlord man I tell them 'turn on the water' I tell 'em 'turn on the heat' Tells me 'All you ever do is complain' Then they search the place when I'm not here But we can, you know we can Let's lynch the landlord Let's lynch the landlord man There's rats chewin' up the kitchen Roaches up to my knees Turn the oven on, it smells like Dachau, yeah Til the rain pours thru the ceiling But we can, you know we can Let's lynch the landlord man

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Wow

by Romy Snowyla

The omni neighborhood is so bougie. I hope people aren't still worrying about crime. I'd be concerned about the opposite .. On a weekend it's like watching tech guys walk their trophy girlfriends around the marina. Lots of changes It's very pretty though . Maybe there's an incentive that sudoroom will keep the neighborhood rad .! Sent from my iPhone

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Fwd: Lease

by Matthew Senate

Hey all, I did not see this message in my inbox until now, apologies for the delay: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <Lscoop(a)comcast.net> Date: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 1:46 PM Subject: Lease To: Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com> Cc: Eddan Katz <eddan(a)eddan.com>, George <travology(a)mindspring.com> Hi Matt- I haven’t completed the lease—originally I was just waiting for your address so I can print it out but after spending some time there this week (George hurt his arm—you might have heard about that story), we will need to add some additional clauses to the lease before printing it out. Often when I walk in there—and worst of all yesterday, right after George de-bugged the place—I was shocked to find huge trays of food (enough to feed probably 30 people!) just laying out there in the warm air, clearly stale. This is totally inappropriate—and gross! The common area was set up to be a place where people could have meetings, occasional special gatherings and possibly an additional receptionist desk for each of the businesses there. It is clear that while it is being used in its current manner that there will be no possibility of us being able to attract other tenants into that space to share it with you, and we can’t afford to get only what you and the public school are paying for the space without any ability to rent out more. We know that people are still sleeping there—often they wake up in the middle of the night and walk out the front door, because clearly they don’t know the rules and they violate the code and we are getting called (of course, these are folks who don’t belong there and shouldn’t have codes….they should just not have been there in the first place!). We don’t even know whether the people sleeping there are your members or not, but the fact that there is nobody to shut up the space at night and kick out the stragglers still in there is clearly a big problem and we are losing more and more sleep because of it. This will need to change. We will either need to put a curfew on the use of the common area space except in the case of special events, or require that somebody in authority come once at the end of the evening and shut the place up and make sure that everybody is out of there, doors locked, and the elevator shut on the top floor so that others (including those in 2141 corridor that seem to gravitate there) won’t have access to it. Even with your insurance, the liability issues are getting greater all the time based on the problem of the space being kept open and people who shouldn’t be in there hanging around throughout the night.. We are going to have to make clear in the lease, once and for all, that the common area is NOT a living room! It is not a place to put out food unless a special event is going on. A point was made to George about giving 24 hour notice before spraying again, and I will try to have him adhere to that in the future, but the point is that he shouldn’t HAVE to be doing that to begin with! Matt, you have always been quite reasonable and easy to deal with, but you have a life and can’t be there 24 hours a day, so we’ll have to put our heads together and come up with some additional solutions to make things work for everybody up there. Please let me know how you feel about this, and what steps we can take to move forward. Thanks- Laurie

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Re: [sudo-discuss] Checkbook missing, last seen at sudo meeting on weds

by Matthew Senate

Unable to find the book, I've issued a "stop payment" on the last two checks it contained. Everything is swell, our account is at: $10,472.40 // Matt On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:19 PM, mattsenate(a)gmail.com <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I'm cancelling them at the bank unless they turn up by the time I finish > looking through the recycling bin. > > // Matt > >

