22 Jan
2014
22 Jan
'14
2:57 p.m.
This is awesome. Thanks Eddan! I will gratefully read what you've forwarded.
Re: speaking on behalf of groups, I appreciate your caution. I should have
been more clear, my effort here is specifically not to speak on behalf of
this or that group. Im seeking only to deliver an argument pure and
simple about the negatives of the DAC specifically into the hands of people
in local govt so they can make use of it themselves, in other words, enable
them to articulately represent their own personal interest with
regards remediating this issue, and specifically not get caught up in the
politics of representation or who all is for or against, which can
get sticky to say the least.
Regarding the juridical sphere, review there is of course entirely germane,
but what im hoping to produce is not a legal brief but more like a
3-5page policy position against the DAC in layman's terms: A summary of the
project, its glossed-over overreach, and its unanswered questions in ways
that are moral-political (youll be collecting far more info on everyday
folks than youre inferring, and this is wrong) and legal (this abridges our
specific constitutional legal right and/or state/local laws in x ways).
I had no doubt that discussions were already under way amongst all manner
of groups attuned to the precarious state of civil liberties, and so im
excited to be able to join in on the conversation and do what i can to
contribute. This being but one way. This is not a collaborationalist
posture, simply a pragmatic one in my view, and one of many
equally-effective approaches we have at our disposal -
looking forward,
david
On Wednesday, January 22, 2014, eddan.com <eddan(a)sudoroom.tv> wrote:
Additionally, in regards to speaking on behalf of
these groups - I would
recommend looking into the limitations and reporting requirements for
political lobbying for traditional 501(c)(3)s like Sudo Room & BAPS -before
proceeding too far, especially with the status pending.
sent from eddan.com
On Jan 22, 2014, at 11:53 AM, David Keenan <dkeenan44@gmail.com<javascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'dkeenan44(a)gmail.com');>>
wrote:
eddan,
thank you for this! i will come to sudo tonight. Is the meeting at 6:30,
or what is the time?
What is needed are white papers against the dac, that set out clearly the
actual scope of the dac and stake out our position against it in
point-by-point terms at the level of moral-political logic. Does anything
like that exist?
Showing up at public comment at council meetings is fine, but frankly at
the same time the attitudes of some at public comment also has had a
tendency to just piss off the various people in govt who are also against
the dac and mostly ignore the content. These people, various aides and
such, who really are on our side, need be able to articulate arguments
against the dac in a noncombative manner, that can be framed in a language
that isnt polemical or too emotional but simply sensible.
Im going to start a working group / class out of baps on this also -
best,
david
david
On Wednesday, January 22, 2014, eddan.com <eddan(a)sudoroom.tv> wrote:
Hi David & Sudo folk -
Just wanted to remind folks that the Oakland Privacy Working Group
(meeting tonight at Sudo Room) has been trying to coordinate a robust and
effective response to the Oakland DAC funding in this crucial several week
window at the City Council.
It is of course important for everyone who's willing to work to try and
stop this to do what they can. It might be helpful though to make sure
coordination is taking place so that one part of our collective effort
isn't seen as legitimizing a process we are trying to shut down by
supporting it through fixing it.
Subscription to the listserv is at
oaklandprivacyworkinggroup-subscribe(a)lists.riseup.net. It would also be
great if you could support the petition at
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-mayor-and-city-council-of-oakland-ca-do…
continue spreading the word.
For those interested, there is also a meeting of the League of Women
Voters on this topic tonight (
http://www.lwvoakland.org/VOTER-January-2014.html). There will also be an
event of relevant interest in Berkeley tomorrow night (
https://www.eff.org/event/nsa-surveillance-and-our-almost-orwellian-state
).
-Eddan
On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 at 6:55 PM, David Keenan wrote:
Hey guys,
a friend of mine who works for the ci