31 Oct
2013
31 Oct
'13
3:01 p.m.
Doesn't mailman have a feature where a user can be put into moderation?
Separate from the whole list being moderated.
Rachel1.0 (lurker with a bit of list management experience)
On 10/31/13 1:36 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
Perhaps we can institute a "TRO-l bloc"
action, with priorly agreed upon
parameters.
Law folks call stopping someone from doing something before everyone's
gotten a chance to get a good handle on what's going on, most
importantly a judge - a temporary restraining order (TRO) or preliminary
injunction. So TRO-listserv (or TRO-l) could have some settled upon
period and parameters by which it can be instituted without
consensus-taking. When talking about speech and code though, the rise of
(usually entertainment) company calls for shutting down websites
immediately amounts to "Prior Restraint" - which often seems draconian
especially to free speech/open culture advocates. The standard for doing
something that would amount to a prior restraint would then be stricter
for an action to be taken and require more checks and balances as a result.
Excuse the long-winded way about it - but I think this lens helps me at
least tease out what may have been bothering some people on the list
about how action was taken in solving the problem.
Not sure how Holacracy! deals with it yet. And unfortunately not going
to be able to make this next workshop they're hosting.
On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas(a)gmail.com
<mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com>> wrote:
For the record, the action was taken by three
people - myself, Matt,
and Marc when we were at sudo late last night working on things (such
as this weekend's event). All three of us have access to the listserv
and regularly moderate the bounces, mailman errors, etc. Matt sent
Giovanni a private email informing him that he'd been removed from the
list.
I entirely support the suspension of someone who's not only been
spamming the list, but has been defacing Noisebridge's wiki and
posting messages such as the following:
https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-October/0398…
Banning someone from a mailing list is *not* the same as banning them
from the physical community; it's a preservation mode so we don't
receive a bevy of heartbreaking unsubscribe requests. And we are also
hoping people can come together this weekend and support Sudo Room in
person - though many of you may have missed those posts in the barrage.
Jenny
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On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Lovelle Mixon <sudoroom(a)ilovebeer.ca
<mailto:sudoroom@ilovebeer.ca>> wrote:
Running a listserv is a completely thankless job.
You're just witnessing how giovanni_re/john fastmail/john/john
regan works. I don't think
he's a bad person. He's not assaulting anyone. He is genuinely
excited about computers
and Linux and communities and free software. His usual mode is he
joins a free culture/
community/open source software community mailing list, and then
every few months or so
starts cross posting interesting links or forwarding emails from
one list to the other,
no editing, just WHAM here read email from this other place, not
realizing that if someone
wants to read email from the other mailing list, they would just
JOIN that mailing list,
no need to forward it. He's been doing this for over 10 years.
He'll be doing it
long after sudoroom is gone.
You usually don't notice what's happening because he's on a LOT of
mailing lists, and annoying
each of the mailing lists is a lot of work, so he doesn't get
around to forwarding stuff
to your mailing list until about a month in the cycle.
Sometimes he gets super excited about something ( RADIO! ) and
starts concentrating on
your particular community, and boom you get the 10 emails in 1
hour problem you just saw.
Unknown how to properly deal with him. People don't join his list
BerkeleyTIP so he feels
the need to branch out. Personally, I think it would help if he
fixed the links on his site
that are broken and updated and are over 4 years old now. That
would be a great start.
John, you have a perfectly good wiki over on BerkeleyTIP. You
could update it with spectrum FCC
radio announcements. You've been trying to get inspire
Noisebridge and Sudoroom to grab
some spectrum of their own. Getting your website in order would
be a good start.
Best
Lovelle
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