Re: [sudo-discuss] Proposed changes to the articles of association

thanks matt. i like both of the changed wordings that you've suggested. i'd be happy with either version. still wondering about the second issue - what "serious issues" might be and what the criteria are that the group would vote people up or down on. On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: > Phil, > > I think nothing in this policy *prevents *tele-presence, in fact, I > think it would be prudent for a prospective member to, at the very least, > offer to attend the meeting virtually if they cannot be physically present. > Either way, the only requirement is the prospective member submits > something concrete, in writing (format unspecified, so digital text seems > fine). > > Marina, > > I have no strong feelings about the exact phrasing, I think those > questions were carried over from Jake's original(ish) proposal, maybe? > Marc, do you know where those questions came from? > > I do like the idea of asking questions to get three kinds of > responses: > 1. A response about why they are interested, leaving the opportunity > for setting some context to joining. > 2. A response about what specifically they want to do (commonly folks > have particular projects or uses in mind as they get involved with sudo) > 2. A response about specifically how they see themselves contributing > to the community, as giving some sort contribution *is* an > expectation, but extremely open / liberal. I think "share" is a great term > to express this. > > I have no reason to think we should hang on to the question about > "hacking" in particular, maybe alternatives: > > #** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name? > #** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room? > #** Do you happen to have something in mind that you would like to > do at sudo room? > #** Do you happen to have something in mind that you would like to > share with the sudo room community? > > That being said, I'd also be happy with the truncated version: > > #** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name? > #** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room? > > // Matt > > > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: > >> thanks and apologies that i haven't had a chance to be a part of >> this discussion until now. i have a few questions: >> >> - re: "What are you excited about hacking at sudo room?" & "What >> are you excited about sharing with sudo room?" i wonder what effect seeing >> these questions on the application would have for someone who's really new >> to the world of hacking and/or someone who might not identify as a hacker >> (ie, someone who would consider themselves a "beginner" or "just learning" >> - as many of our members, including myself, do). like if you're not sure >> what you're interested on hacking...or if you're not sure what you have to >> share with sudo room. is anyone else concerned that these questions might >> be intimidating to newcomers? (i ask this genuinely). also, what happens if >> a prospective member puts on their application "i don't know" or "i'm not >> sure" for these questions? would that affect their application? >> >> this leads to my second question: >> >> Under "initial pondering" it says "#** The intent is for it to be >> very easy for new members to join, so only very serious concerns should be >> brought up." what would a "serious concern" be? also there isn't really any >> indication like..what the yes/no on a person's membership request is based >> on. does the content of what people put in their application matter? >> >> finally, what do folks think is gained by the hacking & sharing >> q's? do you think that you wouldn't get enough information from "what >> is your pseudonym/name" and "why do you want to be a member of sudo room?" >> >> >> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote: >> >>> These are the proposed changes brought up at the current sudo >>> room meeting. We will attempt to consense on this at the sudo room meeting >>> on Wednesday the 21st of May at 7 pm in sudo room. >>> >>> ===Section 2.1 Qualifications for Membership=== >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> * Successfully completing the process for becoming a member, below: >>> >>> ====Section 2.1.0 Process for becoming a member==== >>> >>> #'''Declaration of Intent to Join''' >>> #* To become a member, a person must submit a brief written or >>> spoken "Declaration of Intent to Join" where they answer the >>> following questions: >>> #** What is your (pseudo)nym and/or name? >>> #** Why do you want to be a member of sudo room? >>> #** What are you excited about hacking at sudo room? >>> #** What are you excited about sharing with sudo room? >>> #'''Initial Pondering''' >>> #* It is only possible to become a member at the weekly sudo room >>> meeting. Prospective members should attend if possible but can submit a >>> written declaration if they are not able to attend in person. >>> #* At the sudo room weekly meeting, every prospective member must >>> leave the room while the existing members have a chance to bring up any >>> concerns or reasons why the prospective member(s) should not be >>> allowed membership (referred to as the "Initial Pondering"). >>> #** The intent is for it to be very easy for new members to join, >>> so only very serious concerns should be brought up. >>> #** If any existing member objects to a prospective new member >>> becoming a member, and this cannot be resolved through discussion, then the >>> prospective member will not be allowed membership. >>> #** Unreasonable or frequent blocking of new members by an existing >>> member is grounds for immediate termination of membership based on a 2/3 >>> vote. >>> #* Upon completing the "Initial Pondering", such prospectivemembers must be communicated to the sudo room mailing list within 24 hours, >>> including their "Declaration of Intent to Join". >>> #'''Extended Pondering''' >>> #* After the Initial Pondering, if there are no objections, there >>> will be one week for sudo room members to raise objections as to why the >>> prospective member should not be allowed to join (referred to as the >>> "Extended Pondering"). >>> #* If there are no objections raised during the "Extended >>> Pondering", the prospective member will become a member. >>> #** The intention is to provide sufficient time to ensure all >>> concerns of those unable to attend the meeting may be heard. >>> #* The new member will be added to the membership list and given >>> access to desired and relevant assets and services of sudo room. >>> #* No announcement of this change of status after the "Extended >>> Pondering" is necessary. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sudo-discuss mailing list >> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >> https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss >> >> >