14 May
2014
14 May
'14
11:22 p.m.
ah yes, I think the idea for that was to generally side on not specifying
too narrowly, but instead to use "human judgment over automation and
efficiency" and cultural protocol to navigate it. I think "serious issues"
is a metric we are giving to future sudo room members in order for them to
weigh heavily whether some issue that potentially prevents a member from
joining is in fact of a "serious" nature. I'm of the disposition this means
something that conflicts directly with sudo room's values and the articles
of association.
I actually think this process could be fairly easy to go through that
doesn't need to be very intimidating. At the meeting tonight, everyone was
in favor of putting time into implementing a better experience for new
members so that this policy is clearly outlined and available in multiple
formats (paper, on the website, etc)
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
thanks matt. i like both of the changed wordings that
you've suggested.
i'd be happy with either version.
still wondering about the second issue - what "serious issues" might be
and what the criteria are that the group would vote people up or down on.
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Phil,
I think nothing in this policy *prevents *tele-presence, in fact, I
think it would be prudent for a prospective member to, at the very least,
offer to attend the meeting virtually if they cannot be physically present.
Either way, the only requirement is the prospective member submits
something concrete, in writing (format unspecified, so digital text seems
fine).
Marina,
I have no strong feelings about the exact phrasing, I think those
questions were carried over from Jake's original(ish) proposal, maybe?
Marc, do you know where those questions came from?
I do like the idea of asking questions to get three kinds of responses:
1. A response about why they are interested, leaving the opportunity for
setting some context to joining.
2. A response about what specifically they want to do (commonly folks
have particular projects or uses in mind as they get involved with sudo)
2. A response about specifically how they see themselves contributing to
the community, as giving some sort contribution *is* an expectation, but
extremely open / liberal. I think "share" is a great term to express this.
I have no reason to think we should hang on to the question about
"hacking" in particular, maybe alternatives:
#** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
#** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
#** Do you happen to have something in mind that you would like to do at
sudo room?
#** Do you happen to have something in mind that you would like to share
with the sudo room community?
That being said, I'd also be happy with the truncated version:
#** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
#** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
// Matt
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
thanks and apologies that i haven't had a
chance to be a part of this
discussion until now. i have a few questions:
- re: "What are you excited about hacking at sudo room?" & "What are
you excited about sharing with sudo room?" i wonder what effect seeing
these questions on the application would have for someone who's really new
to the world of hacking and/or someone who might not identify as a hacker
(ie, someone who would consider themselves a "beginner" or "just
learning"
- as many of our members, including myself, do). like if you're not sure
what you're interested on hacking...or if you're not sure what you have to
share with sudo room. is anyone else concerned that these questions might
be intimidating to newcomers? (i ask this genuinely). also, what happens if
a prospective member puts on their application "i don't know" or
"i'm not
sure" for these questions? would that affect their application?
this leads to my second question:
Under "initial pondering" it says "#** The intent is for it to be very
easy for new members to join, so only very serious concerns should be
brought up." what would a "serious concern" be? also there isn't
really any
indication like..what the yes/no on a person's membership request is based
on. does the content of what people put in their application matter?
finally, what do folks think is gained by the hacking & sharing q's? do
you think that you wouldn't get enough information from "what is your
pseudonym/name" and "why do you want to be a member of sudo room?"
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
These are the proposed changes brought up at the
current sudo room
meeting. We will attempt to consense on this at the sudo room meeting on
Wednesday the 21st of May at 7 pm in sudo room.
===Section 2.1 Qualifications for Membership===
[...]
* Successfully completing the process for becoming a member, below:
====Section 2.1.0 Process for becoming a member====
#'''Declaration of Intent to Join'''
#* To become a member, a person must submit a brief written or spoken "Declaration
of Intent to Join" where they answer the following questions:
#** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name?
#** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room?
#** What are you excited about hacking at sudo room?
#** What are you excited about sharing with sudo room?
#'''Initial Pondering'''
#* It is only possible to become a member at the weekly sudo room
meeting. Prospective members should attend if possible but can submit a
written declaration if they are not able to attend in person.
#* At the sudo room weekly meeting, every prospective member must
leave the room while the existing members have a chance to bring up any
concerns or reasons why the prospective member(s) should not be
allowed membership (referred to as the "Initial Pondering").
#** The intent is for it to be very easy for new members to join, so
only very serious concerns should be brought up.
#** If any existing member objects to a prospective new member
becoming a member, and this cannot be resolved through discussion, then the
prospective member will not be allowed membership.
#** Unreasonable or frequent blocking of new members by an existing
member is grounds for immediate termination of membership based on a 2/3
vote.
#* Upon completing the "Initial Pondering", such prospective members
must be communicated to the sudo room mailing list within 24 hours,
including their "Declaration of Intent to Join".
#'''Extended Pondering'''
#* After the Initial Pondering, if there are no objections, there will
be one week for sudo room members to raise objections as to why the
prospective member should not be allowed to join (referred to as the
"Extended Pondering").
#* If there are no objections raised during the "Extended Pondering", the
prospective member will become a member.
#** The intention is to provide sufficient time to ensure all concerns
of those unable to attend the meeting may be heard.
#* The new member will be added to the membership list and given access
to desired and relevant assets and services of sudo room.
#* No announcement of this change of status after the "Extended
Pondering" is necessary.
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