Re: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: Re: [omni-discuss] Strange man sleeping in eyeball room

Nm. I just had to push harder. On Nov 24, 2014 8:55 PM, "Andrew Lowe" &lt;andrew(a)lostways.com&gt; wrote: > Does someone have the key to this room? It's locked. I'm here and had > planned to work in there tonight. We also need to get in there tomorrow > morning. > On Nov 24, 2014 4:47 PM, "Eske Silver" &lt;eske.silver(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> Oops, sorry, I keep forgetting to cc everyone in the thread. >> Sending this in case not everyone is getting all of the replies. >> >> ~ Korl >> >> ---------- Forwarded: >> >> Okie doke. >> So. >> I spoke the alleged permissor, and according to them, the squatter >> indeed lied about having been given the go ahead, and dropped their name by >> way of a mutual friend or somesuch situation. >> I'm also very glad to say, that my worries were hasty and misinformed. >> The squatter in question is the bald and scruffled, 40-to-50-year-old >> black man, who often hangs out on the exterior steps of the ballroom >> entryway. >> It's unclear exactly how he got in, but what is clear is that we need to >> step up our game by discussing all the ideas offered above. >> >> Now I really am going to sleep. >> >> I hope to dream that all of you are my familial elms, that our trunks >> are made of space elevators, and that our roots are made of billions of >> microscopic hedgehogs. And the hedgehogs are rowing canoes, of course. >> >> ~ Korl >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Eske Silver" &lt;eske.silver(a)gmail.com&gt; >> Date: Nov 24, 2014 3:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [omni-discuss] Strange man sleeping in eyeball room >> To: "niki" &lt;niki.shelley(a)gmail.com&gt; >> Cc: "discuss" &lt;discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org&gt;rg>, "Jenny Ryan" < >> tunabananas(a)gmail.com&gt; >> >> If the situation is what I think, I feel we ought to give as much >> support as we can to our friend. >> However, I do think we ought to be strict on our tolerance level for >> abuse of any kind; space, place, object, and of course person. >> Perhaps a breakout session is due for anyone who isn't already aware of >> how to deal with agressive or threatening people. Especially for lone >> situations. >> Perhaps we ought to even start spending ten mins of the delegates >> meeting, revisiting the table of contents of our spankin new Conflict >> Resolution guidelines, every few or four weeks? >> >> And it's semi-off-topic, but this quote really snapped me out of some >> lame situations, >> "Theres never a good reason to light yourself on fire in order to keep >> someone else warm". >> Just food for thought. >> Omni can be a place where everyone is welcome to exist, dance, hack, >> cook, heal, build, etc. But if we don't feel comfortable and safe with each >> other, that can't last long. >> >> I dunno. I'm exhausted and gufflebrained, and I've lost my train of >> thought. >> >> Good night everyone, >> Have a good day :) >> >> ~ Korl >> >> 500px.com/eskesilver >> 510.689.4484 >> On Nov 24, 2014 3:09 PM, "niki" &lt;niki.shelley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> I appreciate your consideration and compassion. >>> >>> I also want our community to be aware of potentially aggressive >>> individuals - especially if they run into them alone, in the wee hours. >>> >>> It's a delicate balance, for sure, between respecting an individual's >>> privacy and ensuring the safety of the community. >>> >>> Thanks for being so awesome, Korl <3 >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Eske Silver &lt;eske.silver(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't feel comfortable at this time describing the squatter, nor >>>> mentioning the alleged permissors name, until I've had a chance to gather >>>> info on said alleged permission. >>>> I feel that the situation is potentially an insight to a serious >>>> personal matter of one our members, and I want to make sure it's potential >>>> gravity is given due appreciation. >>>> As soon as I have the facts, I'll be sure to update the thread. >>>> But to be sure, no it was not Quickness. >>>> Thanks for your patience. >>>> >>>> ~ Korl >>>> >>>> 500px.com/eskesilver >>>> 510.689.4484 >>>> On Nov 24, 2014 2:52 PM, "Eske Silver" &lt;eske.silver(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks guys. I often stay up ll night and occasionally use the solo >>>>> hours to get work done at sudo. I came in to do my and the omnis dishes, as >>>>> well as snag some wifi to download a hardware testing software. I was >>>>> certainly not expecting to find mr. rando there. >>>>> >>>>> I think you've got it spot on. The more collaboration we have between >>>>> last-outs and first-ins, respectively, the more effective we can be. I feel >>>>> like there's too much disconnect in areas like this, and so the process is >>>>> taken for granted. But if we look at whats already been discussed, >>>>> analyzed, and implimented, it's already all there. >>>>> >>>>> Ben has been so kind as to offer to add this to the delegates agenda, >>>>> and if I can make it to the meeting I'll certainly be there. >>>>> I honestly think the key is as simple as us Omnerds acting just a bit >>>>> more in sync with eachother. How we find the best pactice of preventing >>>>> issues like this one, is just a matter of getting everyone on the same >>>>> page, really. >>>>> Hive mentality! Buddy system! Robot super brain! Gaia info waves! >>>>> Et cetera and so forth. >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> ~ Korl >>>>> >>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver >>>>> 510.689.4484 >>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 9:39 AM, "Jenny Ryan" &lt;tunabananas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> To be clear, I locked up with Marc, Matt, and Noemie last night and >>>>>> we went throughout the building asking non-members to leave and shutting >>>>>> off lights. I'm often among the last to leave with other sudoers and we >>>>>> always buddy up. Korl came back in the wee hours cuz she's a weirdo ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt wrote this thing, we should update and improve it! >>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Closing >>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 9:28 AM, "Stephen Novotny" < >>>>>> novotny.stephen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, thanks so much, Korl. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you think we could prevent this problem in the future? It's >>>>>>> going to happen more and more frequently, I'm afraid. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Partly, we'll have to be more adamant about keeping our doors >>>>>>> locked "after-hours" and being certain that folks who are coming in are >>>>>>> coming for a specific purpose and not to just linger around and sleep. >>>>>>> Also, we should probably develop a more systematic closing-up procedure >>>>>>> that must include some sort of buddy-system for closing up. It seems >>>>>>> foolish to leave one person alone to confront someone and ask them to leave >>>>>>> the space. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jenny Ryan &lt;tunabananas(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Darn, and we were so proud of getting everyone to leave and >>>>>>>> locking up Omni last night! Didn't think to check that little room, but >>>>>>>> will add it to the rounds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A good reminder for folks who leave Omni late to check in with >>>>>>>> other members before you go - it's best to coordinate leaving and lock down >>>>>>>> with a small pack of trusted friends. Thanks for taking care of this solo, >>>>>>>> Korl. It's no fun :/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hugs, >>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 5:38 AM, "Eske Silver" &lt;eske.silver(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For the record, I'm fine. >>>>>>>>> I told him what the house rule on sleeping was, that it was >>>>>>>>> unfortunate that this person gave him false information, that I hoped he >>>>>>>>> found somewhere else to go, but not to come back to Omni looking or a place >>>>>>>>> to crash. >>>>>>>>> He was a little agro, made some fuss about a few things, and gave >>>>>>>>> me a bunch of gruffy attitude, but he left on his bike. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This was no big thing, but I'd like to resolve the cause of the >>>>>>>>> situation, and also bring my concern to the table on locked doors. >>>>>>>>> The squatter had locked himself in the eyeball room, and in any >>>>>>>>> case, anyone who locks up the building, half asleep or otherwise, might not >>>>>>>>> even bother to knock. >>>>>>>>> Or if a squatter simply stayed silent, the person locking up >>>>>>>>> might very well just pass it over and chalk it up to the room being locked >>>>>>>>> by it's steward. >>>>>>>>> Basically, if we want to keep this from happening again, the >>>>>>>>> current process isn't working. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ~ Korl >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver >>>>>>>>> 510.689.4484 >>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014 5:11 AM, "Ben Burke" &lt;benjaminburke(a)me.com&gt; >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kicking out squatters at 4:30 am sounds potentially dangerous. >>>>>>>>>> Did it go ok? Did you have / do you need backup? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:27 AM, Eske Silver &lt;eske.silver(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is an older man whi has set camp in the eyeball room >>>>>>>>>> upstairs. He was quite upset when I told him he was not allowed to sleep >>>>>>>>>> here - that no one is, and that isnt what the omni is for. >>>>>>>>>> He claims hes been given permission to sleep here. I've asked >>>>>>>>>> him to leave and am now watching over while he gathers his things to leave. >>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know about this? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ~ Korl >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 500px.com/eskesilver >>>>>>>>>> 510.689.4484 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>>> discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org >>>>>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>> discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org >>>>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> discuss mailing list >>>>>>>> discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org >>>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> discuss mailing list >>>> discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org >>>> https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >>