15 May
2014
15 May
'14
11:31 p.m.
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
thanks and apologies that i haven't had a chance
to be a part of this
discussion until now. i have a few questions:
- re: "What are you excited about hacking at sudo room?" & "What are
you
excited about sharing with sudo room?" i wonder what effect seeing these
questions on the application would have for someone who's really new to the
world of hacking and/or someone who might not identify as a hacker (ie,
someone who would consider themselves a "beginner" or "just learning"
- as
many of our members, including myself, do). like if you're not sure what
you're interested on hacking...or if you're not sure what you have to share
with sudo room. is anyone else concerned that these questions might be
intimidating to newcomers? (i ask this genuinely). also, what happens if a
prospective member puts on their application "i don't know" or
"i'm not
sure" for these questions? would that affect their application?
That's a good point. Maybe we could provide examples of other people's
answers and state that it's totally ok if you feel like you don't have a
lot to share but that the idea is for people to show their intent to
contribute to the community. We can also remove the list of questions from
the articles of association and simply reference an "introduce yourself"
form that we can keep on the wiki and improve as needed?
this leads to my second question:
Under "initial pondering" it says "#** The intent is for it to be very
easy for new members to join, so only very serious concerns should be
brought up." what would a "serious concern" be? also there isn't
really any
indication like..what the yes/no on a person's membership request is based
on. does the content of what people put in their application matter?
The idea is that we use our best judgment as a community and discuss as
needed. We left out a definition of what serious concerns would be because
anyone should be able to bring up any concerns that they feel are serious
and then the community decides if they're serious enough based on available
information. Basically we trust the community to make good decisions on a
case by case basis.
finally, what do folks think is gained by the hacking
& sharing q's? do
you think that you wouldn't get enough information from "what is your
pseudonym/name" and "why do you want to be a member of sudo room?"
I feel like it's important that people realize that they are expected to
contribute to sudo room. That it's not just about what they want out of
sudo room. I think we should make that explicit somehow. Maybe we can make
it friendlier?
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
These are the proposed changes brought up at the
current sudo room
meeting. We will attempt to consense on this at the sudo room meeting on
Wednesday the 21st of May at 7 pm in sudo room.
===Section 2.1 Qualifications for Membership===
[...]
* Successfully completing the process for becoming a member, below:
====Section 2.1.0 Process for becoming a member====
#'''Declaration of Intent to Join'''
#* To become a member, a person must submit a brief written or spoken "Declaration
of Intent to Join" where they answer the following questions:
#** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
#** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
#** What are you excited about hacking at sudo room?
#** What are you excited about sharing with sudo room?
#'''Initial Pondering'''
#* It is only possible to become a member at the weekly sudo room
meeting. Prospective members should attend if possible but can submit a
written declaration if they are not able to attend in person.
#* At the sudo room weekly meeting, every prospective member must leave
the room while the existing members have a chance to bring up any concerns
or reasons why the prospective member(s) should not be allowed
membership (referred to as the "Initial Pondering").
#** The intent is for it to be very easy for new members to join, so
only very serious concerns should be brought up.
#** If any existing member objects to a prospective new member becoming
a member, and this cannot be resolved through discussion, then the
prospective member will not be allowed membership.
#** Unreasonable or frequent blocking of new members by an existing
member is grounds for immediate termination of membership based on a 2/3
vote.
#* Upon completing the "Initial Pondering", such prospective members
must be communicated to the sudo room mailing list within 24 hours,
including their "Declaration of Intent to Join".
#'''Extended Pondering'''
#* After the Initial Pondering, if there are no objections, there will
be one week for sudo room members to raise objections as to why the
prospective member should not be allowed to join (referred to as the
"Extended Pondering").
#* If there are no objections raised during the "Extended Pondering", the
prospective member will become a member.
#** The intention is to provide sufficient time to ensure all concerns of
those unable to attend the meeting may be heard.
#* The new member will be added to the membership list and given access
to desired and relevant assets and services of sudo room.
#* No announcement of this change of status after the "Extended
Pondering" is necessary.
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