How does a housing conflict supersede use of a shared space? There are two sides to this
story, please remember this in any decisions made.
Best,
Scott R. Edmonds
Mobile: 1-510-928-3469
On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Johnny
<mostmodernist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
LOL So in addition to being pre-judged and convicted by a kangaroo court of 4 sudoers at
last week's meeting, I must also watch what words I used to express myself in defense
of public accusations? Well, then, add patriarchal to fascist and supremacist tendencies,
ye saviors of the oppressed!
let's take it step by step:
* 4 sudoers banned me without process or quorum, using superseding powers, just like
fascists do
* my privacy with regard to claims made has been violated
* sudo room's own process has been hijacked, which was supposed to provide me with
presumption of innocence and a few "rights", and the pretense of good will; and
an actual process of resolution via mediation
* I can't speak freely without repudiation and judgement
But you can't take some words? Have a middle finger then!
Thanks to your protocol, I have to absorb a continuation of a year's worth of
harassment and abuse from lesley, now in public spectacle form, with accusations to
supposed peers. Same shit, different levers. I'm being called all kinds of things
here in this thread still, but I can't state I think some people's behavior is
fascist and still expect fairness? Okay then!
Ya'll know zero facts, and aren't even listening to one who has had firsthand
experience with this conflict. There was zero evidence of unsafe behavior, or danger, to
anybody. The information disparity you are acting on is beyond reproach, and is causing
acute lunacy. Has anybody from last week's meeting even spoke up yet? Where you at,
lil fascists?
Btw, ya'lls high-winded "support of the oppressed" would not pass muster
for many other oppressed people and communities, no matter how much you claim to protect
them; it would look and smell like the systems used by people of privilege to enact
continued systemic oppression, even while being oblivious to it.
I do not have any desire to take part in mediation where I am straight jacketed while
"the process" is manipulated by the accuser and a small faction of members.
Sudo room done gave up sudo privileges when it acquiesced to the OMNI. As was noted above
by another member, fairness cannot possibly be expected by oneself such as me.
Ya'll can keep that rat in your trap.
FYI: I had to formally evict kick Lesley out of our house on account of many other
people she harassed and abused with these same tactics. In fact, more than one person
here would accuse her of sexual harassment. I guess we should have taken it up with the
high court of OMNI/sudo!
I am her target now, because I am the only one who had authority to remove her from our
house, and I did so, finally, despite our friendship, only after patiently attempting
many, many times get mediation between her and others (she refused most attempts), and
begging that she leave on her own, for the good of all. I did this with nothing but words
and oaths and sadness, even as she began turning the accusations and harassment on me.
And It was this same manipulative behavior to the landlord that precipitated my current
eviction, which has sent several people in my community, all of them as vulnerable as
lesley, running for cover elsewhere.
If ya'll want some testimony from other of lesley's victims who got it worse than
I am even now, and who can definitely not be mistaken for an able cis white male, i'll
be glad to get it to you so you know what you're defending with your so-called
process.
Perhaps then yall dummies will understand why the omni and sudo have begun looking like a
private club of privilege masquerading as the white knight for all oppressed people
everywhere. Pick one please, and stop trying to fool the good people of Oakland.
Meanwhile you're now safe-spacing an admitted and actual racist, supremacist, and
misanthrope.
And you refuse to react with reason, and haste, to this ironic and tainted breach of
process, privacy, dignity, and cooperative spirit. Gotta get back to hacking the system!
Yes, fascist is the right word. It's just right. You don't like? Eat it!
You will be judged by the society you choose to keep, not your righteous
self-identifications, proclamations, and fungible policies, despite your best intentions.
Ya'll too comfortable.
I'm not "taking this seriously", cuz that would make me ill, but I
ain't joking either. Ya'll be breathing too much of your own righteous gas to
think your notions of propriety and process are worth the trouble. Thanks for the solder.
It's on ya'll to come correct, not me. Middle finger to your
"process". I don't need lesley's harassment magnified on me by your
social club's bugged protocol. I was happy as a clam to be rid of her at last.
I'll give up all omni to be rid of one Lesley Bell. With hope that it prevents her
doing oppressed people on the outside more harm, may the OMNI become the ONLY space she
feels safe.
peace signed,
johnny
On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Marc Juul
<juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Lesley Bell
<zvezdalune(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Marina,
I appreciate your offer, and your past willingness to mediate. However, due to the
results of the past mediation, I am not comfortable having you mediate at this time.
Just to clarify: In this thread Marina was offering to act as Conflict Steward, not
mediator.
Your repeated suggestion that Johnny might just
be joking and I should reframe his insults/harassment as humor did not prove to be
helpful, as evidenced by his subsequent criminal breaking and entering and physical
assault. I also did not feel that his words in your presence were sincere, as he repeated
some of his inappropriate behavior very soon afterward.
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016, 10:56 AM Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk> wrote:
>
>
>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> aside from any other issues, i sincerely doubt that this is a game to johnny
given that he wants to participate in the space..
>>
>> let's focus on "restorative" instead of "retributive" -
johnny seems (to me) to want to follow the process in a good faith way. for anyone who is
more familiar with the omni and sudo remediation process than i am, any ideas on how to
move forward from here?
>
> Accusations are one thing but the way people choose to respond to accusations is
usually a very good predictor of whether they end up with a resolved conflict and
regaining access to the space.
>
> After Johnny's comments in this thread I predict that he will not be allowed back
any time soon.
>
>
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 7:24 AM, robb <sf99er(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> #swish?
>>>
>>> really, this is all just a game to you johnny?
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer
<patrikd(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Johnny,
>>>>
>>>> Is it true that Lesley's has a temporary restraining order against
you? That seems to rise above mere "gossip and accusations", and seems like it
would be substantial enough to trigger at least a temporary ban.
>>>>
>>>> Also, it's the nature of interpersonal conflicts that there may not
be any more than "accusations" available to make a decision on. So if someone
states that they feel unsafe around another person, it may be justified to remove that
other person from the space at least temporarily, until a better informed decision can be
reached.
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 2016 2:16 AM, "Johnny"
<mostmodernist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> that link says if "someone's safety is at risk, a temporary ban
may be placed". it says nothing about how, and obviously is meant to deal with clear
present safety issues, not gossip and accusations.
>>>>
>>>> abusing that vague apparatus of the super-system to ban people on mere
claims is totally fascist and supremacist behavior.
>>>>
>>>> defending it is also fascist.
>>>>
>>>> calling out for the record that Marc, Matt, Cere, Sigma, Jeremy are
fascists for consent to abuse system and unjustly override process without sudo quorum;
ya'll better not step on any cracks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Marc Juul <juul(a)labitat.dk>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:43 AM, Johnny
<mostmodernist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Marc,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No quorum you say? Sub-Section 3.2.2 "Maintaining Safe
Space During Conflict Resolution" states that my ban would have had to been ratified
online without quorum.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sudo room space, being part of Omni, is also subject to all Omni
rules, including the Omni safer space policy which I linked previously.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> marc/juul
>>>>
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