18 Jan
2015
18 Jan
'15
11:09 a.m.
Sitemod:
Can we make it so it's not burried? Not necessarily on the front page, but
somewhere intuitively easy to find?
~ Korl
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510.689.4484
On Jan 18, 2015 10:32 AM, "niki" <niki.shelley(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Why not just make a new page on the omnicommons.org
wiki?
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Eske Silver <eske.silver(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks Jenny.
We most definitely should have a place for all of these incidents to be
available, that's more easily accessible to everyone.
Maybe we can simply adapt our own format of the ban page from
NoiseBridges site? Sone kind of wiki page where all of this info can be
housed. For our own FYI and the consolidation of interactions (would
definitely help with miscomms and clarifications like those above), but
also for public awareness (STP.org has had really good response from a
similar "Untrustworthy People" page).
It could also be a good tool for mediation; for parties involved to be
able to see incident testimony, etc.
Shouldn't be too dificult to set up, right?
To start, I can write up a full testimony of my interaction with drunky,
and already have a copy involving the 4am-squatter* in the sudomtg
archives. I know there are a few other testimonies in there, as well.
Should I rewrite this as a new thread to omni discuss? What else do we
have in place, so far, along these lines (besides sudo ban wiki, etc).
Perhaps the most accessible version of this could be a direct-link via
the front door terminal (anyone know why it's sitting idle in Sudo?).
~ Korl
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On Jan 17, 2015 4:37 PM, "Jenny Ryan" <tunabananas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Point of clarification:
The drunk who jimmied the lock came back for the weekend-long fundraiser
kickoff. Marc informed him that he was not allowed in the space, and he got
upset and wouldn't leave. We called all hands on deck and surrounded him
but he still wouldn't leave. Then Elliot came along, grabbed him by the
shoulders, and threw him out the door.
He apologized afterwards and said something to the effect of, "that
guy's a total asshole and was just going to waste our time."
On 01/17/2015 02:40 PM, David Keenan wrote:
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Hmm...
Then there was a second incident, because I did get confirmation that
Elliot 'walked out' a guy who jimmied open the door with a knife - I
got
that confirmation from the person who was walked
out and yelled at me
about
it, so I'm pretty sure that happened..
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, niki <niki.shelley(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I never heard about this incident.
>
> Can we create a place to report these kinds of things - maybe a
separate
> list.
>
> I think it's important that the community is alerted when stuff like
this
> happens.
>
> Did I miss something, maybe? Sorry!
>
> N
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Eske Silver <eske.silver(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Elliot was not involved in the incident where I interacted with the
>> intoxicated person who had a knife in the door, and was verbally
abusive.
>> I enjoy the telephone game, same as
anyone, but it seems this is one
>> story worthy of clarification.
>> The drunky, Pidgeon, Noah, one other sudoer, and I were there.
>>
>> ~ Korl
>>
>> 500px.com/eske
>> 510.689.4484
>> On Jan 16, 2015 4:59 PM, "Ryan" <yandoryn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sudo's meetings are at the same time, the same place, every week.
>>> Wednesday, 7 pm, Sudo Room.
>>>
>>> Matt just said that he's going to bring it up at the next meeting.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:55 PM, joseph liesner <blue393(a)lmi.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I was corrected for calling Elliot my comrade I
>>>> thought well I don't know, yet, what happened with them
>>>> so sould I trust others (as I have been advised to in the past)
>>>> and no longer consider them a comrade. It didn't feel right;
>>>> and I think that is why his banning feels so strange to me.
>>>> Then, finally, at post # 24 DK adds some important specifics.
>>>> So I am requesting that the Sudoroom meeting where Elliot' s
>>>> banning is discussed be announced on Discuss well in advance of
>>>> it's happening.
>>>> Tahnks
>>>> joe
>>>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Eske Silver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sent this a couple days go, but I forgot to hit 'reply all':
>>>>
>>>> True, though, that we have parted ways with members, and guests,
for
>>>> less than [multiple physical
incidents?] - comrade or not.
>>>> While case-by-case is my prefered language, I also always stand
by a
>>>> Zero Tolerance for abuse toward
another loving being.
>>>>
>>>> From what I've read, this seems the logical mean answer:
>>>> For the sake of Safer Spaces, let's ask that Elliot appreciate a
>>>> request that they take leave, until we find a resolution...
>>>> For the sake of nuance and case-by-case, I'd bet we could find
someone
>>>> who's known Elliot for a
handful of human time increments, who
would be so
>>>> kind as to reach out to Elliot.
This person might then glean
what's going
>>>> on with Elliot, and how he feels
we (all) should/can procede with
these
>>>> issues.
>>>> Then, for the sake of precident, if Elliot is willing and able,
we can
>>>> follow the guide and set on to
conflict resolution...
>>>> The rest is (in theory) easy, I'd say.
>>>>
>>>> Any edits?
>>>>
>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>
>>>> ~ Korl
>>>>
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>>>> 510.689.4484
>>>>
>>>>
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