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Temescal Library Oakland Wiki Edit Party Tmrw 4/19 2-5PM

by Marina Kukso

Hi everyone, Come hang out with us tomorrow 4/19 from 2-5PM for an Oakland Wiki Edit Party <http://oaklandwiki.org/Oakland_Wiki_Events> at the Temescal Library<http://oaklandwiki.org/Temescal_Branch_Library> . It'll be an informal event where we'll be in a space set aside by the librarians for us edit content together, chat, etc. If you've never done this before or are unsure of what to do, volunteers will be on hand to help. If you can't make it tomorrow, we're having another Edit Part next weekend at the Chavez Branch<http://oaklandwiki.org/C%C3%A9sar_E._Ch%C3%A1vez_Branch_Library> . Details about both events are at http://oaklandwiki.org/Oakland_Wiki_Events Best, Marina

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Checkbook missing, last seen at sudo meeting on weds

by mattsenate＠gmail.com

I'm cancelling them at the bank unless they turn up by the time I finish looking through the recycling bin. // Matt

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a graphic novel about net neutrality - call for authors/illustrators

by Danny Spitzberg

https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/submissions/visualizing-net-ne… Pass it along! Hi, Romy!

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Cryptoparty this Sunday: Special Journalist's Edition

by Jenny Ryan

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Join us at sudo room this Sunday from 2-5pm for a cryptoparty - journalist edition. We'll overview tools for preserving anonymity, and demoing open source whistleblower tools such as SecureDrop. We'll also be going over the usual subjects, such as PGP email encryption, hard drive encryption ans mobile security. Learn more and view the soon-to-be-posted schedule here: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Cryptoparty Cheers, Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://sudomesh.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." - -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." - -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create." - -Stéphane Mallarmé ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTUPTnAAoJEHTWWpBUSeDhpyUH+gN5PMZrYVBt4waZaFt9IQKP n/pCRPjmCdBHlzhaJ0ooTGTTMv5wiV5xgbmSjfopiSlTO7IFt/8KWJOnX+kgWzBd 1yQ6Jtl3G4Tz+oHvmO8tNPOqjxZqa7giOV2tuLv7VGQBiOHfPdgFjzWG0+078+Z/ wFeECerZW6NwuoubST+SoCYJD7xipmoDApeW+tasA2HL7J8mAlMTOOCsVVJsnIpM aspWluEyXtUpoAc+sKc+UDvP/d2rTt7GNmScFLN+N1BMFUEV/03PLF7b2OVLnpbR otuR/hMZRxpZpdxBi8YMcl7ZAOLYlHFFKW737xorPdyBl3UUZ6ke10oJX7VHS7U= =fwQQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Meet the Inventors of a 3-D Printer for Hyper-Complicated Candy | Design | WIRED

by Ibrahim Moss

FYI: Sugar high from a 3D printer? http://www.wired.com/2014/04/meet-the-couple-who-invented-a-3-d-printer-for…

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April 16th Meeting Minutes

by Jenny Ryan

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Reposted for posterity at: https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014-04-16 - -- Facilitator: Matt Scribe(lets) (note-taker[s]): tunabananas, juul, etc ==Intros== Icebreaker question: What are three words that describe your future expectations of sudo room? * jenny (tunabananas) - sudo space forever!! * marc (juul) - hack the planet! * yar - I don't know... * scott - local fun robots * ivan - write more code * daniel - planet to hack * francisco - hack the future * noemie - a lot of sudo rooms * matt - work but not * steve - innovation community revolution * chrisb - * faust - interpellation manifestation revolution * don't stop doing ==New Members== * Francisco - has experience with noisebridge, enjoyed the food at the meeting ;) ** Q: Any advice for sudo room, coming from the noisbridge community (maybe what to do or what not to do) ** A: This coommunnity is really young and really different in many ways, the enthusiasm here is very contagious, good thing to have in any kind of organization. My suggestion is to not stop doing things, push forward, you know, initiative. ==To-Do== http://pad.riseup.net/p/sudomtg Please review on your own, skipping review for meeting tonight: * find accountant, file taxes [max emailing nobawc & selc] * renew lease [waiting on landlord] * get damn debit card number already * Fix sudoroom.org/chat (irc on site) * find new calendar app * Clean up network wiring, upgrade to new Cisco switch [Daniel?] * SeltzerCRM (website & door code) [jenny?] * set up venmo [liberty?] * Stripe [jenny] ==Announcements== preferably NONE - important/urgent things only == Bug Bomb Discussion (25 min) == Responding to bug-bomb poison released by landlord * half a dozen people in the common area * george said "i'm setting off bug bombs, you have 5 minutes" * he released the canisters with everybody still there * elliot threw them in garbage cans * george tried to fight him, fell down doing it (?) * stories conflicted? * witnesses keep promising to write it down and haven't ** audio recordings? * george trying to ban elliot (a sudo member) from the building * there are photos of the bomb * instructions say "leave 24 hours before reinhabiting space" * legally needed 24 hours notice, not 5 minutes (?) * several people were in the BAPS classroom and were not even informed * people reporting skin irritations from being at sudo * another version of the story: ** george tried to grab trash can from elliot ** george tripped doing that ** there was no actual contact between george & elliot === Ed's written account === I understand the landlard entered the premises a couple of days ago and gave folks 5 minutes to evacuate before setting off several bug bombs. I'm pretty sure that kind of behavior is illegal without at least 24 hours notice. I haven't noticed much sign of non-landlord related vermin in the room, but I don't spend extended amounts of time at the space. When folks objected to this intrusion I understand that the landlord set off one or more foggers in a garbage can, which, of course, rather defeats the purpose, particularly since Elliot bravely (if perhaps foolishly) took the still fuming trash can outside, I hope he's OK. Anywho, I stopped by the room last night to drop off a bag of bread and hung around gabbing for 20-30 minutes and noticed that my exposed skin was burning & itching and my lungs felt weird. I think I suffered from contact dermatitis, I took a shower as soon as I got home and threw all of my clothes in the laundry hamper even though I'd only been wearing them for a week or two, but I'm still feeling a bit of intermittent tingling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fogger Personally, I suspect that a fair amount of the hoopla over exposure to household chemicals is overblown, even neurotic is some cases, but given the landlord's cavalier and abusive actions I surmise that he may have visited during the middle of the night and set off a large number of TRFs. Now I'm beginning to see why so many sudoers are agitating for a change of venue. Cue the music:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDo_Ub-s9U So if this has not been done yet, I recommend that all utensils and plates get washed and all surfaces get wiped down with a damp cloth. http://insects.answers.com/pest-control/diy-pest-control-how-to-use-a-bug-b… Clean Surfaces to Remove Residue Upon returning to the area it is important to properly clean the pesticide residue from all major surfaces. Counter tops, especially those that encounter food, cookware, and/or dishes, should be wiped thoroughly with warm soapy water. Carpets and rugs should be vacuumed, as should any cloth furniture that was not covered prior to fogging the area. Bedcovers, pillows, and any clothing left out during the treatment should be washed with detergent and hot water. Wood and tile floors should be swept and mopped to prevent pesticide particles from being shuffled up into the air. In the meantime, I suggest not using utensils, cups, plates, etc. without giving them a rinse first. ... Full email: https://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/2014-April/006008.html === Reasons to stay? === ** It's close to some peoples houses ;)? ** Priority one: The individual safety of our members ** Are there any alternative options? ** not having to move twice in just a few months * much better transit options in Uptown than off Temescal * Safety and health should be top priority ===Safety Vs. Convenience/Opportunities=== *How long? *"i think we should be leaving ASAP? If we can, we should." *maybe we should leave even if the omni doesn't happen ==Reboot== Sudo Reboot Plan (total: 35 min) ===Review reboot so far (5 min)=== ====cleaning==== * cleaning happened * people stopped before it was done * tool area sucks * CNC mill is fixed! * radio room needs attention so other people can use it ====fundraising==== * "we should hold some workshops and charge for them" ** who will do it? * raise the Gittip to $420/wk * still 4 days for $420 by 4/20 * outreach & messaging strategy? jenny will start this ** make infrastructure more accessible and effective (digital and physical) * more contributions to the global hackerspace community (open space iconography; labitrack inventory system, etc) ===Assess opportunities (15 min)=== * current space is too limited for current level of activity. it's about time for sudo space. * greater output, visualizing the trajectory forward (like a calendar) * descriptions of events on calendar should not be optional, same with contact point * encourage refocusing on projects when in the space (over extended socializing) * work on enabling easy access to essential tools * encourage folks to write down what skills they have and what they want to make happen (steve) ** user pages on the wiki have traditionally been used for this ** will be solved by the magic of email threads * find all of the sudo room people who don't know they're sudo room people yet * fix & upgrade sudo's network ** we need: One weekend. One or two people. One new beagle bone black. ** yar can show you what's there, doesn't know shit about networking tho ** "We can break it, together." - D. ===Create draft collective plan of action (15 min)=== Resolve dependencies: * Omni * Kicked out / new contract / move out? == The Omni & The Omni Collective (35 min)== ===The Omni Collective needs more help=== *Yar puts out a call for help as Sudo's delegate. ** New website, new pictures - mk30 has a good flickr set ** http://www.omni-oakland.org/ ** One issue is that the omni mailing list is closed and not archived ** Omni Wiki (password protection?) *** Shouldn't we value "openness over closed, proprietary processes" ** [omni-dev-public] *omnicollective(a)lists.riseup.net / omnidelegates(a)lists.riseup.net ====Proposal==== * Omni Collective should only have a public list * ALT: Omni Collective should only use the private list when absolutely necessary * ALT: Omni Collective list should have open (if moderated) subscription. Proposed potential move-in date: June 1 * Overview of 8th x Alice space * yeah it's pretty awesome ===Matt's Proposal=== * In order to resolve all baseline issues with ending our current rent agreement and entering into a new one, this proposal suggests: ** The Omni Collective finalize rental payment amounts for all members (with respect to and relative of deliniated private, public, and semi-private spaces of The Omni) in order to start collecting member collective rental contributions May 1 (early), building up money exclusively for a future lease's deposit or to each respective member collective's rental contributions (paid forward). ++ *** Omni Collective needs to move beyond the ambiguous "we're all friends" to more concrete terms of engagement ** The Omni Collective offer the following terms to the landlord for a final lease contract: *** 3-month move-out period for landlords from June - August **** During this period, the Omni Collective's member collectives are permitted to move in to the space and use both private and public spaces as they are made available through the landlord move-out, so long as these tenant activities place no substantial burden on other activities in the building. *** For the first 3 months (June - August), rent charge is waived *** For the second 3 months (September - November) 50% rent is charged to promote final build-out of space. *** Full rent is charged from month 7 (December) onward *** Lease length: 2 years (June 2014 - June 2015) * We're going to see this 3-6 month component as essential with negotiation tactics, will table for now, follow up after the next omni meeting and at the next sudo room meeting Phil: *Does our monthly nut also include collecting money for other likely expenses? **Cleaning service (daily, weekly, seasonal; inside, outside) **Paid OmniC employees (property manage **Reserves ***vacancy self-insurance (for when tenants miss payments), ***emergency repairs (like a broken elevator, leaky roof, toxic spills, plumbing, quake recovery), ***longer term building/property improvements (accessibility plan, *improving wiring and systems for higher power/data demands, upgrading kitchen to 21st century commercial standards, repaving of exterior walkways, painting/weatherproofing, industrial