14 Nov
2013
14 Nov
'13
6:55 p.m.
Many thanks to those taking initiative. I remain a fan of the do-ocracy.
However, when the work gets complex and the stakes get higher – e.g., when
prospecting the Omni for relocation becomes a matter of serious negotiation
– I believe the initiative ought to advance from do-ocracy to more
democratic processes.
That certainly seems to be the case playing out here, which seems
productive and wise!
love to everyone,
Danny
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Thanks for the further clarification and for your work
on this. I was
under the impression from the vague conversation I had that a commitment
was possibly being made tonight out of the notice of the group. I don't
have any concern if that's not the case.
Hey Anthony.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Thanks for the clarification and for the hard
work on making things
happen. I'll watch the list for updates in preference to getting
information on the side.
My remaining question now is whether any financial commitments will need
to be made to hold the space, even if the planned actions are not binding
sudo room to move in? And what generally are the planned actions?
There are no planned financial commitments or planned actions. Some people
from different groups have been investigating different options for sudo
room / public school / CCL to possibly expand and/or find a new space
together. The Omni is one of these spaces, and we've been trying to figure
out if it's viable by doing research and talking to the current owners. I
have been doing report-backs to sudo room and CCL at the weekly meetings
since I (and others) have been investigating The Omni. There is also
another possibly viable space in china town that CCL found but we're still
waiting to hear back from the owners with regards to pricing. This has all
been done do-ocratically without any formal decision since all we're doing
is researching potential options. When there is a concrete proposal on the
table with a monthly rent and a number of square feet and all that kind of
info, then that will be presented at the sudo room weekly meeting and
announced out on the mailing list such that we can talk about it and make a
collective decision.
I respect the desire not to get scooped on a good
deal but I hope we will
weigh this concern wisely against the need to keep decision making
participatory, and it seems at minimum the basic, broad intentions of those
undertaking negotiations on the group's behalf and what roughly is at stake
should be known to the group.
Yes, I would agree, but there are no decisions being made on behalf of
sudo room or other groups. We've simply been researching if this is viable
at all, first researching if it was possible to get a mortgage and buy The
Omni outright (that now seems less likely) and now looking at renting for
some number of years with an option to buy or extend the lease at the end.
Hopefully we'll get the last bit of info on possible move-in date and
required deposit from the landlord in the coming week, and then we can
collectively make a decision.
As you may know, we are also searching for a
space for Counter Culture
Labs, and in that case the board explicitly empowered a member to form and
lead a committee to pursue options, negotiate on behalf of the group, and
report back regularly and in a timely way on progress, options, and
decisions made or to be made. I have that example in mind as an example of
a transparent process that still lets good, urgent opportunities be seized.
I really like the fact that sudo room encourages do-acracy, as long as no
important e.g. financial decisions are made on behalf of sudo room. I don't
think anyone should have to get permission before they investigate possible
options for sudo room. On top of that I would prefer that we empower our
members to do things that they feel are helping sudo room, and trust them
to make good decision, as long as it's stuff that can be fairly easily
undone, rather than having to formally create committees.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
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Hi Anthony,
I totally hear you, sympathize, and hope to clear some things up.
The grant opportunity came up one night at sudo less than 24 hours
before the deadline. In retrospect I should have posted a callout for help
to the list, and I'll be sure to do that in the future. Rather, I simply
reached out to this in my immediate vicinity (Marc, Matt and Marina). It
would be great if folks could add to the wiki page I started at
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Funding and take the lead on initiating
applications for other grants.
The Omni space proposal was also a very rushed, tight opportunity to
secure the space with a deposit (not directly associated with sudo, and
this does not bind sudo room to the space), and while we discussed this at
general meetings (of Sudo, Public School and Counter Culture Labs), we
didn't want to publish to the highly-populated mailing list out of fear
that someone less than aligned would scoop us on the deal.
It's been less than two weeks since that opportunity arose, and we're
negotiating a way to hold the space. There will be public information
available in the next week, or you could email me off-list and I can share
more. We'll also be meeting about it on Thursday with the Public School
folks (it was they who scheduled the meeting, which I only just learned of
a few hours ago)
I've also been extremely busy and have neglected to post meeting minutes
after the meeting. I will do my best to get regular about that again
(though I cannot make tonight's meeting). Of course, anyone else attending
the meetings can also do this.
Thanks for your honesty and the reminder to be ever-more-diligent in our
transparency and inclusivity practices!
Jenny
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On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Anthony Di Franco <di.franco(a)gmail.com
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wrote:
I've been very busy and haven't made the
time to come by sudo room for
quite a while but I did last night and it was great to see familiar faces
again. I'm also looking forward to meeting the people I've only seen on the
list so far, and to congratulating people in person on all their hard work
in keeping sudo room moving forward! And to being able to participate more
in person in the future.
I've been feeling out of touch with what's going on, especially after
the drafting of the successful grant proposal. I tried searching my list
archives to see if I missed anything about organizing this and it seems I
didn't. Grant writing is something I want to learn more about and I would
have liked to participate in the process and I would have made the time to
if I had known about it. I'm still looking forward to Vicky's idea for a
grant database and to contributing to that however I can.
I have a conflict that prevents me from coming to the Wednesday
meetings and my schedule is very tight otherwise, so I've been following
the list and looking at the meeting minutes diligently to try to stay
engaged. Despite that I've been unable to gather a clear sense of what's
going on, and lately (not since early September according to my seach) I
haven't seen the minutes appear on the list at all except for last week. I
still won't be able to make it this evening, so I hope there will be
minutes to read that the whole community is informed of.
When I stopped in last night I learned in vague terms that there is an
important meeting about securing a new space at the Omni happening on
Thursday evening. If this is true, can anyone who is involved in that
inform the community via the list about what is going on, and defer a final
decision until there's broad consensus? The last I see about it from
searching the list is from October 1st.
While I appreciate the initiative and effort on the part of people
moving this forward, (though I'm not sure who they might be,) I want to
make sure that whatever decisions made that affect the whole community are
still based on informed, explicit consensus by the whole community, which
is fundamental to how sudo room works.
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