15 Apr
2014
15 Apr
'14
5:54 p.m.
*"IE, as measured by pixels, the W<>E dimension was smaller by ~5%, and the
N<>S dimension smaller by ~2%" *
Oops - reverse these dimensions, its the N<>S that I think was smaller by
~5%, and the E<>W dimension smaller by ~2%, compared to the listed
dimensions for that room.
(Again someone might want to check my math, I dont have time for anything
other than a spot check at just this moment :)
Best,
David
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 5:44 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I really, really love that we are all working through
this together! I
cannot thank you enough. Matt and Patrik especially!
I will work up a discrete $/sqft/group spreadsheet and hopefully augmented
floorplan later when I have time.
I've seen y'alls questions and thoughts and awesome input and have not
responded back yet solely due to cognitive bandwidth constraints
(IRL-imposed DoS and physical I/O saturation.)
I'll also answer as many of the other questions I can, and work up the
formal proposal we need as well as as much of the other paperwork.
Just to let everyone know we started with what every group can afford and
around how much space is needed and when, rather than what each part of the
space is worth on its own. Both are valid and imbricated metrics -- just a
different starting place.
Also in terms of relative rents being paid per sq.ft of dedicated space, I
suspect we will find that CCL and Sudo are probably paying less rent rent
per sq.ft than everyone else, except for FNB. BAPS is probably paying the
most.
There are other metrics too to consider which is how often the space is
used.
IE ONL is paying $500/mo and they only put on a few shows (and probably a
couple rehearsals) a month. Other groups expressing interest (but not yet
in the collective) have similar needs for temporary space - ie a yoga
collective possibly, etc.
FYI Patrik, really appreciate all your work going over the $/sq.ft on the
floor plan. I love your system for measuring and checked it against the
listed (numeric) dimensions printed in the floor plan.
Measuring the interior pixel lines in your 12ppi drawing of the bocce ball
court room though in GIMP, I found that the bocce ball court room as
measured by pixels (816px x 515px) was smaller than was listed the floor
plan (I am heavily sleep deprived, so y'all correct me if I'm off.)
IE, as measured by pixels, the W<>E dimension was smaller by ~5%, and the
N<>S dimension smaller by ~2%, leading to a ~7% discrepancy in this room,
or ~208' smaller. IE, pixels measure 2918 sq.ft, listed measures 3127 sq.ft.
Not sure which is more accurate, but I'm wagering the printed dimensions
are probably the more reliable (unless someone can think otherwise?)
I noticed in your xls, you used the listed rather than pixel-measured
dimensions for the bocce ball court room. But you may want to increase your
estimation of the raised platform area by 7%, and subtract that by 3127 to
come up with the full dimensions.
Love -
David
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Marina Kukso
<marina.kukso(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
does the $1.20/sqft price work out for what every other group has
pledged and the space they're expecting?
Note that the $1.20/sqft I came up with is simply working backwards from
the $2000 someone stated CCL would be willing to pay in rent, and the size
of the Bocce court. I would not expect that to match the numbers that any
of the other groups have thrown out there, other than by complete
serendipity.
If we come up with a more rational price list, I would expect spaces in
the basement to have a lower $/sqft than the rest, and especially
attractive areas such as the corner bedroom space above the bar, or the
owner's apartment (didn't get to see that one) perhaps a bit more. There
should definitely be some sort of premium for windows vs no windows.
In addition, we'll need to work out something for groups that do not want
dedicated space. There can be different rates there too, based on how
frequently they expect to use how much of the shared space, or with how
many people. Not so we can police how the shared space is being used, but
to have at least some fair way of subdividing that big $12K rent check
we'll all need to pay every month.
Perhaps we can start by calculating how much dedicated space we are
likely to have, and what fraction of the $12K rent should come from groups
using dedicated space vs from their use of the shared space. That also
becomes a policy decision: we can encourage or discourage the use of shared
vs dedicated space by adjusting our fee structure.
Patrik
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