ventilation) *What does buildout mean here? **Wheelchair accessibility: building a ramp, maybe an elevator * Sudo is expected to share space with CCL, though this wasn't brought to sudo for formal consensus. ** "Personally, I was thinking BSL1 on the floor with SR, relatively fluid access.... although all the common space usages of SR that might be the first images you think of, will be in the common space. There probably won't be any dogs and likely fewer guitars (for better or worse)." *"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." -- Douglas Adams * Delegation to attend next Omni meeting (April 24th): ** Steve, Faust, Daniel, Matt, Jordan, Jenny, && you? (you are welcome, please join) ** Smaller committee meetings - --> Location?: *Nothing specifically has been decided wrt conflict resolution, though sudo's conlict resolution policy has been looked at for inspiration *pictures of sudoroom's potential room: ** https://twitter.com/sudoroom/status/447553118415228928 ** https://twitter.com/sudoroom/status/447553436108591105 ===Update "draft collective plan of action" from above (15 min)=== ==Consensus Items== * Omni Collective should only have a public list * ALT: Omni Collective should only use the private list when absolutely necessary * ALT: Omni Collective list should have open (if moderated) subscription. Improved proposals: * Finalize space distribution (private, public, reservable space [eg; reserving the ballroom]) i.e. a map. ** Joel (TIL) is putting together this map, to send out a version the collectives can iterate on ** "Publish early and often", get a map, then interate. * Share a financial pro forma with collective members ** #1 or #2 priority from David's POV. It's together, but on a bunch of spreadsheets and changing all the time. ** Per collective as well as omni collective costs - eg; standing funds, running expenses [utilities, property tax, insurance, etc;] ** Standing fund growing as donations come in ** Parking is an issue - help strategizing on this is welcome and encouraged *** If we get insurance for the Omni Collective from Kelly S. Wright of State Farm, Matt will get a $10 or greater gift card for the referral! (The last one went to wood glue and krazy glue, inside the space now!) * Formalize "deposits" and proposed monthly payments for collective members * Collect first and last month payments and deposit from collective members starting May 1 * Agree on rules for shared space and how we deal with behavior of members between groups ** Open question. ** Andrew encourages folks to bring proposals directly to the Omni meetings, as the groups have demonstrated a remarkable ability to come to consensus on issues *** Marc thinks this is because the really hard problems have yet to be tackled. Some people are feeling pressured as they don't have enough information available about the project. * Propose changes to communication strategy in order to construct more shadow Omni meetings? * Ask groups to itemize hard & soft requirements. ** on a wiki. ** Including e.g. minimum sqft, minimum ceiling height, need for sink, etc. * Proposal: All events sliding scale down to $0 * How do we remove a collective? ^.^ ** There will be terms and conditions under which a collective would be made to leave ** OmniC delegate consensus vote ** See https://sudoroom.org/wiki/The_Omni/2014-04-03#Ratifying_Our_Foundational_Do… * Timeline, is June 1 reasonable? ** Collectives aren't sure, looking at other options ** Landlord has another prospective tenant, a theater company? that was hold that they won't get any information from the landlord until june 1. *** NOTE: This doesn't mean we have to /move/ June 1, we have to sign /something/ June 1. * Responsibility of the spokescouncil is to focus on building consensus among the collectives ==Conflict Resolutions== ==Action Items== * Steve to start census of sudoers * Jenny to propose outreach / messaging meeting (++ hack on infrastructure) * Omni-Oakland.org needs help - better photos, wiki ==After-Meeting Teamups== * outreach and accessibility (jenny) ==Appendices== question/topic defining or identifying the 'aggressor' in a conflict is being spoken about as if it were a simple or thing to do, or even a reliable skill to learn or acquire. from personal experience i for one have not known this to be the case, and i do not think it should be assumed to be so in discussions aimed at determining protocol. concepts such as 'safe space,' or 'aggressor,' are easily compromised by the wary and/or sociopathic individual, a personality type the set of whose members overlaps not infrequently, if memory serves, with the members of the set of individuals likely to be hackerspace-friendly, computer-literate, and/or familiar with and skilled at collective philosophical, artistic, cyber-political, or socioeconomic networking in the 21c, Bay Area style - -- Jenny http://jennyryan.net http://sudomesh.org http://thevirtualcampfire.org http://technomadic.tumblr.com `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories." - -Laurie Anderson "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." -Hannah Arendt "To define is to kill. 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