22 Jul
2014
22 Jul
'14
4:13 p.m.
On 07/20/2014 02:10 AM, Matthew Senate wrote:
Sudo Room decided we would use various voting
procedures for particular
circumstances because we anticipated those issues arising and wanted to
prevent our own immobility on them. I think this can be a good idea:
Can you (or anyone) generate a simple list of all the types of decisions
the Omni Collective may consider in which perhaps a different sort of
decision procedure than consensus should be used (e.g. a vote, and
therefore some type of vote such as a super majority [some value over 50%]
or simple majority vote [50%])?
Yes! Here are some things that may need to happen and could be
threatened by a person who doesn't want it to happen, which would then
need a majority vote:
* pay rent, utilities, and other liabilities to the space
* submit legal documentation (permits, etc)
* suspensions and bans (if banned from a collective)
I think of the omni collective as those who ensure the space may be used
by the collectives and prevent conflicts when there's a disagreement
between them. I don't think of it as something that approves of
everything we do or resolves individual's conflicts.
Otherwise, I think we should be using consensus. It's not about asking
for approval to do something, its about making decisions that improve
the space for everybody. I don't want to tell anybody they can't do
anything until approved by everybody, but rather say they can do
everything but these things. Some of these things might be:
* changing the structure of the building
* restricting access to the space by changing access control
* painting common areas or removing flooring
* using the common areas when something has been scheduled
I still think we should define what it means to be a collective at the
omni. And some of that definition should require the collectives to have
a code of conduct. I most definitely agree we should be very delicate
about how we discuss and decide resolutions for these issues, especially
if we're asking everybody to agree to them and feel empowered to enforce
the decisions.
I suggested in another email (did not see this reply at first) that we
should consider allowing consensus to fail, and requiring we then table the
item for one week before a 2/3 vote (or similar) can be held, encouraging
clarity, accountability, feedback, and level-headedness.
// Matt
In my experience, when you have the option to wait for the majority
vote, that's what happens. We should enable ourselves to do things that
secure the space for all the collective by using a majority vote for
some things, but use consensus when we're creating rules that will
affect everybody. The bigger the majority, the more it demonstrates our
confidence in the decision.
I feel how we make decisions and how those decisions are enforced is
what makes this different from the rest of the world. I feel it's why
there's so much beauty in it!
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Jeremy Entwistle <jwentwistle(a)cryptolab.net
wrote:
We should pay our debts to the attorney. And we
should pay rent as
though it we were required to pay it.
But for the consensus process, I think there should be limits in place
if we're going to use majority voting. If we're going to be using
majority voting, it should only be used to secure the space for the
collectives. There was an issue at another space where they needed to
get a permit to stay open, but somebody blocked consensus and used it as
leverage. I think using majority voting should be used ONLY for issues
that would prevent us from using the space and that those things should
be defined as explicitly as possible. For instance, we could use
majority voting for suspensions or bans.
Not to mention, I think the majority should be three-fourths or
four-fifths if we're really making an exception to consensus based on an
individual with bad intentions. Also, I'm not sure why we would have a
consensus vote if we were to switch a majority vote afterwards--that's
just a majority vote.
And lastly, is anybody interested in creating a proposal for a
distributed delegates for our collective? We would vote as a collective,
but it would give our members the opportunity to raise concerns and
issues about a decision at the main meeting instead of waiting to hear
back from a delegate.
On 07/19/2014 07:53 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:
Hey sudo!
At Thursday night's Omni delegates meeting, the following proposals were
put forth and are up for discussion over the next week, to be voted on
at next Thursday's Omni meeting:
1. Paying Jesse
Jesse Palmer is the Omni's lawyer and has done a phenomenal job
helping us get to where we are now. His bill totals somewhere in the
realm of $8500, which divided among 10 collectives means Sudo would
contribute ~$850.
2. Paying an additional month of rent into a reserve
Our rent for July is free, but all collectives could pay rent for the
month of July anyway to be put into a reserve fund. I think this is a
great idea, and we have the funds for it (I believe we have ~$12,000
in the bank).
3. Revision to Consensus Process:
Thus far, the Omni Collective has made decisions using a full
consensus model. The proposal on the table is for votes to strive for
full consensus, but resort to a 2/3 majority vote if consensus cannot
be achieved. This model was recommended by Jesse, who has extensive
experience representing coops and collectives who've run into problems
with full-consensus models for hairy decisions like banning an abusive
individual or - as may be the case with us - removing particular
groups/collectives from the larger collective.
Proposal : New Voting Model
All votes called by the Delegate Council are subject to two rounds of
voting. The first round passes by full consensus. If after friendly
amendments and conversation full consensus cannot be achieved, the
vote moves to a second round which passes by 2/3 majority. If this
second vote fails to pass, the vote does not carry.
This amendment to our full consensus voting procedures is proposed in
light of advice from radical comrades and colleagues who have seen
groups and projects torn apart by bad-faith exploitation of full
consensus voting. Our group's aim and aspiration will always be full
consensus, and we will always work to make sure all voices are heard.
In all of our work and decisionmaking together, let us always be
guided by fairness, kindness, and justice.
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Please discuss any issues posed by the above proposals, make
amendments, and feel free to attend next Thursday's meeting if you'd
like to participate!
Cheers,
Jenny
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