22 May
2013
22 May
'13
3:26 p.m.
Hi Daniel,
Sudo Room is committed to public access (at least that's what the website
says :-) ). One of the things that sets Sudo Room apart from Noisebridge or
AMT is that we aren't hung up on who gets access to the space. That could
change as circumstances change, but for now, new people have enjoyed being
able to come hang out without being accused of being free loaders.
My stance is similar to this:
"If these aren't tied together, I would expect it to be tied to a
counter-proposal suggesting a tiered membership system, with "gatekeepers"
being separate from normal "members""
But instead with people volunteering to be "Keymasters" and responsible for
keeping access systems running and distributing passwords, fobs, and
keycodes in accordance with Sudo Room's values.
I think it's important to keep in mind that the problem we have with
getting more people in to the space is way bigger then the problem we have
with keeping people out of the space.
What to do about membership in general? I really don't have a clue. It's a
really hard problem to solve because it doesn't seem like Sudo Room ever
really intended for membership to be all that different from
non-membership. Maybe that's a good thing? I don't know.
Also with credits, keep in mind that some people prefer to pay dues in cash
and would rather no one know how much they've contributed (an edge case, i
know, but they would not be able to participate in a Sudo Credit economy).
Just my .02 Sudo Credits,
Andrew
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol(a)gaskill.com> wrote:
i'm just going to regurgitate my suggestion that
lockers/cubbies for
secure storage be made available to members who regularly pay the suggested
donation or more. That gives an incentive beyond access; though it reduces
access to a small portion of the space for everyone else, it's quite likely
that there are some projects being stored in the communal space now (which
is everything but the cubbies which are default DNH, right?) that would be
moved to cubbies, as well as a number of projects and materials that are
taking up space and aren't being supported by their creators, dues aside.
So to the point, I think given the amount of space that is already not
available for use by everyone, it is totally worthwhile to set aside a bit
of space if it means offering the carrot or vegan donut that gets people
signed up to fiscally ensure the continued existence of sudoroom in its
entirety. A donors page would be a good carrot too! I think the credit
thing was discussed as a dividend which could be allocated to different
projects if there was a surplus (net) on a given month which wound up being
a discussion that can be put off until we fill up our standing funds, but i
think credits on gross contributions have not been discussed at any length.
cheers,
hol
May 22, 2013 01:56:53 PM, somniac(a)me.com wrote:
Thanks Marina!
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I'm glad this is already being thought about.
I personally think access
should be linked to membership because access is easily
the single most
powerful thing we have to offer/revoke, and if we're talking about
regulating anything, it should be initial, door-opening access. Guests can
always use the buzzer, but even the landlord requires we have some barrier
to first entry.
If these aren't tied together, I would expect
it to be tied to a
counter-proposal suggesting a tiered membership system, with
"gatekeepers"
being separate from normal "members". I think this is reasonable too, but
doesn't dodge the question of how these statuses are granted.
-Dan
On May 22, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Marina Kukso marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> wrote:
thanks dan! i believe that we will be discussing this extensively at the
meeting
tonight, so thanks for sharing! also, this may be something that we
should work on during this sunday's "hack the room" hackathon.
also, we are still running a straw poll about
membership and access
here: ;
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zCaEAVVjLwMrWcoPlGb09-G6bvaaiewi33FTz3OBpt… .
I hope to go over the results tonight.
- marina
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Daniel Finlay somniac(a)me.com> wrote:
door.sudoroom.org looks great, but what's the
password?
The answer certainly relates directly to the
"who is a member?" question,
as well as what special privileges
membership entails.
I know I've not been a very active participant
in these discussions, so
forgive me if I am treading on a well-worn path, but it
seems like we need
some brainstorming on this issue, so here's my first knee-jerk concept.
First of all, coming from an access perspective
let me just lay out:
Membership benefits (minimum): 1. The knowledge of the door code.
2. A vote when
revoking membership status.
The next obvious question is how membership is
granted. I feel the
current Articles of Association are slightly ambiguous here,
because they
do not specify whether BOTH criteria are required (paying dues and good
standing), or EITHER:
https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#Section_2.1_Qualification…
This is a touchy subject, especially because there
is a good deal of
"what is money?" and "alternative
currencies!" enthusiasm around the space,
while we still pay our rent in USD. I will now lay out a doubtlessly
controversial, half devil's-advocate, probably flawed, but I hope at least
novel system for distributing membership beyond fiscal donation alone.
Here is "SudoCredit Proposal 0.0.1":
A system of Sudo-Room Credit. Sudo Credit is initially tied directly to
dollars
donated to Sudo Room, ie, a member who has paid $60 a month for 10
months has some factor of 600 sudo credits.
In addition to buying sudo credits from sudo room,
a person can earn sudo
credits by hosting workshops, donating goods, basically
anything that gets
people with sudo credits to award some of their credits to that person.
People with large contributions to sudoroom (ie
lots of sudo credit)
would have the option of being deified with pictures
proportional to their
credit on a donors page of the sudo site, linking to their member page.
Since this leads to an inflationary economy, we
may want some kind of
sudo-credit re-uptake. Maybe pay credits to open the door,
or something
else.
I know we have some currency geeks in here,
I'm curious what people would
think of having an alternative currency to help
distribute membership
opportunity, while clarifying membership requirements.
Just some thoughts, since access & membership
seem like muddy concepts
that need clarification. I know there will be some
resistance simply
because it's so tightly tied to financial donation, but at the very least I
hope those people will admit it's more egalitarian than a purely fiscally
derived membership system.
-Dan
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