Re: [sudo-discuss] [Mesh] Computers for the Public Setup+ ALERTS (DNS + Speed)

public terminals, which is why I'm frustrated > and done trying to deal with them. Ryan, I couldn't find any emails to LC from you re: public terminals in the space. I'm very sorry if I missed something or perhaps there were non-digital communications that did not bear fruit. I'm not in a position to make any decisions with regards to this, just wanted to make it clear that I was not in any way intentionally ignoring any inquiries from you in the past! I hope everyone can come to an agreeable solution. <3 N On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > This was well before they were taking a hiatus, unfortunately. But if > they're not going to be open for a significant amount of time, I think it's > reasonable to just find a space and if they decide it's not functional when > they open, we can reevaluate from there. > > I'm also concerned about folks using the computer if it's available, > rather than going upstairs, but I'm just really concerned about walking > folks who can't go upstairs. > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 5:58 PM, max b &lt;maxb.personal(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> We don't have a ton of laptops. We have a ton of netbooks. While that >>> wouldn't be a problem in most cases for something like this, the smaller >>> keyboard would be problematic for some users with mobility or coordination >>> issues. >> >> >> Ok gotcha. We do have a handful of usb keyboards that we could set up to >> stay connected to one of the netbooks. Or we could use the laptop that >> Uprising has mentioned they're going to bring over. >> >> I think that Lubuntu probably has the same accesibility features, but >> I'll double check. >> >>>> public terminals, which is why I'm frustrated and done trying to deal with >>> them. >> >> >> Yeah and it does seem like they're taking a "hiatus". Perhaps we could >> just move forward with what we see as a decent plan and assume that we'll >> all be ok with eachother moving forwards in good faith. >> >> The average desk/table is about the right height for a wheelchair user, >>> so I'm confused as to why we'd need to have it brought down or use a >>> standing desk. >> >> >> The only reason that Daniel and I were considering a folding down option >> was to discourage folks from using it as a default instead of walking >> upstairs to the terminals. It seems that people are sometimes drawn to the >> closest monitor, and so they might be just immediately drawn to a computer >> setup in La Commune. But just a thought. >> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> We don't have a ton of laptops. We have a ton of netbooks. While that >>> wouldn't be a problem in most cases for something like this, the smaller >>> keyboard would be problematic for some users with mobility or coordination >>> issues. >>> >>> In the past, I've had trouble getting La Commune to get back at all >>> about public terminals, which is why I'm frustrated and done trying to deal >>> with them. >>> >>> I know stock Ubuntu has most necessary accessibility software. I don't >>> know if lubuntu would. I assume so. I might want to look into it more >>> deeply. >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:03 PM, max b &lt;maxb.personal(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Daniel and I were talking about maybe some sort of appropriate height >>>> desk which would be able to fold down and then up and that would have a >>>> laptop just permanently mounted to it. The somewhat obscurity of it paired >>>> with some signage mentioning that there are plenty of terminals upstairs >>>> and to please reserve this for folks who wouldn't otherwise be able to >>>> access the other terminals. >>>> >>>> We have a ton of laptops btw - they're in storage under the stairs in >>>> omni. Most of them need keyboard replacements (like $15 I think), but some >>>> of them I believe are good to go. Just need someone to set up a mini >>>> station. I would imagine it should be cleared with the La Commune folks, >>>> although I have a feeling they'd be on board. >>>> >>>> I don't have a ton of cycles to build anything like that, but I'm >>>> wondering if there's a stopgap solution that we could use - maybe just hide >>>> one of the laptops somewhere around the La Commune Desk with a notice on >>>> it? Would one of the netbooks with stock lubuntu installed on it be ok? >>>> >>>> Ryan, do you have any particular preferences for next steps? >>>> >>>> Also - I'm not super familiar with any other accessibility software, >>>> but if someone pointed me in the right direction, I think it's probably a >>>> good idea for all of our terminals to have a base set installed. >>>> >>>> >>>> Max >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> That would be so amazing. Thank you so much. >>>>> >>>>> If you could put a note on it saying that it's for accessible public >>>>> use so it doesn't immediately disappear into a project, that would be rad. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Uprising &lt;hassanfathi(a)sbcglobal.net&gt; >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Guys, >>>>>> I will dropping a laptop today around 6:PM it can be used the way you >>>>>> guys feel like it. >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 11:29 PM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't. :/ Maybe it would be better if it were a laptop that's >>>>>> somehow secured somewhere but can be put away, so it doesn't take up space >>>>>> when not being used by someone who needs it. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:08 PM, danarauz(a)gmail.com < >>>>>> danarauz(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Makes sense, Ryan. >>>>>>> So, have you found a place where we should work on? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or/and, would you like me to see if I can set the computer you were >>>>>>> using (or another) below the desk as I mentioned it to you, so that the >>>>>>> display its a better eye level? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think they should be near the entrance. If they are, they >>>>>>>> will get used instead of the ones upstairs... meaning folks who need an >>>>>>>> accessible computer won't be able to use it. Even if we put that they're >>>>>>>> reserved for people with disabilities, they'll get used first. I guarantee >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 9:31 PM, danarauz(a)gmail.com < >>>>>>>> danarauz(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you Jenny, but the credit goes to everyone who organically >>>>>>>>> participated; from building the tables and onto the final result. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ryan, I think the ideal would be to have one or two workstations >>>>>>>>> near the entrance; but if not possible, then Jenny's idea sounds the best, >>>>>>>>> imho. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good to know! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Every time I've come by, it just seems like more and more have >>>>>>>>>> accumulated over time. This just felt like critical mass, I guess. Maybe my >>>>>>>>>> timing has just been weird. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Jake &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> that's an unusual situation, brought on by some hacker not >>>>>>>>>>> putting away whatever they were playing with. usually it's just the imac >>>>>>>>>>> and a big monitor. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -jake >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Ryan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, no, there were 6 monitors over on these tables, not >>>>>>>>>>>> including the macs! >>>>>>>>>>>> Made the space really unusable for hacking. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Kelly Peng < >>>>>>>>>>>> ziqikelly(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Jake that those desk/monitor in sudo room >>>>>>>>>>>> are more >>>>>>>>>>>> for hacking, instead of for facebook/email. Ryan, the 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac and >>>>>>>>>>>> one external monitor are mine, and I can remove two of >>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow >>>>>>>>>>>> night:-)[t?sender=aemlxaWtlbGx5QGdtYWlsLmNvbQ%3D%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=3cfa33 >>>>>>>>>>>> 1d-a593-40bf-95eb-e880a6dd4008] ᐧ >>>>>>>>>>>> [kywVk6n.gif] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If they are for hacking, I would suggest they not be used >>>>>>>>>>>> for monitor storage. I'd move them myself, if I could >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2015 1:35 PM, "Jake" &lt;jake(a)spaz.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> those desks in sudoroom are for hacking, not >>>>>>>>>>>> for public facebook and email checking - >>>>>>>>>>>> that's why we put the public terminals outside >>>>>>>>>>>> sudoroom. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> i agree that there should be ground-floor >>>>>>>>>>>> accessible public terminals, but not in >>>>>>>>>>>> sudoroom (any more than there already are) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -jake >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Ryan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sitting where the Mac is in sudo, >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking these tables might be >>>>>>>>>>>> awesome for more "public use" and >>>>>>>>>>>> less "using the computers tied to >>>>>>>>>>>> other devices." I'd leave a >>>>>>>>>>>> bit of space, to make sure people >>>>>>>>>>>> have room for crafty-type stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> but there's tons of monitors >>>>>>>>>>>> sitting here anyway... I'll bring >>>>>>>>>>>> it up on Wednesday. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 7:11 AM, >>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> &lt;danarauz(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds to me; >>>>>>>>>>>> thanks! And, when you get >>>>>>>>>>>> something ready, I would try to >>>>>>>>>>>> leave early from work and meet you >>>>>>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 9:01 PM, >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I can try and do that >>>>>>>>>>>> on Monday! >>>>>>>>>>>> Weekends can be tough for me right >>>>>>>>>>>> now because I'm only supposed to >>>>>>>>>>>> leave the house 2-3 days a week a >>>>>>>>>>>> la my physical therapist. But I'll >>>>>>>>>>>> get in touch >>>>>>>>>>>> after Monday and see what I can >>>>>>>>>>>> find. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 6:30 PM, >>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> &lt;danarauz(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Weekends are much easier for >>>>>>>>>>>> me to meet you; but if needed, >>>>>>>>>>>> weekdays evening is the other >>>>>>>>>>>> option. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyhow, would you want to go ahead >>>>>>>>>>>> and take care of finding the area >>>>>>>>>>>> and of getting the okay from the >>>>>>>>>>>> corresponding collective? Then we >>>>>>>>>>>> can deal >>>>>>>>>>>> with the rest of the deets: >>>>>>>>>>>> tables, and materials, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Ryan! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:41 PM, >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Sure! I'll be in sudo by 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow, and while I'm meeting >>>>>>>>>>>> someone there to show her how to >>>>>>>>>>>> use the laser cutter, I'm sure >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll have >>>>>>>>>>>> time to help on this as >>>>>>>>>>>> well! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:25 PM, >>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> &lt;danarauz(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Accessibility. Good point >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan. >>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like to work with me and >>>>>>>>>>>> see if we can set up accessible >>>>>>>>>>>> computers at the first floor? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, and let me know, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 4:42 PM, >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan &lt;yandoryn(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Would be really cool if we >>>>>>>>>>>> could get some accessible stations >>>>>>>>>>>> for the public, rather than >>>>>>>>>>>> continuing to put them upstairs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 7:15 PM, >>>>>>>>>>>> danarauz(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> &lt;danarauz(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hellos, >>>>>>>>>>>> Good News! >>>>>>>>>>>> We now have a total of 10 new data >>>>>>>>>>>> drops at the second floor where >>>>>>>>>>>> the computers for the public are. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Four computers are already setup >>>>>>>>>>>> and ready to use. The other six >>>>>>>>>>>> are already active, so it is >>>>>>>>>>>> matter of bringing more >>>>>>>>>>>> computers to the table and set >>>>>>>>>>>> them up. >>>>>>>>>>>> The second one from the left was >>>>>>>>>>>> not booting up, and since I had a >>>>>>>>>>>> bootable USB with Debian 8 with >>>>>>>>>>>> me; well.. I installed >>>>>>>>>>>> Debian on it. User name: user >>>>>>>>>>>> Password: user Root's password: >>>>>>>>>>>> user -Feel free to modify that if >>>>>>>>>>>> one wish or if it >>>>>>>>>>>> required. I just wanted to have it >>>>>>>>>>>> running at least. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I removed all the extra >>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary and/or unsafe >>>>>>>>>>>> equipment that was there on that >>>>>>>>>>>> table. >>>>>>>>>>>> Excuse me that it was brought down >>>>>>>>>>>> to one of the tables at Sudo, but >>>>>>>>>>>> I was too exhausted that I just >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to go home. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ALERTS: >>>>>>>>>>>> DNS: At the time that I left the >>>>>>>>>>>> building, 5pm, there were some DNS >>>>>>>>>>>> issues. DNS was not resolving. >>>>>>>>>>>> Pinging Google's DNS IP 8.8.8.8 >>>>>>>>>>>> worked, but not when trying the >>>>>>>>>>>> domain name. The issue seemed >>>>>>>>>>>> intermittent. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BANDWIDTH: Also, I ran a few speed >>>>>>>>>>>> tests and they area about 20Mbps / >>>>>>>>>>>> 1.5Mbps. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Hassan, Sierk, and >>>>>>>>>>>> Francisco for your help during >>>>>>>>>>>> these three days of work. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> Help open a people-powered common >>>>>>>>>>>> space in Oakland, California! >>>>>>>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/donate >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Reading >>>>>>>>>>>> Book Cover >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> Help open a people-powered common >>>>>>>>>>>> space in Oakland, California! >>>>>>>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/donate >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Reading >>>>>>>>>>>> Book Cover >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> Help open a people-powered common >>>>>>>>>>>> space in Oakland, California! >>>>>>>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/donate >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Reading >>>>>>>>>>>> Book Cover >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> Help open a people-powered common >>>>>>>>>>>> space in Oakland, California! >>>>>>>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/donate >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Reading >>>>>>>>>>>> Book Cover >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> mesh mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/mesh >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Kelly >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Currently Reading >>>>>>>>>>>> Book Cover >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Currently Reading >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=reading_link&utm_source=email_signature> >>>>>>>>>> [image: Book Cover] >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=cover&utm_source=email_signature> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> mesh mailing list >>>>>>>>>> mesh(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>>>>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/mesh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>> Help open a people-powered common space in Oakland, California! >>>>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/donate >>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Currently Reading >>>>>>>> <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=reading_link&utm_source=email_signature> >>>>>>>> [image: Book Cover] >>>>>>>> <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=cover&utm_source=email_signature> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>> Help open a people-powered common space in Oakland, California! >>>>>>> https://omnicommons.org/donate >>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Currently Reading >>>>>> <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=reading_link&utm_source=email_signature> >>>>>> [image: Book Cover] >>>>>> <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=cover&utm_source=email_signature> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Currently Reading >>>>> <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=reading_link&utm_source=email_signature> >>>>> [image: Book Cover] >>>>> <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=cover&utm_source=email_signature> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sudo-discuss mailing list >>>>> sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org >>>>> https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Currently Reading >>> <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=reading_link&utm_source=email_signature> >>> [image: Book Cover] >>> <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=cover&utm_source=email_signature> >>> >> >> > > > -- > Currently Reading > <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=reading_link&utm_source=email_signature> > [image: Book Cover] > <https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/35215676?utm_medium=cover&utm_source=email_signature> > > _______________________________________________ > sudo-discuss mailing list > sudo-discuss(a)lists.sudoroom.org > https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss > >