Re: [sudo-discuss] [omni-discuss] physical security working group?

I am not so much about video based security as I am wanting to see more "lockup" space for members. Sudo has added these nice larger (some of them lockable if members bring a lock) containers in their space. I like this. They are larger and able to store a more reasonable sized space for "hackers". I know this is one a lot of other peoples radar as well, I just wanted to say that I care about it and have my eye out for more of these kinds of stackable secure storage solutions. -Cere On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer &lt;patrikd(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > *(psst - don't tell yar, but I think you hit Reply All ;-)* > > As far as social pressure goes - I want to make it clear that I am not > specifically advocating in favor of video surveillance. I just wanted to > better understand what the landscape of attitudes around this topic at the > Omni looks like, since I remembered this topic coming up at Sudo in the > past as well. > > Yar - is your objection specifically with video? Or would you have > similar objections if we had a motion sensor or RFID system that allowed > tracking people throughout the different rooms in the building? In this > case, there'd be no images that could be used for surveillance outside the > Omni, and it would be impossible to tell what people are doing in the > different rooms, but there would still be information on attendance and > association patterns that could theoretically be abused by a 3rd party. > > Patrik > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Stan Osborne &lt;stan(a)ana.com&gt; wrote: > >> Patrick, >> >> This messages is between you and myself, for the moment. >> >> I say we have all the resources at OMNI for building industrial >> security >> capable of earning Yar's trust. >> >> The following is cut from a friend and collaborator's CV. >> >> 5.10 Seguridad de la Información: >> RENIEC – Seminario Internacional; Seguridad de la Información >> Expositor : Msc. Stan Osborne >> Swissotel, San Isidro, Lima, PERU >> Enero 24, 25 y 26 2001 >> >> I try hard to avoid bragging, until it might be useful. RENIEC is an >> acronym for a government agency in Peru. Any adult Peruvian with a >> National ID card knows what it stands for. >> >> Let's start collecting requirements for OMNI internal secure storage, >> both physical and digital. >> >> By all means, it is to early to trust claims contained here-i. >> >> Today I'm short on time, but will have more time Sunday evening and >> hope >> to stop by then. >> >> Stan >> >> >> On Sat, December 6, 2014 2:57 pm, yar wrote: >> > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer < >> patrikd(a)gmail.com&gt; >> > wrote: >> >> Back at the old sudo location, there were a few muggings right >> outside >> >> the >> >> door. I remember there was some discussion at that time about >> under what >> >> conditions a security camera might be acceptable. E.g. using strong >> >> encryption, auto-erasing after some expiration date, and requiring >> >> multiple >> >> keys to unlock the recordings. >> >> >> >> Would those kinds of safeguards satisfy your concerns around video >> >> surveillance? >> > >> > It would take some work to get me to trust a scheme like this... and >> > it would create social pressure to accept whatever results... >> > >> >> Did Sudo ever wind up installing a security camera at the >> >> front door in the old location? >> > >> > The landlord had a video surveillance system, so it was moot. >> > >> >> PS: are there any particular security needs that La Commune needs >> help >> >> with >> >> ASAP? >> > >> > Yes, securing their books after-hours. >> > >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss(a)lists.omnicommons.org > https://omnicommons.org/lists/listinfo/discuss > >